> > On Feb 19, 9:47 am, "Dr. Leukoma" <d...@leukoma.com> wrote:
> > > That's pretty impressive listing of 30, 40, and 50 year/old
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Dear "L",
When your 5 year-old was had a refractive STATE of
-0.75 diopters -- you put him into a -3/4. That
would indeed clear the 20/40 line to 20/20,
and maybe 20/15 or 20/12.
You have every right to do that. But your
mind is hermetically sealed against the
Eskimo data, the primate data, the
existence of the preventive second-opinion.
Some parents "wake up" to the plus-preventive
second-opinion and will use the plus and
WAIT for their child's Snellen to clear.
This is not a medical, but rather a scientific
approach.
Just because you WANT to believe that
it will not work, never means that is
does not work.
So Ron's kid will keep his 20/20 through the
school years, while you child plays
baseball with a -5 diopter lens on.
Here is Ron's assessment of the plus-preventive
method:
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Dear Prevention-minded parents,
I have received this from a parent.
I have changed the names of the people to protect them.
Best,
Otis
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From: Ron
Subject: Mike's vision 20/70 to 20/30
Dear Otis,
I am Ron and my son is Mike. Mike is eight years old now and
can read most of the 20/30 line of i-see random Snellen chart. He
has been using plus for three months.
In 2004 when he was 6. My wife and I took him to see the
optometrist in a university. We were told that Mike's vision was
farsighted +0.75D both eyes and the eyes were healthy.
In 2005 he was 7. We went to the same optometrist. We were
told that Mike's farsightedness was gone. We worried he would be
myopic soon. But nothing we could do at the time. The
optometrist said that they suggest some children to use the hard
contact lens to slow down the myopia if myopia grows fast. But he
said Mike was not myopic yet and did not need at the time. My
wife and I also think the hard contact lens is too dangerous for a
young boy like Michael. We do not consider. What we could do was
just keep an eye on his vision.
At his regular body check early August this year. The doctor
told us Mike needed to see an optometrist. My wife and I took him
to see an optometrist on the same day. We were told that Mike was
R -1.25 D and L -1.00 D nearsighted. That guy said Mike needed a
pair of nearsightedness glasses. I told him Mike's refractive
state was 0 diopter last year. That guy said ..you know.. he has
grown. he has grown taller. his eyes have grown longer. and
heredity. so myopia. I thought only the heredity made sense (not
any more now).
I think the NBA players are much taller. Are they all
myopic? We rejected to let Michael wear glasses the guy wanted to
sell. We went to two more different optometrists at different
places in the week (because I don't really trust some of them ).
One said Michael was R -1.25 D and L -1.50 D. Another said he was
-1.50 D both eyes. Sure enough he was nnearsighted. We did not go
to the university because it takes months for an appointment. We
needed to know earlier.
My wife and I were very sad. We have been doing everything
we can to protect his vision since he was a baby, no close reading
at home (in school we don't know and can not control), 12 feet
away from the TV and only two or three hours a week, no TV game
and no computer etc. Unfortunately, he can not stay away from
myopia.
In that week. My wife and I searched on the net. We wanted
to find some methods to slow down Mike's myopia progress. We
found O.K lens then we found plus method on Steve's site and your
site. We read as much as possible in a week. Though we read a
lot. We could not let Mike try the plus. Because we didn't know
too much about this. We worried. So we decided to try the plus
lenses by myself first. After a few days using plus lenses. I
felt good and my vision improved little. It was no harmful at
all. Then we got a pair of +1.50 D lenses for Michael starting.
Mike started using plus in the end of August 2006.
Mike's vision improved a little bit in a month. I always
check his vision at home with the eye charts on the net. I have
read a lot about plus prevention on the net. Too bad Steve
doesn't update his website any more for some reason. Some people
accused him.
I have read a lot on your site, your forum, the Yabb vision
improvement forum, sci.med.vision and i-see etc. I realize the
+1.50 D lenses are not strong enough for Michael when he reaches
20/50 or better. So I gave him a pair of +2.50D lenses on 26
September 2006. He uses plus at home and his class room. He now
can read most of the 20/30. Sometimes 4 of 6 sometimes 5 of 6.
His vision was about 20/60 - 20/70 three months ago. He has
improved a lot through three months.
Last week Mike had a vision assessment in the department of
health. The optometrist put the -0.50D lenses on Mike's face.
Michael could read the smallest line each eye separately with
those lenses. The optometrist said Mike was -0.50 D nearsighted
both eyes. I asked him if the smallest line was 20/20. He told
me that was 20/15. He said Mike didn't need glasses.
Otis, is that kind of over-prescription you always say?
Anyway, we are so happy about that Michael is just -0.50D
nearsighted (may be) confirmed by a professional optometrist
though I know his vision level on the eye chart at home, though I
don't trust some of them too much.
Mike improves his vision by using plus. So do I. But my
vision is too bad can not be restored. One thing is certain.
Plus prevention works. Mike doesn't do any eye exercise like
zooming, sunning and palming etc. He doesn't even know it. I
have given him some blue berry extract with DHA since October
2006. I don't know if it helps. Who knows?
One more thing is certain. God has been helping us. Thank
God.
Otis, you are doing great. You are helping a lot of people.
Some people overcome myopia with your help. I have learnt much
about plus-prevention on your site. Mike can avoid the stair-case
myopia. His vision doesn't need to be sacrificed. I can't tell
you how excited I am that he doesn't need the nearsightedness
glasses in his life even he is just 20/30 now. You are making
things better.
I have seen some people bash you unreasonably. So I just
want to write this letter to say thank you and encourage you. It
is not easy for me to type an English letter like this. But I
have to.
I don't know if Mike will reach 20/20. I believe he will. I
will let you know on the day.
Thank you very much again Otis.
Best regards,
Ron
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Part 2
Subject: Mike's vision now 20/25
Dear Otis,
Thank you for your message. I read those pages of Wildsoet
Lab and Good Vision. I understand the effect of the minus lens.
When I was teen. I needed stronger minus lenses every one or two
years. I don't want my child to do the same thing that I did. I
value his vision.
I test Mike's vision once a week. Yesterday I tested his
vision again. He could read 4 of 5 letters of IVAC 20/25 line.
It amazed me. Last week he could just read 5 of 6 letters of
I-SEE Snellen 20/30 line. He is getting better and better. I
think kid's vision can be restored much easier than adult.
As you know. There are so many people nearsighted in Hong
Kong. I am one of them. Michael is in a grade 3 class with 20
classmates. Unfortunately there are already five students wearing
minus glasses in his class. My wife has talked about plus
prevention to a parent whose child is -1.50 D nearsighted. But
she didn't really believe it. People prefer the minus lens the
optometrists suggest. You are right. The Lord helps the people
who help themselves.
I will get Mike proper medical checks certainly and we will
go to the Polytechnic university to see the optometrist again when
his vision gets better.
Thank you very much for your attention.
Best regards,
Ron
> On Feb 19, 9:37 pm, myopiac...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Neil Brooks - 20 Feb 2007 19:30 GMT
> Dear "L",
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> mind is hermetically sealed against the
> Eskimo data,
Which says what? Myopia is a relatively new issue among the Inuit
people?
It says nothing more. Quite likely, it was the newly-introduced
Western diet, no?
WHY myopia developed is called IDENTIFYING the problem. (Step 1)
>From there, you OBSERVE the problem (Step 2)
>From there, you develop a HYPOTHESIS (Step 3)
>From there, you design experiments which TEST the hypothesis (Step 4)
>From THERE, you draw conclusions (Step 5)
Unfortunately, YOU jump right from Step 1 to Step 5. That makes you
an intellectually dishonest charlatan masquerading as a man of
science. A "douchebag," if you will.
> the primate data,
Primate data? You mean the sutured lens, 24/7, form-deprivation data
on primates who did not need glasses? What's your point?
> the
> existence of the preventive second-opinion.
The what?
> Some parents "wake up" to the plus-preventive
> second-opinion and will use the plus and
> WAIT for their child's Snellen to clear.
But that doesn't seem to alter the outcome of that child's vision.
If you think otherwise, would you kindly provide evidence (that
comports with the scientific method)? This is, after all,
SCI.med.vision.
> This is not a medical, but rather a scientific
> approach.
Ohhhhhhh, au contraire. It's HARDLY a "scientific approach." More
accurately: it's the ANTITHESIS OF a scientific approach.
Liar.
> Just because you WANT to believe that
> it will not work, never means that is
> does not work.
pot ... kettle ... black.
> So Ron's kid will keep his 20/20 through the
> school years, while you child plays
> baseball with a -5 diopter lens on.
>
> Here is Ron's assessment of the plus-preventive
> method:
Who? Ron??
Another useless, unverifiable, third-hand anecdote? On
SCI.med.vision?
You're a fool.
A damned fool.
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Dr. Leukoma - 20 Feb 2007 19:48 GMT
> You're a fool.
>
> A damned fool.
>
> [snipped to avoid insulting the reader's intelligence]
I think that pretty much sums it up.
DrG
Dr. Leukoma - 20 Feb 2007 19:54 GMT
> You have every right to do that. But your
> mind is hermetically sealed against the
> Eskimo data, the primate data, the
> existence of the preventive second-opinion.
I don't know how to reply to that bit of insanity. That's like saying
"the chair has a flat tire." The grammar is OK, but it is utter
nonsense to say such a thing.
DrG
otisbrown@pa.net - 21 Feb 2007 02:42 GMT
Subject: Remarks by Ignaz Philipp Semmelweis about doctors
who refused to wash their hands.
Re: Letter by Shira Raphaelson.
After I received your letter, (from Maurice Brumer) I went to the
public library
and checked out a book that made a tremendous impression on me at
the time I read it many years ago, "The Cry and the Covenant", by
Morton Thompson. It is the story of Dr. Ignaz Philipp
Semmelweis' efforts to get the medical profession to accept his
simple remedy of cleanliness. He was unsuccessful. The following
quoted passages are apropos.
"Do you know," said Arneth slowly, "it's true of your
discovery as it has been of every discovery in this whole history
of medicine. When we take our medical oath we undertake to
lengthen life and ease suffering. We are all united in seeking
new means.
And every time a man has come forward with a
demonstrable truth, a remedy for good, the profession seems to
have done its best to crush the discover and hide the discovery.
No quackery -- no criminality -- nothing seems to make us so
furious as a discovery." (Page 367)
In reply to a statement by one of his few medical friends,
who has just told Semmelwiess that he is being called a fool, he
replies:
"Well they could call me an adulterer and a thief -- they can
spit on me and curse the mother who bore me -- and if they wash
their hands I will smile at them. I will humbly thank them. I
will get down on my knees and praise the breath that calls me
fool. Only let the murdering dogs wash their hands!" (Page 369)
Best,
Otis
> > You have every right to do that. But your
> > mind is hermetically sealed against the
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> DrG
Neil Brooks - 21 Feb 2007 02:46 GMT
Otis typed something worthless, meaningless, and directly avoiding Dr.
Leukoma's point.
To which, I reply....
Hey, Uncle Otie: how about answering my questions instead:
http://nbeener.com/NDB_OSB_Qs.txt
Dr. Leukoma - 26 Feb 2007 13:02 GMT
> And every time a man has come forward with a
> demonstrable truth, a remedy for good, the profession seems to
> have done its best to crush the discover and hide the discovery.
> No quackery -- no criminality -- nothing seems to make us so
> furious as a discovery." (Page 367)
I just typed the search term "myopia" into the PubMed search engine
and got 11612 citations. I typed in "myopia AND prevention" and got
605. People sure seem to be wasting lot of time looking for a cure
since they don't want to find one.
DrG
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 27 Feb 2007 03:54 GMT
> Dear "L",
> You have every right to do that. But your
> mind is hermetically sealed against the
> Eskimo data, the primate data, the
> existence of the preventive second-opinion.
sure-- the "Eskimo data", as well as other numerous observations, seem
to suggest a link between a near environment, accommodation, and
myopia development. that linkage was noted decades ago by vision
researchers. but then they did what all rational scientific minds
do-- they developed controlled studies that looked at the issue
carefully. the outcome of that research was that no treatment regimen
that reduced accommodation had any effect on the development of
myopia. not plus lenses, not under-correction, not removing minus
lenses for reading-- NOTHING WORKED. furthermore, over-minusing which
would increase accommodation and should therefore increase myopia
development according the your theory, also had no effect.
so go ahead and call-up all the suggestive associations, all the one-
off success stories, and whatever you like. the data is clear for
those who bother to read and understand it-- accommodative strain has
no effect on myopia development. plus lenses do not work!
and to your compatriot who believes that myopia prevention has not
been offered to people by eye doctors because there is "no money in
it"-- that's bullshit! if I knew of an effective method my patients
would want it and I would provide it. and don't forget that one
company in Iowa DID try to offer it (even though it doesn't work) and
they got shut down by the State Attorney General for fraud!
http://www.casewatch.org/ag/ia/seeclearly/consent.shtml