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4th annual: Are shoes the cause of vision problems?
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James Semmel - 10 Jan 2007 16:02 GMT TO: All vision researchers, doctors, and patients.
The purpose of this yearly post is to stimulate interest and discussion about the biomechanical effects of shoes on "age-related" degenerative conditions, such as vision problems. Chiropodist Dr. Simon J. Wikler pioneered efforts to understand the influences of shoes in the 1950's, but his work was neglected during the subsequent drug- and diet-based approaches to medicine. However, the prolific footwear historian and podiatrist Dr. William A. Rossi clearly demonstrated throughout his publications that shoes influence the posture of the human body. Therefore, using the posture-based approaches to medicine of the distinguished orthopedist Dr. Joel E. Goldthwait, I have expanded Dr. Wikler's insightful work to include a variety of illnesses and conditions whose causes remain unknown.
Vision problems are just examples of conditions that result from the habitual use of shoes, particularly during the formative, childhood years. It really makes no sense for humans to have four relatively sharp senses of hearing, feeling, tasting, and smelling, but an extremely poor-quality fifth one of vision. Indeed, the distinguishing factor is that none of the other senses share the fantastic muscular control necessary for proper organic functioning. The eye is thus directly subject to unnatural postural strain with imbalanced feet. After walking around in shoes for several years--and it does not take very long at all--the multiple, tiny muscles of a person's eyes have been subjected to tremendous postural stress. Faulty body mechanics seems to be responsible for myopia, hyperopia, astigmatism, presbyopia, strabismus, amblyopia, or other degenerate conditions, but shoes apparently also influence internal diseases such as cataracts, macular degeneration, glaucoma, and others.
You may find my thesis regarding shoes and disease on the Internet at: http://www.shoebusters.com Thank you very much for considering my novel approach.
James Semmel Albuquerque, New Mexico
William Stacy - 10 Jan 2007 18:39 GMT >Vision problems are just examples of conditions that result from the >habitual use of shoes, particularly during the formative, childhood >years. > Please redirect your ideas to our resident expert on such matters:
Dr. Otis Brown
otisbrown@pat.net
He will be glad to disseminate your information to the appropriate recipients.
w.stacy, o.d.
otisbrown@pa.net - 10 Jan 2007 21:51 GMT Dear Second-opinion friends,
Of course, some people believed that the earth was the center of the universe -- and others did not.
I believe that the natural eye is DYNAMIC will therefore change its refractive STATE as shown in the blue-tint animation of a population of natural eyes. See:
http://vision.berkeley.edu/wildsoet/myopiaprimer.html
Others believe that the natural eye simply will not change its refractive STATE by -2 diopters in six months when you place -3 diopter lens on it.
But I believe in the scientific facts, and not the traditional belief system that is AGAINST these scientific facts.
Let the majority opinion (flat earth) and the second opinion (round earth) continue to thrive with these pleasant scientific discussions.
Enjoy,
Otis
> >Vision problems are just examples of conditions that result from the > >habitual use of shoes, particularly during the formative, childhood [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > w.stacy, o.d. otisbrown@pa.net - 11 Jan 2007 00:42 GMT And with all due respect, William, I suggest the following:
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy ...
Hamlet, Act I W. Shakespeare
Otis
> >Vision problems are just examples of conditions that result from the > >habitual use of shoes, particularly during the formative, childhood [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > w.stacy, o.d. Bob S. - 10 Jan 2007 22:42 GMT >[...] >Vision problems are just examples of conditions that result from the >habitual use of shoes [...] I took a look at your web site. You do indeed have an very interesing and unusual sense of humor. How many stiffs have you suckered in so far? :-)
James Semmel - 11 Jan 2007 16:57 GMT Bob,
You might be the only one so far, but I'll have to double-check.
Glad to 'see' you found the website 'illuminating'.
james
> >[...] > >Vision problems are just examples of conditions that result from the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and unusual sense of humor. > How many stiffs have you suckered in so far? :-) serebel - 12 Jan 2007 01:14 GMT Do people really understand the "dynamic nature" of the human foot?
If one adds a plus size to your shoes, does it stop ones foot from getting bigger?
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 12 Jan 2007 04:35 GMT indeed. usually most podiatrists embrace a "shoe-box" theory of the foot that suggests that once the adult shoe size is reached it remains "static" throughout the remainder of a persons life. my good friend Albert Einstein, however, realized that all things are relative. And so its quite obvious that reducing the shoe size can actually shrink the foot while increasing it will cause the foot to lengthen even though there is no data to support it and statistical analysis has proven it not to be true in multiple published papers. all those people are stupid-- just take it on faith.
> Do people really understand the "dynamic nature" of the human foot? > > If one adds a plus size to your shoes, does it stop ones foot from > getting bigger? otisbrown@pa.net - 13 Jan 2007 15:05 GMT Well, PClar, I am pleased you are good friends with Albert.
PClar> my good friend Albert Einstein, however, realized that all things are relative.
OtisYou will enjoy his quotes. And back in 1905, everyone thought that Albert has slipped off the "deep end" because he said that material objects must change shape as speed increased. I mean that has got to be impossible, right? What does length have to do with speed. Enjoy!
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p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
> indeed. usually most podiatrists embrace a "shoe-box" theory of the > foot that suggests that once the adult shoe size is reached it remains [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > If one adds a plus size to your shoes, does it stop ones foot from > > getting bigger? Mike Tyner - 13 Jan 2007 19:32 GMT > OtisYou will enjoy his quotes. And back in 1905, everyone thought > that Albert has slipped off the "deep end" because he > said that material objects must change shape as speed > increased. I mean that has got to be impossible, right? > What does length have to do with speed. Enjoy! Sure, and subsequent observations have proven him correct.
But Grosvenor, Shotwell, Ong, Gwiazda, Parnissen and several others have failed trying to confirm YOUR hypothesis.
So either they were incompetent, or you, sir, are no Einstein.
-MT
otisbrown@pa.net - 13 Jan 2007 19:54 GMT And, just to be clear, Clar,
PClar> my good friend Albert Einstein, however, realized that all things are relative.
The Blue-Tint dynamic eye paradigm is a relativistic concept for the behavior of all natural and normal eye, measured in terms of refractive STATE, and NOT refractive ERROR.
http://vision.berkeley.edu/wildsoet/myopiaprimer.html
The Blue-Tint dynamic eye paradigm is a relativistic concept for the behavior of all natural and normal eye, measured in terms of refractive STATE, and NOT refractive ERROR.
Where the refractive STATE is measured by Retinoscope/Cycloplegic.
I suggest just keeping the concept clear.
Change the AVERAGE value of accommodation with a -3 dioper lens.
Ask the question, does the natural eye change its refractive STATE as per the change in accommodation by -3 diopters or not.
The blue-tint paradigm answers the scientific question neatly.
We disagree about concept (your shoe-box theory, or box-camera concept) versus the performance of the natural eye's objective behavior.
Otis
> Well, PClar, I am pleased you are good friends with Albert. > [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > > > If one adds a plus size to your shoes, does it stop ones foot from > > > getting bigger? Dan Abel - 13 Jan 2007 21:08 GMT > We disagree about concept (your shoe-box theory, or box-camera > concept) versus the performance of the natural eye's objective > behavior. The paper bag theory is clearly superior.
Mike Tyner - 14 Jan 2007 00:41 GMT > The Blue-Tint dynamic eye paradigm is a relativistic concept > for the behavior of all natural and normal eye, measured > in terms of refractive STATE, and NOT refractive ERROR. So you use different units? When is a diopter not a diopter?
> Ask the question, does the natural eye change its refractive STATE > as per the change in accommodation by -3 diopters or not. I did. It doesn't in humans, after infancy.
And hyperopes don't get myopia by taking off their glasses.
> The blue-tint paradigm answers the scientific question neatly. For the first year of life. Testing humans after age 6 you find a different story. If you look. You don't look.
> We disagree about concept (your shoe-box theory, or box-camera > concept) versus the performance of the natural eye's objective > behavior. No, we disagree about what happens to real people in real life. If you had any experience, we would not disagree.
Next time you speak with Dr. Wildsoet, ask her why human adolescents get just as nearsighted when they take off their glasses. Ask her how long her blue-tint paradigm persists in humans. She doesn't claim it applies to everybody and she knows there is evidence it doesn't persist into school age.
Yes, myopia responds to close work. It matters how close you work, and how long you work up close.
But wearing lenses doesn't make any real difference in by school-age.
We lost Otis several paragraphs ago. For those who might still be reading, some apologetics: I started optometry school 25 years ago intent on using every wit and technique available to modify or "control" human refractive error. The problem was I took a few quarters of graduate statistics and experimental design, and found when basic statistical principles were maintained, refractive error was stubbornly durable to _any_ manipulations of spectacle lens power, for good or ill.
Refractive errors like hyperopia, astigmatism, and myopia do follow patterns, making it predictable to some degree. But whether we wear these glasses or those glasses or no glasses, seems to make little difference in how they progress. So the object of refracting and prescribing spectacles is NOT to control the course of the conditions, but to facilitate comfort and performance.
More if anybody cares...
-MT
otisbrown@pa.net - 14 Jan 2007 04:19 GMT Mike,
In other words, you agree with the blue-tint paradigm for all young eyes, primate or human up to the age of 5, and then the eye is "frozen" and will not change its refractive STATE regardless of average value of accommodation induced by EITHER environment or an applied -3 diopter lens.
Is this your theory?
Otis
> > The Blue-Tint dynamic eye paradigm is a relativistic concept > > for the behavior of all natural and normal eye, measured [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > -MT Mike Tyner - 14 Jan 2007 06:37 GMT > In other words, you agree with the blue-tint paradigm for all > young eyes, primate or human up to the age of 5, and > then the eye is "frozen" and will not change its refractive STATE > regardless > of average value of accommodation induced by EITHER > environment or an applied -3 diopter lens. Environment still influences myopia, even into adulthood, but only a little. Lenses don't make a difference.
Accommodation is not the mechanism. Else hyperopia would go away.
> Is this your theory? No. It's my experience.
You haven't any, but you're going to contradict me again.
-MT
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 14 Jan 2007 18:49 GMT it's not a theory otis, it is simply the current state of the collective knowledge of medical science regarding changes in the refractive state of the human eye-- taking into account all of the statistical scientific studies that have been performed so far.
you, on the other hand, prefer to ignor many studies and instead propose a theory (which is an older theory that has been tested and disproven multiple times) that is not consistent with the completed research results. And is also not consistent with clinical observations from eye doctors. yet you don't care! you choose to be a proponent of such a theory anyway and choose to ignor all the proof which contradicts it. perhaps old retired engineers who live in pennsylvania are "gifted" and understand the human body without the need to rely on scientific data or experience. so be it. we all know you well enough by now otis-- you are not a logical man. ignorance is bliss.
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> Mike, > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > > > -MT
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