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"Well Vision"/Glasses Examination Insurance Question

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Anon E. Muss - 15 Feb 2007 04:54 GMT
I feel like a broken record...

I have a lot of patients who think that their "well vision"/vision
discount plan (e.g., VSP Standard Plan, Medical Eye Services, Davis
Vision, EyeMed, Spectera, etc.) covers everything eye related.

They will come in with complaints such as eye pain, red eyes, dry
eyes, flashes/floaters, epiphora, foreign body sensations, sudden
vision loss, transient loss of vision, itchy eyes -- in other words,
non-refractive complaints/complaints not amenable to standard optical
correction (i.e., glasses).

I get put in the unfortunate (and complete waste of time) position of
having to explaint to patients how THEIR *routine* vision insurance
works.  How their VSP, *MEDICAL* eye services, Eye*MED* (aside:  How
stupid to call yourself "MEDICAL eye services" or "EyeMED" and not
cover MEDICAL eye problems.) does not cover anything beyond a glasses
examination and screening for eye disease.

In other words, if someone comes in with complaints that suggest dry
eye, it does not cover the Schirmer's test necessary for the diagnosis
and it does not cover the follow-ups necessary for me to judge
response to therapy (Some people need merely enviornmental changes,
others need artifical tears, others need nutritional supplementation/
omega-3 oils, others need corticosteroids, others need eyelid hygiene,
others oral tetracyclines, others RESTASIS, etc.) and monitor for side
effects.  If someone comes in with complaints of transient vision loss
or loss of side vision, it does not cover the perimetry I feel is
needed for the workup.  If someone comes in with an acute floater, it
does not cover the extended ophthalmoscopy that is all likelihood
needed.  And if someone comes in with what I suspect to be bacterial
keratitis, it does not cover the culturing of the ulcer (if needed)
and it does not cover the follow-ups needed to judge (and possible
modify) the response to therapy.  Etc -- I think you get the idea.

And some complaints (e.g., headache, decreased vision) have refractive
and/or medical causes.  And a refractive cause cannot be ruled out
prior to performing a routine eye examination.

The unfortunate fact of life where I practice (Southern California) is
that approximately 75% of the people I deal with are touched in one
way or another via managed care/HMOs.  So it is NOT, in the majority
of situations, a case where I can simply bill their major medical
insurance and it will reimburse me.

And the vast majority of these managed care patients want to be seen
only if their insurance will cover their visit, so explaining the
rationale for treatment, epidemiology, natural history/course, various
risks/benefits of treatment, treatment/management options is a
complete waste of time.  Some even have the gall to ask me what they
can do themselves to treat their complaints without having to go to
their HMO since I just "examined their eyes."  One particular dry-eyed
patient wanted me to tell her what she should try first before going
to her HMO, because if she went to her HMO she'd have to take time off
work, see her primary care doctor, who then may or may not refer her
to an eye specialist for which she'd have to take more time off work
and all this "would take probably weeks because that's how long
referrals to specialists take".  But she also did not want to have to
pay out of pocket for the workup and follow-up visit if I were to
start empirical dry-eye treatment.  She felt I should just tell her
since I just "examined her eyes" using her vision disount plan's
benefit.

I don't want to offend patients, but I also want to make it crystal
clear that our office does not provide free services for those who can
afford to pay for them or those who have medical insurance that would
cover them to go elsewhere.  Their choices are to either pay us or go
through their HMO for non-covered services -- it should be cut and
dry.  Also, vision insurance pays pennies on the dollars of what a
cash patient does and as such there is even less incentive on vision
insurance patients to provide anything in the form of free service.
Lastly, if I would provide these "free services", there would be
reduced incentive for medical insurances to put me on their panel or
for patients to choose PPO over HMO.  Patients need to realize that
they don't get PPO service (go where they want, when they want) at HMO
prices.  That's why people get HMOs because they value the less out of
pocket expense over the more flexibility they get with a PPO.

I have gone to various vision discount plan webpages and manuals and
see nothing that clearly states to the patient that non-refractive
(i.e., medical) eye problems are not a covered benefit.  I suspect
they make it intentionally vague along with the human resource
departments at the various companies that contract out with such
vision discount plans.  I get a bunch of patients who call their jobs'
HR departments and tell them "I got pink eye" to which the HR
department tells them they have VSP standard plan and go see on  of
the doctors on the list rather than directing them thru their medical
insurance.  I mean -- WTF -- the HR/employee benefits department
doesn't even know what the VSP does and does not cover?  Same with
EyeMed, MES, etc.  I would like to have something in writing that I
could show to a patient to demonstrate this fact.  In other words to
say, "Look.  Sorry.  See right here.  Your VSP standard plan doesn't
cover the evaluation, workup, management and treatment of your
complaint."

It is not an exaggeration that having to explain this to patients is a
valuable waste of our time.  Waste as in, it is clearly not our
responsibility to explain to patients their insurance benefits.  There
are certainly cases where it is unclear ("My eyes are bothering me")
if the problem is refractive or medical, but the majority of the cases
are clear if patients would merely know what their insurance covers.
Vision/medical insurance is not a contract between the doctor and the
patient, but between the patient and the insurance company and the
doctor and the insurance company.

Does anyone have anything in writing from one of these vision discount
plans manual or website that clearly states what is and is not
covered?  And how do other eye doctors deal with patients who present
with such problems?
William Stacy, O.D. - 15 Feb 2007 07:26 GMT
Obviously there's a lot of confusion in terminology in the business.
One of my peeves is your (and the very common) use of the term "well
vision" to describe the famous "routine eye exam" or whatever you want
to call it.  Well vision?  How can vision be well or sick?  It's an
oxymoron.

The fact is, the "average" eye exam in the US consists not only of
refraction, binocularity eval. and "screening" for eye disease.  It has
evolved into a very comprehensive encounter that covers lots of medical
areas, and calling it a well vision exam is about like calling it a
refraction.

It would be nice if everything could be as compartmentalized as you'd
like it to be, but it isn't.  So relax a bit and go ahead and diagnose
that dry eye along with the myopia.  Sure, the patient is getting a
bargain (and so are the insurance carriers). But your patients will love
you for it and become very faithful.

If it's going to involve significant time/effort to handle a medical
issue, make sure you're prepared to immediately refer them out if you
don't take their insurance or they don't want to pay for it.  I think
advance warning (via a brochure or other info item) about this
possibility is is order, esp. for those on HMOs.

This is a big problem, but it is manageable.  Just bill medically when
you can, and refer out when you can't, unless your patients want to pay,
as some do, just to avoid the hassle.
Anon E. Muss - 17 Feb 2007 06:03 GMT
>Obviously there's a lot of confusion in terminology in the business.
>One of my peeves is your (and the very common) use of the term "well
>vision" to describe the famous "routine eye exam" or whatever you want
>to call it.  Well vision?  How can vision be well or sick?  It's an
>oxymoron.

It's a stupid term, I agree.

>The fact is, the "average" eye exam in the US consists not only of
>refraction, binocularity eval. and "screening" for eye disease.  It has
>evolved into a very comprehensive encounter that covers lots of medical
>areas, and calling it a well vision exam is about like calling it a
>refraction.

Right.

Here is the "problem" that you are well aware of:  Vision discount
plans (e.g., VSP standard plan, EyeMed, Medical Eye Services, etc.)
typically will only cover ONE examination per year.

So it is not possible to treat conditions that require non-routine
follow-up visits without (1) the patient or their MEDICAL insurance
paying or (2) doctor doing it for free.  There are a myriad of
conditions we are talking about here:  conjunctivitis, dry eye,
amblyopia, GPC, glaucoma, episcleritis, amblyopia therapy, acute
posterior vitreous detachment, etc.

And the problem that follows from this is that the vast majority of
patients are unaware of this fact.  They think their vision discount
plan covers everything eye related for one co-pay no matter how
complex or how many follow-up visits are required.

>It would be nice if everything could be as compartmentalized as you'd
>like it to be, but it isn't.  So relax a bit and go ahead and diagnose
>that dry eye along with the myopia.

The "dry eye diagnosis" isn't even the big problem.  The patients,
especially with dry eye, want the doctor to come up with a therapy
regimen.

And they want this without having to pay for the dry eye workup nor do
they want to have to pay for the follow-up visits to judge the
response to therapy.  Not fair to the cash paying patients, not fair
to those patients with major medical insurance, and not fair to the
doctor.  Chair time simply costs money.

>Sure, the patient is getting a bargain (and so are the insurance
>carriers).

The patient wins and the insurance company wins while the doctor gets
screwed.  ODs are infamous for this -- giving away their services for
free.

>But your patients will love you for it and become very faithful.

And why wouldn't they -- who doesn't love free stuff?

But I refuse to do it unless it is a situation where the patient
simply cannot afford to pay.

I'm talking about the homeless man, not the man who can't afford to
pay because if he does, he won't be able to go to Ruth's Criss this
week then.  And I'm not talking about the man who doesn't want to go
through the HMO hassle to get the condition treated, but on the other
hand doesn't want to pay out of pocket for it either.  In other words,
he could pay for it but wants the doctor to do it for free.

It's like the eye doctor who hands out five contact lens starter kits
and tells their patients to come back whenever they need more.  Or the
eye doctor who hands out three sample bottles of ZYMAR to treat a
patients bacterial keratitis rather than giving them one sample bottle
and having the patient pay for the script or copay for the script.  

The patients love the doctor and will become very faithful to the
doctor who does this, and the patient/insurance carriers are getting a
bargain while the contact lens solution/pharmaceutical companies are
getting screwed.

I won't do that either.

>If it's going to involve significant time/effort to handle a medical
>issue, make sure you're prepared to immediately refer them out if you
>don't take their insurance or they don't want to pay for it.  I think
>advance warning (via a brochure or other info item) about this
>possibility is is order, esp. for those on HMOs.

Anyone have some brochure or info like this that they'd care to share?

>This is a big problem, but it is manageable.  Just bill medically when
>you can, and refer out when you can't, unless your patients want to pay,
>as some do, just to avoid the hassle.

Bottom line:  I'm trying to find out what other docs do to manage this
problem and see if they have some methods I can incorporate into our
practice to make this problem less of a headache.

And as Dr. Stacy is well aware, for the vast majority of ODs in urban
California, the option of not taking vision discount plans is not
realistic for 99% of us.
William Stacy, O.D. - 17 Feb 2007 20:44 GMT
I've been pretty slow to implement it, but my plan is to ask for both
vision plan and medical plan information before the appointment is set.
 If it's not available or otherwise impossible, I will have the front
office try again at checkin time.  Run copies of anything they have on
either/both plans, regardless of what the "chief complaint" is.

While I'm doing the exam, staff is checking on any insurance they
already haven't done, and if they run into any uncertainty at all as to
whether we will get paid, have another document for the patient to sign
that clearly specifies patient/family responsibility for anything that
is either not covered by their insurance, or not payable to me directly
by any insurance.

Staff can interrupt me and I can stop the exam if the patient balks.
The thing I hate more than anything else is the patient getting the
service/materials from me, then they get paid by their insurance based
on my claim, and then they refuse to pay me!  Talk about adding insult
to injury.  I had this happen in Dec. and I will taking the guy to small
claims court, which I rarely do.

Another hint, get payment for any "extras" that you know will not be
covered before ordering anything, regardless of the plan.  At least that
will cover some of the insult that might be added to injury, if not the
out of pocket costs.

> Anyone have some brochure or info like this that they'd care to share?
>
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> California, the option of not taking vision discount plans is not
> realistic for 99% of us.
Dr. Leukoma - 18 Feb 2007 02:29 GMT
> I've been pretty slow to implement it, but my plan is to ask for both
> vision plan and medical plan information before the appointment is set.
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>
> - Show quoted text -

That's what we do as well.  We get all insurance upfront, medical as
well as vision, and bill for every nickle and dime.

DrG
Dr. Leukoma - 15 Feb 2007 13:56 GMT
> I feel like a broken record...
>
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> covered?  And how do other eye doctors deal with patients who present
> with such problems?

Don't get me started on vision plans.

DrG
William Stacy - 15 Feb 2007 21:23 GMT
Oh, and I missed it in the subject line, but I even hate the terms
"Glasses Examination" and "Contact Lens Examination" even more than
"refraction" or "well vision exam".  I do not examine glasses or contact
lenses.  I occasionally inspect them, but never examine them.

I would prefer the term "Eye exam" to refer to routine eye exam with
refraction and eye disease screening as described by the coverages of
most vision plans.

I would prefer the terms such as "glaucoma workup" or "dry eye
evaluation"  to distinguish the separate and distinct procedures
associated with those conditions so there is no confusion as to what is
covered by what.
 
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