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Caroline - 18 Mar 2007 22:05 GMT
I have been referred by my optician to an opthalmologist. The reason I have
to go is because I mentioned some discomfort in one of my eyes and the
optician could see no reason for it. He says the opthalmologist has equipment
that means he can do a more thorough examination. I am apprehensive as it
sounds serious, what can I expect - will he just look in my eyes, will he
test my vision, or will he have to give me anasthetic? Is a referral to an
opthalmologist quite common?

Thanks.
Ms.Brainy - 18 Mar 2007 22:23 GMT
> I have been referred by my optician to an opthalmologist. The reason I have
> to go is because I mentioned some discomfort in one of my eyes and the
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You are lucky to have a responsible optician.  I wish mine was ;-(

You probably will have to be more specific describing your
"discomfort".  From your statement only, it could be anything...

An ophthalmologist will probably test your vision, your eye pressure,
dilate your pupil(s) and look inside your eyes.  Don't be afraid and
don't worry, none of this hurts and none is invasive.  While your
pupils are direlated your vision will be fuzzy, so prepare a ride back
home.  Your pupils will get back to their normal size within several
hours.
Caroline - 18 Mar 2007 22:41 GMT
Ms Brainy thanks for replying.
I told my optician that it felt like this - if you pushed your finger in your
eye then released it, it would cause a dull pain.  He has already tested my
eye pressure and looked inside my eyes and can see nothing wrong. I mentioned
it initially because I know someone who has glaucoma, he has had it since his
20s, so I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something like that.
Dave Bell - 18 Mar 2007 22:47 GMT
> Ms Brainy thanks for replying.
> I told my optician that it felt like this - if you pushed your finger in your
> eye then released it, it would cause a dull pain.

As the old story goes,
"Doctor! When I do *this*, it hurts!"
"Don't do that..."
otisbrown@pa.net - 20 Mar 2007 04:39 GMT
Or,

Patient>  Doctor!  When I drink coffee I get a stabing pain in my
right eye.

Doctor> Try removing the spoon from the coffee cup before drinking
coffee.

> > Ms Brainy thanks for replying.
> > I told my optician that it felt like this - if you pushed your finger in your
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> "Doctor! When I do *this*, it hurts!"
> "Don't do that..."
The Real Bev - 19 Mar 2007 01:44 GMT
>> I have been referred by my optician to an opthalmologist. The reason I have
>> to go is because I mentioned some discomfort in one of my eyes and the
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> home.  Your pupils will get back to their normal size within several
> hours.

Accordingly, bring your darkest sunglasses with you even if you have a
reliable friend to drive you home.  The glare will be miserable.  I've had
to drive home myself on occasion, and it was possible, but REALLY unpleasant
and sufficiently dangerous that you wouldn't want to do it unless you had to.

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Don W - 20 Mar 2007 02:00 GMT
> Accordingly, bring your darkest sunglasses with you even if you have a
> reliable friend to drive you home.  The glare will be miserable.  I've had
> to drive home myself on occasion, and it was possible, but REALLY unpleasant
> and sufficiently dangerous that you wouldn't want to do it unless you had to.

Agreed, I thought too that I could drive home in the daylight hours
with dark shades.  But it was the glare of the reflected sunlight off
of the rounded surfaces of cars that got to me.  Best to get a friend
to drive.

Don W.
Charles - 20 Mar 2007 02:14 GMT
> Agreed, I thought too that I could drive home in the daylight hours
> with dark shades.  But it was the glare of the reflected sunlight off
> of the rounded surfaces of cars that got to me.  Best to get a friend
> to drive.

My Ophthalmologist gives me reversing drops so I don't have that
problem. They work pretty fast.

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Don W - 20 Mar 2007 04:22 GMT
> My Ophthalmologist gives me reversing drops so I don't have that
> problem. They work pretty fast.
>
> --
> Charles

So what are the side effects of doing something like this?

Don W.
Charles O - 20 Mar 2007 10:15 GMT
> So what are the side effects of doing something like this?

I have had no side effects but it could cause redness.

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Don W - 21 Mar 2007 00:26 GMT
W <dwil...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> > So what are the side effects of doing something like this?
>
> I have had no side effects but it could cause redness.
>
> --
> Charles

So if it so trivial a procedure, then why is it not offered to those
who have to do solo appointments and drive back by themselves??

Don W.
Charles - 21 Mar 2007 00:39 GMT
> So if it so trivial a procedure, then why is it not offered to those
> who have to do solo appointments and drive back by themselves??

It is not a procedure. It is eye drops. I would ask your doctor. He
will either say he does not use the reversing drops or he will give
them to you if you want to use them. I don't know how long they have
been available. I have been going to Ophthalmologist every year for 30
years and it was only about three years ago that I was offered the
reversing drops.

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Mike Tyner - 21 Mar 2007 01:10 GMT
> It is not a procedure. It is eye drops. I would ask your doctor. He
> will either say he does not use the reversing drops or he will give
> them to you if you want to use them. I don't know how long they have
> been available. I have been going to Ophthalmologist every year for 30
> years and it was only about three years ago that I was offered the
> reversing drops.

I think Rev-Eyes (dapiprazole) has been around since the early 90's. But I
think it was discontinued about 3-6 months ago. I can't find "dapiprazole"
in my favorite drug database, or on the B&L web site.

It had a short shelf life, but there is probably some still around. I bought
one bottle and never used it up.

It helped a little, but it stung pretty bad, was terribly expensive and only
lasted about 2 weeks once opened.

-MT
Neil Brooks - 21 Mar 2007 01:16 GMT
> I think Rev-Eyes (dapiprazole) has been around since the early 90's. But I
> think it was discontinued about 3-6 months ago.

Can't see why it would have been discontinued.... ;-)

http://tinyurl.com/2mgexe

CONCLUSIONS: Our data suggest limited utility for Rev-Eyes with a
young population. The recovery rate of near visual acuity and
amplitude of accommodation is identical with or without Rev-Eyes.
Don W - 21 Mar 2007 01:41 GMT
://tinyurl.com/2mgexe
>
> CONCLUSIONS: Our data suggest limited utility for Rev-Eyes with a
> young population. The recovery rate of near visual acuity and
> amplitude of accommodation is identical with or without Rev-Eyes.

Yes but, the sentence before your "tinyurl" says,

"Our results confirm that a statistically significant reduction in
pupil diameter is achieved 60 minutes after installation of Rev-
Eyes".

Then it goes on with your injected quote.  So ..... how can it affect
pupil size significantly and not affect acuity?

Don W.
Mike Tyner - 21 Mar 2007 01:57 GMT
> Then it goes on with your injected quote.  So ..... how can it affect
> pupil size significantly and not affect acuity?

It had no substantial effect on _near_ acuity.

Shrinking the pupil might reduce the haze/fog that accompanies wide dilation
(peripheral optics are sloppy).

But there are no sympathetic receptors in the ciliary body so dapiprazole
can't improve accommodation.

-MT
Ms.Brainy - 21 Mar 2007 02:31 GMT
I just came back from an eye exam, in which one pupil was dilated.  I
drove 40 minutes in rush hour traffic, accompanied by the Southern
Arizona sun.  I wore dark sunglasses, and had no problem driving back
home.  However, if 2 pupils are dilated, or if it's after sunset,
BEWARE!  With 2 dilated pupils you'll see very little, and at night
the glare from the lights around you will be unbearable and
confusing.  If you cover or close the dilated eye and use only the
other eye, you'll lack depth perception and should be overly cautious.

Comclusion:  Get somebody to drive you home!
William Stacy - 21 Mar 2007 18:45 GMT
>Comclusion:  Get somebody to drive you home!
>  

Always a good idea, esp. if you are going to a retina specialist who
like to use the stronger dilaters.  It's really very much a your mileage
may vary situation, because some peoples pupils get way bigger than
others, and of course some people have greater sensitivity to light than
others.  I've never used or offered the Reveyes because of the major
redness it can cause.

w.stacy, o.d.
Don W - 21 Mar 2007 02:50 GMT
> > Then it goes on with your injected quote.  So ..... how can it affect
> > pupil size significantly and not affect acuity?
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>
> -MT

 Not to nitpick, but are we really talking about near acuity or
accomodation?  Or driving against blinding light?

Don W.
The Real Bev - 21 Mar 2007 05:20 GMT
> ://tinyurl.com/2mgexe
>>
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> pupil diameter is achieved 60 minutes after installation of Rev-
> Eyes".

That explains it;  my house is only 20 minutes away.

> Then it goes on with your injected quote.  So ..... how can it affect
> pupil size significantly and not affect acuity?

Doesn't that just involve depth of field?  Sharpness wasn't the problem,
it's the godawful head-splitting brightness.

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Don W - 21 Mar 2007 01:20 GMT
> I think Rev-Eyes (dapiprazole) has been around since the early 90's. But I
> think it was discontinued about 3-6 months ago. I can't find "dapiprazole"
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>
> -MT

 It would seem to me that is one is given a drug to reverse the
actions of the other, then one would have to worry about the time
constants of the two interacting drugs.  If the second would overwhelm
the first, then one would be stuck with the reversed effect, i.e.,
smaller pupils, as the end result, having to wear that effect off.

Don W.
Mike Tyner - 21 Mar 2007 01:52 GMT
>  It would seem to me that is one is given a drug to reverse the
> actions of the other, then one would have to worry about the time
> constants of the two interacting drugs.  If the second would overwhelm
> the first, then one would be stuck with the reversed effect, i.e.,
> smaller pupils, as the end result, having to wear that effect off.

That probably figured into the decision about how strong to make the final
product.

But there are four major categories of neurotrophic drugs that act on the
pupil.
Sympathetic agonists like epinephrine stimulate dilation, and antagonists
interfere with dilation.

Dapripazole (Rev-eyes) was a sympathetic antagonist, which paralyzed the
dilating fibers.

But it seemed to me the effects were too wimpy to worry about
"overshooting."

-MT
Charles - 21 Mar 2007 01:54 GMT
> It helped a little, but it stung pretty bad, was terribly expensive and only
> lasted about 2 weeks once opened.

I do recall it stung a little but not bad enough to bother me. I found
it helped a lot, very fast on me in reversing the dilation.

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The Real Bev - 21 Mar 2007 05:17 GMT
>  W <dwil...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>> > So what are the side effects of doing something like this?
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> So if it so trivial a procedure, then why is it not offered to those
> who have to do solo appointments and drive back by themselves??

I've had them and it made no difference.  I generally forget to ask for them.

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Dan Abel - 21 Mar 2007 19:41 GMT
> So if it so trivial a procedure, then why is it not offered to those
> who have to do solo appointments and drive back by themselves??

I've done this many times.  I would rather not, but it can be done.  I
once took dilating drops for a full week.  Fortunately, it was just one
eye, so I just put a patch over it when I drove.
Caroline - 22 Mar 2007 20:33 GMT
I understand that he might put drops in my eye and will make sure I don't
drive home. What else might be part of the examination?
Neil Brooks - 22 Mar 2007 20:45 GMT
> I understand that he might put drops in my eye and will make sure I don't
> drive home. What else might be part of the examination?

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003434.htm
 
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