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Ms.Brainy - 27 Mar 2007 04:35 GMT
Can anybody tell me the Rx required to bring 20/60 visual acuity to
20/20?

Can anybody provide the formula for such translation?
otisbrown@pa.net - 27 Mar 2007 04:43 GMT
Dear Ms. Brainy,

There is no "formula" for translating a refracitve STATE to
a Snellen reading.

The best way to check would be to have your
own trial-lens kit.

Then, reading at 20/60, you would use stronger minus lenses
in -1/4 diopter steps until the 20/20 line cleared.

The APPROXIMATE value would be about -1.25 diopters,
but it could be from -2.0 to -1.0 diopters.

It is also affected by the illumination of the Snellen.

Best,

Otis

> Can anybody tell me the Rx required to bring 20/60 visual acuity to
> 20/20?
>
> Can anybody provide the formula for such translation?
Mike Tyner - 27 Mar 2007 04:45 GMT
> Can anybody tell me the Rx required to bring 20/60 visual acuity to
> 20/20?

All of these could produce roughly 20/60:

-1.00.

pl-300x180.

pl-300x045.

pl-300x135.

pl-300x090.

+2.00.

pl (with cataract)

> Can anybody provide the formula for such translation?

One formula, no.

If you know it's only nearsightness with no astigmatism, you could plot a
least-squares regression line but the scatter makes it pretty worthless.

If you know it's only farsightedness you must also factor the age.

If you measure 20/60 in dim light you probably get 20/30 in bright light.

In real life you seldom know that the problem is purely this or that, nor do
you know the test conditions, the patient's age, and whether there's any
pathology compounding the visual problem.

-MT
Salmon Egg - 27 Mar 2007 05:19 GMT
On 3/26/07 8:35 PM, in article
1174966529.365734.28170@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com, "Ms.Brainy"
<mikabrainy@gmail.com> wrote:

> Can anybody tell me the Rx required to bring 20/60 visual acuity to
> 20/20?
>
> Can anybody provide the formula for such translation?

No. The transformation to acuity is irreversible.

Bill
-- Fermez le Bush--about two years to go.
Ms.Brainy - 27 Mar 2007 06:44 GMT
I think I begin to understand...  Boy, it's more comlicated than I
have imagined!

If indeed I understand, when you mention the inability of the brain to
process disparity between the 2 eyes when it's more than 2 diopters,
you really relate only to the Rx, not to the resulted vision acuity.
Am I correct?
Dr Judy - 27 Mar 2007 15:30 GMT
> I think I begin to understand...  Boy, it's more comlicated than I
> have imagined!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> you really relate only to the Rx, not to the resulted vision acuity.
> Am I correct?

The difficulty comes largely with glasses, not contact lenses.  It has
three forms.

One, is the image size differences between the eyes.  2D to 4D is
likely tolerable and even more if long standing and the person is
adapted.  Depending on whether the power difference is due to a
difference in axial length or corneal curvature of the eyes, this
problems may also exist with contact lens wear, but is rare with
contact lenses.

Two, relates to different prism effects induced in each eye when
looking away from the optical centre.  This can be largely eliminated
by the person learning to turn their head, not their eyes when
looking.  This is a problem only with glasses, not contacts.

Three, applying only to bifocals or multifocals, relates to vertical
prism induced when looking down to read.  This can be made tolerable
by special grinding of the lens during manufacture. This is a problem
only with glasses.

If the two eyes have quite different best corrected acuity (even if
the Rx in each eye is the same) due to disorders like cataract,
macular disease or amblyopia, then vision with both eye looking may be
reduced compared to that of the better eye due to processing problems
in the brain.  This problem is equally found with glasses or contacts.

Dr Judy
michael toulch - 27 Mar 2007 13:20 GMT
> Can anybody tell me the Rx required to bring 20/60 visual acuity to
> 20/20?
>
> Can anybody provide the formula for such translation?

not really.
rx could be myopia, hyperopia, astigmatism and astigmatism at
different angles will affect acuity differently.
pupil size is a factor too.
so is eye health.
Dan Abel - 30 Mar 2007 02:31 GMT
> Can anybody tell me the Rx required to bring 20/60 visual acuity to
> 20/20?
>
> Can anybody provide the formula for such translation?

Only Otis.  Nobody else can do this.  

There are many conditions that will cause a tested state of 20/60.  Some
can be corrected with various prescriptions, some require surgery and
some are not correctable at all.

If you know that you are nearsighted, Otis can help you.  Otherwise, he
won't believe you.
 
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