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4th annual: Are shoes the cause of vision problems?

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James Semmel - 10 Jan 2007 16:02 GMT
TO: All vision researchers, doctors, and patients.

The purpose of this yearly post is to stimulate interest and discussion
about the biomechanical effects of shoes on "age-related" degenerative
conditions, such as vision problems.  Chiropodist Dr. Simon J. Wikler
pioneered efforts to understand the influences of shoes in the 1950's,
but his work was neglected during the subsequent drug- and diet-based
approaches to medicine.  However, the prolific footwear historian and
podiatrist Dr. William A. Rossi clearly demonstrated throughout his
publications that shoes influence the posture of the human body.
Therefore, using the posture-based approaches to medicine of the
distinguished orthopedist Dr. Joel E. Goldthwait, I have expanded Dr.
Wikler's insightful work to include a variety of illnesses and
conditions whose causes remain unknown.

Vision problems are just examples of conditions that result from the
habitual use of shoes, particularly during the formative, childhood
years.  It really makes no sense for humans to have four relatively
sharp senses of hearing, feeling, tasting, and smelling, but an
extremely poor-quality fifth one of vision.  Indeed, the distinguishing
factor is that none of the other senses share the fantastic muscular
control necessary for proper organic functioning.  The eye is thus
directly subject to unnatural postural strain with imbalanced feet.
After walking around in shoes for several years--and it does not take
very long at all--the multiple, tiny muscles of a person's eyes have
been subjected to tremendous postural stress.  Faulty body mechanics
seems to be responsible for myopia, hyperopia, astigmatism, presbyopia,
strabismus, amblyopia, or other degenerate conditions, but shoes
apparently also influence internal diseases such as cataracts, macular
degeneration, glaucoma, and others.

You may find my thesis regarding shoes and disease on the Internet at:
http://www.shoebusters.com
Thank you very much for considering my novel approach.

James Semmel
Albuquerque, New Mexico
William Stacy - 10 Jan 2007 18:39 GMT
>Vision problems are just examples of conditions that result from the
>habitual use of shoes, particularly during the formative, childhood
>years.  
>  

Please redirect your ideas to our resident expert on such matters:

Dr. Otis Brown

otisbrown@pat.net

He will be glad to disseminate your information to the appropriate
recipients.

w.stacy, o.d.
otisbrown@pa.net - 10 Jan 2007 21:51 GMT
Dear Second-opinion friends,

Of course, some people believed that the earth was
the center of the universe -- and others did not.

I believe that the natural eye is DYNAMIC will therefore change its
refractive
STATE as shown in the blue-tint animation of a population of
natural eyes.  See:

http://vision.berkeley.edu/wildsoet/myopiaprimer.html

Others believe that the natural eye simply will not
change its refractive STATE by -2 diopters in six months when
you place -3 diopter lens on it.

But I believe in the scientific facts, and not
the traditional belief system that is AGAINST
these scientific facts.

Let the majority opinion (flat earth) and the second opinion
(round earth) continue to thrive with these pleasant
scientific discussions.

Enjoy,

Otis

> >Vision problems are just examples of conditions that result from the
> >habitual use of shoes, particularly during the formative, childhood
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>
> w.stacy, o.d.
otisbrown@pa.net - 11 Jan 2007 00:42 GMT
And with all due respect, William, I suggest the following:

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy ...

                                   Hamlet, Act I
                                   W. Shakespeare

Otis

> >Vision problems are just examples of conditions that result from the
> >habitual use of shoes, particularly during the formative, childhood
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>
> w.stacy, o.d.
Bob S. - 10 Jan 2007 22:42 GMT
>[...]
>Vision problems are just examples of conditions that result from the
>habitual use of shoes [...]

I took a look at your web site.  You do indeed have an very interesing
and unusual sense of humor.  
How many stiffs have you suckered in so far?  :-)
James Semmel - 11 Jan 2007 16:57 GMT
Bob,

You might be the only one so far, but I'll have to double-check.

Glad to 'see' you found the website 'illuminating'.

james

> >[...]
> >Vision problems are just examples of conditions that result from the
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> and unusual sense of humor.
> How many stiffs have you suckered in so far?  :-)
serebel - 12 Jan 2007 01:14 GMT
Do people really understand the "dynamic nature" of the human foot?

If one adds a plus size to your shoes, does it stop ones foot from
getting bigger?
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 12 Jan 2007 04:35 GMT
indeed.  usually most podiatrists embrace a "shoe-box" theory of the
foot that suggests that once the adult shoe size is reached it remains
"static" throughout the remainder of a persons life.  my good friend
Albert Einstein, however, realized that all things are relative.  And
so its quite obvious that reducing the shoe size can actually shrink
the foot while increasing it will cause the foot to lengthen even
though there is no data to support it and statistical analysis has
proven it not to be true in multiple published papers.  all those
people are stupid-- just take it on faith.

> Do people really understand the "dynamic nature" of the human foot?
>
> If one adds a plus size to your shoes, does it stop ones foot from
> getting bigger?
otisbrown@pa.net - 13 Jan 2007 15:05 GMT
Well, PClar, I am pleased you are good friends with Albert.

PClar>  my good friend Albert Einstein, however, realized that all
things are relative.

OtisYou will enjoy his quotes.  And back in 1905, everyone thought
that Albert has slipped off the "deep end" because he
said that material objects must change shape as speed
increased.  I mean that has got to be impossible, right?
What does length have to do with speed.  Enjoy!

    "It seems that the human mind has first to construct forms
independently before we can find them in things.  Kepler's
marvelous achievement is a particularly fine example of the truth
that knowledge cannot spring from experience alone, but only from
the comparison of the inventions of the mind with observed fact."

    Albert Einstein

    The formulation of a problem is often far more essential than
its solution, which may be a matter of mathematical or
experimental skill.  To raise new questions, new possibilities, to
regard old problems from a new angle, requires creative
imagination and marks real advances in science.

    Albert Einstein

    "Any intelligent fool can make thing bigger, more complex,
and more violent.  It takes a touch of genius -- as a lot of
courage -- to move in the opposite direction.

    Albert Einstein

    Science is the attempt to make the chaotic diversity of our
sense-experience correspond to a logically uniform system of
thought.

    Albert Einstein

    It is the theory that decides what we can observe.

    Albert Einstein

    The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a
faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and
has forgotten the gift.

    Einstein

    Physical concepts are free creations of the human mind, and
are not, however it may seem, uniquely determined by the external
world.   In our endeavor to understand reality we are somewhat like
a man trying to understand the mechanism of a closed watch.  He
sees the face and the moving hands, even hears it ticking, but he
has no way of opening the case.  If he is ingenious he may form
some picture of the mechanism which could be responsible for all
the things he observes, but he may never be quite sure his picture
is the only one which could explain his observations.  He will
never be able to compare his picture the real mechanism and he
cannot even imagine the possibility of the meaning of such a
comparison.

    Albert Einstein

    "The important thing is to not stop questioning.  Curiosity
has its own reason for existing".

    Albert Einstein

    "The skeptic will say, 'It may well be true that this system
of equations is reasonable from a logical standpoint, but this
does not prove that it corresponds to nature.' You are right, dear
skeptic.  Experience alone can decide on truth.

    Albert Einstein

    "Two things are infinite:  the universe and human stupidity;
and I'm not sure about the universe."

    Albert Einstein

p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
> indeed.  usually most podiatrists embrace a "shoe-box" theory of the
> foot that suggests that once the adult shoe size is reached it remains
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> > If one adds a plus size to your shoes, does it stop ones foot from
> > getting bigger?
Mike Tyner - 13 Jan 2007 19:32 GMT
> OtisYou will enjoy his quotes.  And back in 1905, everyone thought
> that Albert has slipped off the "deep end" because he
> said that material objects must change shape as speed
> increased.  I mean that has got to be impossible, right?
> What does length have to do with speed.  Enjoy!

Sure, and subsequent observations have proven him correct.

But Grosvenor, Shotwell, Ong, Gwiazda, Parnissen and several others have
failed trying to confirm YOUR hypothesis.

So either they were incompetent, or you, sir, are no Einstein.

-MT
otisbrown@pa.net - 13 Jan 2007 19:54 GMT
And, just to be clear, Clar,

PClar>  my good friend Albert Einstein, however, realized that all
           things are relative.

The Blue-Tint dynamic eye paradigm is a relativistic concept
for the behavior of all natural and normal eye, measured
in terms of refractive STATE, and NOT refractive ERROR.

http://vision.berkeley.edu/wildsoet/myopiaprimer.html

The Blue-Tint dynamic eye paradigm is a relativistic concept
for the behavior of all natural and normal eye, measured
in terms of refractive STATE, and NOT refractive ERROR.

Where the refractive STATE is measured by Retinoscope/Cycloplegic.

I suggest just keeping the concept clear.

Change the AVERAGE value of accommodation with a -3 dioper lens.

Ask the question, does the natural eye change its refractive STATE
as per the change in accommodation by -3 diopters or not.

The blue-tint paradigm answers the scientific question neatly.

We disagree about concept (your shoe-box theory, or  box-camera
concept) versus the performance of the natural eye's objective
behavior.

Otis

> Well, PClar, I am pleased you are good friends with Albert.
>
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> > > If one adds a plus size to your shoes, does it stop ones foot from
> > > getting bigger?
Dan Abel - 13 Jan 2007 21:08 GMT
> We disagree about concept (your shoe-box theory, or  box-camera
> concept) versus the performance of the natural eye's objective
> behavior.

The paper bag theory is clearly superior.
Mike Tyner - 14 Jan 2007 00:41 GMT
> The Blue-Tint dynamic eye paradigm is a relativistic concept
> for the behavior of all natural and normal eye, measured
> in terms of refractive STATE, and NOT refractive ERROR.

So you use different units? When is a diopter not a diopter?

> Ask the question, does the natural eye change its refractive STATE
> as per the change in accommodation by -3 diopters or not.

I did. It doesn't in humans, after infancy.

And hyperopes don't get myopia by taking off their glasses.

> The blue-tint paradigm answers the scientific question neatly.

For the first year of life. Testing humans after age 6 you find a different
story. If you look. You don't look.

> We disagree about concept (your shoe-box theory, or  box-camera
> concept) versus the performance of the natural eye's objective
> behavior.

No, we disagree about what happens to real people in real life. If you had
any experience, we would not disagree.

Next time you speak with Dr. Wildsoet, ask her why human adolescents get
just as nearsighted when they take off their glasses. Ask her how long her
blue-tint paradigm persists in humans. She doesn't claim it applies to
everybody and she knows there is evidence it doesn't persist into school
age.

Yes, myopia responds to close work. It matters how close you work, and how
long you work up close.

But wearing lenses doesn't make any real difference in by school-age.

We lost Otis several paragraphs ago. For those who might still be reading,
some apologetics: I started optometry school 25 years ago intent on using
every wit and technique available to modify or "control" human refractive
error. The problem was I took a few quarters of graduate statistics and
experimental design, and found when basic statistical principles were
maintained, refractive error was stubbornly durable to _any_ manipulations
of spectacle lens power, for good or ill.

Refractive errors like hyperopia, astigmatism, and myopia do follow
patterns, making it predictable to some degree. But whether we wear these
glasses or those glasses or no glasses, seems to make little difference in
how they progress. So the object of refracting and prescribing spectacles is
NOT to control the course of the conditions, but to facilitate comfort and
performance.

More if anybody cares...

-MT
otisbrown@pa.net - 14 Jan 2007 04:19 GMT
Mike,

In other words, you agree with the blue-tint paradigm for all
young eyes, primate or human up to the age of 5, and
then the eye is "frozen" and will not change its refractive STATE
regardless
of average value of accommodation induced by EITHER
environment or an applied -3 diopter lens.

Is this your theory?

Otis

> > The Blue-Tint dynamic eye paradigm is a relativistic concept
> > for the behavior of all natural and normal eye, measured
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>
> -MT
Mike Tyner - 14 Jan 2007 06:37 GMT
> In other words, you agree with the blue-tint paradigm for all
> young eyes, primate or human up to the age of 5, and
> then the eye is "frozen" and will not change its refractive STATE
> regardless
> of average value of accommodation induced by EITHER
> environment or an applied -3 diopter lens.

Environment still influences myopia, even into adulthood, but only a little.
Lenses don't make a difference.

Accommodation is not the mechanism. Else hyperopia would go away.

> Is this your theory?

No. It's my experience.

You haven't any, but you're going to contradict me again.

-MT
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 14 Jan 2007 18:49 GMT
it's not a theory otis, it is simply the current state of the
collective knowledge of medical science regarding changes in the
refractive state of the human eye-- taking into account all of the
statistical scientific studies that have been performed so far.

you, on the other hand, prefer to ignor many studies and instead
propose a theory (which is an older theory that has been tested and
disproven multiple times) that is not consistent with the completed
research results.  And is also not consistent with clinical
observations from eye doctors.  yet you don't care!   you choose to be
a proponent of such a theory anyway and choose to ignor all the proof
which contradicts it.  perhaps old retired engineers who live in
pennsylvania are "gifted" and understand the human body without the
need to rely on scientific data or experience.  so be it.  we all know
you well enough by now otis-- you are not a logical man.  ignorance is
bliss.

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> Mike,
>
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> >
> > -MT
 
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