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Lynne - 05 Mar 2007 20:47 GMT
Are there any photochromatic lenses that are useful both indoors and
outdoors as sunglasses?  I understand that they won't work in a car, but
from everything I have read, they don't work as sunglasses either, so
what's the point?

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William Stacy - 05 Mar 2007 20:58 GMT
Photochromic lenses work quite well indoors and out, and I have no idea
where you heard they don't work as a sunglass, except, as you say in an
enclosed vehicle. The main thing is they are slow to lighten (7-10 min)
and don't get as dark as some people want. If you want a very dark
sunglass, esp in a car, they are probably not for you. They are pretty
much 100% UV protective at any state of darkening.

>Are there any photochromatic lenses that are useful both indoors and
>outdoors as sunglasses?  I understand that they won't work in a car, but
>from everything I have read, they don't work as sunglasses either, so
>what's the point?
>
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Lynne - 05 Mar 2007 21:30 GMT
> Photochromic lenses work quite well indoors and out, and I have no idea
> where you heard they don't work as a sunglass, except, as you say in an
> enclosed vehicle. The main thing is they are slow to lighten (7-10 min)
> and don't get as dark as some people want. If you want a very dark
> sunglass, esp in a car, they are probably not for you. They are pretty
> much 100% UV protective at any state of darkening.

If they are useful as sunglasses, why does the manufacturer of Transistions
Lenses state they are not a replacement for sunglasses?

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Lynne

William Stacy - 05 Mar 2007 22:16 GMT
>>Photochromic lenses work quite well indoors and out, and I have no idea
>>where you heard they don't work as a sunglass, except, as you say in an
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> If they are useful as sunglasses, why does the manufacturer of Transistions
> Lenses state they are not a replacement for sunglasses?

I suppose they don't want you to think they are a good driving sunglass,
unless you are driving a convertible with the top down. Funny, because
they seem to have no problem with their commercial that (falsely) shows
them lightening up in a few seconds.

But in full direct sun, they are fine for most people.  Oh and they are
not polarized, which the best sunglasses are for many people.
Mike Tyner - 06 Mar 2007 00:20 GMT
> Are there any photochromatic lenses that are useful both indoors and
> outdoors as sunglasses?  I understand that they won't work in a car, but
> from everything I have read, they don't work as sunglasses either, so
> what's the point?

They get darker in the sun and they get lighter indoors. They work as
promised. The most common gripes are they don't change enough, or fast
enough.

In another 5 or 10 years and there'll be a little rheostat on the temple so
you can dial up your preference, all the way to opaque.

I also think there'll be a slide on the other temple, a little hydraulic
pump to bulge the lenses and give you a near add.

-MT
William Stacy - 06 Mar 2007 00:37 GMT
>They get darker in the sun and they get lighter indoors. They work as
>promised.
>  

Unless you consider that TV commercial that shows them lightening fully
in a couple of seconds to be a "promise".  I do, and think we all ought
to do a class action suit to recover all the professional time we take
explaining that blatant lie to the patients...
Lynne - 06 Mar 2007 01:12 GMT
> Unless you consider that TV commercial that shows them lightening fully
> in a couple of seconds to be a "promise".  I do, and think we all ought
> to do a class action suit to recover all the professional time we take
> explaining that blatant lie to the patients...

I do not take tv commercials at face value, though I'm sure most consumers
do.  I am just looking for a pair of glasses that will protect my very
light sensitive eyes (due to uveitis) in even the brightest sunlight--and
not just from UV rays, but from the pain of bright light.  I can keep a sun
clip in my car for driving, but if I am outdoors in the sun I want the
lenses to be DARK, even if it is hot outside.  Unless the information I
have read is outdated, they don't get very dark, especially not in the
heat.  Is that incorrect?

Are there any brands that are better than others?  By "better" I mean clear
indoors and very dark outdoors.  Also, are there specific types of lenses
(glass, poly, etc) that perform better?

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William Stacy - 06 Mar 2007 01:24 GMT
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OK then you do indeed need "Dark" sunglasses, as in dark all the time.  
None of the transitions will work well for you, unless you wear your
clip over the transitions base lens, which lots of my patients do.  
However, IMO the very best would be something like a Maui Jim Rx sun
lens. They use 8 base (for some extra wrap around) poly  (and some
glass) lenses with double gradient  mirrors on the front and AR on the
inside.  Very spendy but very nice. I did a single vision pair for a vsp
patient the other day and her share was around $300 of the $400.
Lynne - 06 Mar 2007 01:49 GMT
> OK then you do indeed need "Dark" sunglasses, as in dark all the time.  
> None of the transitions will work well for you, unless you wear your
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> inside.  Very spendy but very nice. I did a single vision pair for a vsp
> patient the other day and her share was around $300 of the $400.

That's what I figured... I was hoping to get away from carrying two pairs
of glasses all the time.  I may get some transistions (or other brand)
anyway, for those times when I have to be outdoors unexpectantly or
briefly.  Which brand gets the darkest and is still clear indoors?

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William Stacy - 06 Mar 2007 02:01 GMT
 Which brand gets the darkest and is still clear indoors?

The only ones like that are Transitions in plastic or Photogrey in
glass, and the glass still have a moderate  tint indoors, whereas the
plastic transitions are just about clear. All the ones that get darker
have substantial tint indoors.
The Real Bev - 06 Mar 2007 03:43 GMT
>   Which brand gets the darkest and is still clear indoors?
>
> The only ones like that are Transitions in plastic or Photogrey in
> glass, and the glass still have a moderate  tint indoors, whereas the
> plastic transitions are just about clear. All the ones that get darker
> have substantial tint indoors.

I was happy with my old glass Photogray lenses -- they got reasonably dark
outside and were just slightly darker than clear inside, certainly not a
problem.  FWIW, I also used them skiing and riding my motorcycle.  They were
MUCH better than the plastic Transitions lenses, which were effectively
worthless.

Rite-Aid sells some pretty neat-looking over-glasses for $20.  2 colors and
3 sizes.  Check those out before spending more money.

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Cheers,
Bev
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William Stacy - 06 Mar 2007 20:58 GMT
> They were MUCH better than the plastic Transitions lenses, which were
> effectively worthless.

In all fairness, the new Transitions are way better than the old ones,
and they last longer.  The original Transitions were pretty worthless.

Photogrey glass, of course, has a host of potential problems (weight,
safety, and that awful greenish yellow tint...), but there are a few of
you diehards still wearing them...
The Real Bev - 07 Mar 2007 02:49 GMT
>> They were MUCH better than the plastic Transitions lenses, which were
>> effectively worthless.
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> safety, and that awful greenish yellow tint...), but there are a few of
> you diehards still wearing them...

"Heavy" is the killer, along with "expensive".  I never broke a lens, even
when I broke the frame the lens was in.

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Cheers, Bev
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William Stacy - 06 Mar 2007 01:25 GMT
oh, and they were polarized as well...

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