I have been wearing Varilux Comfort progressives - very mild script,
1.5 add. Went in for new specs. Main change was add went to +2.
I was looking at large frames, as that is what I had been wearing; and
the worker recomended Nikon I lenses and a shorter frame, claiming
wider reading, wider distance, makes coffee, changes your oil.....
I see some commentary about this lens but not much. Somehow, I can't
see how a shorter lens would out do a taller one. I went ahead and
ordered them to see, but does anyone know anything about this lens?
Also, returns. They claim they'll redo the lenses, sell me a
different frame, etc., etc.. for 60 days. I am happy to take glasses
I don't like back, but isn't there some point whether they have lost
all profits? I don't know what the mark up was on this ($389 lenses,
$84 frames) and I don't want to abuse the privilege. How can they
just keep making lenses?
Mark A - 14 Feb 2007 19:43 GMT
>I have been wearing Varilux Comfort progressives - very mild script,
> 1.5 add. Went in for new specs. Main change was add went to +2.
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> $84 frames) and I don't want to abuse the privilege. How can they
> just keep making lenses?
There is usually a limit to the number of remakes an optical retailer will
do for free, based on what the policy of the lens manufacturer will agree to
do for free. Usually there is allowed one remake into a different lens model
for free (unless there was a problem with Rx or fitting). Remakes are built
into to cost of progressives, which is one reason they cost so much.
But a large chain like Wal-Mart "may" buy the lenses wholesale and finish
them in their own lab, and absorb the cost of remakes themselves (I don't
know). So their remake policy might be different. I am assuming (but I do
not know) that the 60 days is the return period for one remake, and not a
time window in which you can get as many remakes as you want. At some point,
if you are not satisfied, and they do not have confidence that they know how
to fix the problem, they will probably just give you a refund.
Usually a short frame has a smaller reading area, but it depends on how
short you mean (and how large your old lenses were). Any frame with a total
height of "about" 35mm - 38mm (or more) should be enough to have a good
sized reading area. Shorter than 35mm - 38mm is still OK for many, but you
would start to notice a slightly smaller reading area.
Of course, the actual fitting height (from pupil to bottom of frame) is
actually more important to the size of the reading area. If the fitting
height is 24mm or more on most lens designs, then you should not notice a
reduction in reading area. But even a fitting height of 20mm - 24mm is fine
for many people.
Regarding the Nikon i, in some countries it is sold in 2 models, such as i13
and i15. The i13 is for very short fitting height frames and will not
provide the maximum reading area that you probably want, and the i13 will
definitely have a smaller intermediate area than the i15. I would try to
find out which Nikon version they sold you, and if it is the i13 on a very
short frame then it may not be what you are wanting (based on your concerns
above).
Robert Martellaro - 14 Feb 2007 22:17 GMT
>I have been wearing Varilux Comfort progressives - very mild script,
>1.5 add. Went in for new specs. Main change was add went to +2.
>
>I was looking at large frames, as that is what I had been wearing; and
>the worker recomended Nikon I lenses and a shorter frame, claiming
>wider reading, wider distance, makes coffee, changes your oil.....
Right. Wider than what? Can a progressive lens have an extra wide near,
intermediate, and distance viewing zone? The lens designer says no. The
marketing department says it can, or says it in a way that makes it sound like
it can.
So it goes.
>I see some commentary about this lens but not much. Somehow, I can't
>see how a shorter lens would out do a taller one.
They're better for some situations, worse for others. Hopefully your optician
made the choice based on good science, your individual needs, and not because
Walmart/Nikon is paying the optician to sell Nikon lenses this quarter.
>I went ahead and
>ordered them to see, but does anyone know anything about this lens?
Comes in two versions, I13 and I15, the number represents the corridor length,
which roughly tells us the distance from the distance zone to an area close to
the near zone. Nikon says ther minimum fitting height of the I13 is 18mm, the
I15 is 21mm. Those are average numbers though and depends on add power and
frequency and types of near tasks.
>Also, returns. They claim they'll redo the lenses, sell me a
>different frame, etc., etc.. for 60 days. I am happy to take glasses
>I don't like back, but isn't there some point whether they have lost
>all profits? I don't know what the mark up was on this ($389 lenses,
>$84 frames) and I don't want to abuse the privilege. How can they
>just keep making lenses?
$389 sounds a little high (for Walmart) unless the lenses are both AR coated and
Transitions, and maybe 1.67 index.
I would be more concerned about them wasting your time if they can't get it
right on the first try, and ultimately whether they're capable of getting it
right at all.
Hope this helps,
Robert Martellaro
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Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
Wauwatosa Wi.
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"Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself."
- Richard Feynman
michael toulch - 21 Feb 2007 13:37 GMT
On Feb 14, 12:29 pm, andyj1...@gmail.com wrote:
> I have been wearing Varilux Comfort progressives - very mild script,
> 1.5 add. Went in for new specs. Main change was add went to +2.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> $84 frames) and I don't want to abuse the privilege. How can they
> just keep making lenses?
if you were ok with the comforts, stick with the comforts (choose a
frame with appropriate dimensions for comfort).
Mark A - 21 Feb 2007 19:36 GMT
> On Feb 14, 12:29 pm, andyj1...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I have been wearing Varilux Comfort progressives - very mild script,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>> $84 frames) and I don't want to abuse the privilege. How can they
>> just keep making lenses?
After doing some research, I have found out that the "NikonEyes Customized"
sold at Walmart in the US for $389 is really the Essilor Accolade Freedom,
which is the Essilor version of the Varilux Physio 360 (similar to the way
that the Natural is the Essilor version of Varilux Comfort). The Physio 360
is generally considered to be a very good lens and costs a few hundred more
from most opticals. But remember that proper fitting is extremely important
in any progressive.
Essilor owns Varilux and they own the Nikon brand name in the US. The
NikonEyes Customized is not made at the Walmart optical lab, it made by the
Essilor Avisia lab in Dallas.
The Nikon i, W, Go, etc lenses are made by Nikon in Japan (or elsewhere) and
are not usually sold in the US. The NikonEyes models are made by Essilor in
the US.
One more thing. If the optician determines that the problems are their own
fault (either the optician, OD, or the lab), then a remake will not count
against you. If the lens and fitting is fine but you are not satisfied with
it, then you usually get one chance to choose another lens brand. But I am
sure about the specific policy of Walmart.