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G17 - 07 Jan 2007 21:28 GMT
I've been wearing the same pair of prescription glasses for the past 5
years and have noticed no real significant changes in that time.  When
examined by an O.D. in December 2001 I was prescribed the following
which I still wear to this day:

    SPH.    CYL.    AXIS
O.D.    -225    -75    105
O.S.    -250    -75    095

In December 2005 I went to a different O.D. for a way overdue exam. He
prescribed:

    SPH.    CYL.    AXIS
O.D.    -2.50    -1.25    095
O.S.    -2.50    -1.00    085

This doctor told me that the changes were pretty minor and that I
would only notice a slight difference.  So I passed on getting new
lenses at that time.

Then 7 months later, in July 2006 I was exposed to a fiber optic cable
at work.  My co-worker plugged in the other end of the cable while I
was removing the protective covering on the other end.  At most I was
exposed for maybe a second or two and wasn't seeing spots or anything
so I figured there was no damage.  I did however go to an M.D. for a
precautionary exam and thankfully there was no damage done.  At that
same time I also asked the doctor for an eye exam.  This doctor
prescribed:

    SPH.    CYL.    AXIS
O.D.    -350    1.00    15
O.S.    -375    1.25    04

Now I'll admit I have no clue as to what these numbers mean but this
third prescription just looks way out of line considering I haven't
noticed any major changes in my vision even with 5 year old glasses.
Is this kind of change possible within the span of only 7 months from
the previous exam?

Also, I've been recently shopping around for a new pair of glasses
that are preferably frameless.  At a few places where I've shown my
latest prescription I have been told that it is a pretty high
prescription and that the thickness of the lenses may be a problem for
frameless glasses.

So do I trust the prescription by the M.D. or should I just go back to
an O.D. and get another exam?

Thanks
otisbrown@pa.net - 07 Jan 2007 21:39 GMT
Dear G17,

Go back to the OD for another refractive check.

Otis

> I've been wearing the same pair of prescription glasses for the past 5
> years and have noticed no real significant changes in that time.  When
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>
> Thanks
William Stacy, O.D. - 07 Jan 2007 22:22 GMT
Disregard what our resident quack said.  The m.d. Rx is almost identical
to the second o.d. Rx, just written in a different format.

w.stacy, o.d.

> I've been wearing the same pair of prescription glasses for the past 5
> years and have noticed no real significant changes in that time.  When
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>
> Thanks
VicTek - 07 Jan 2007 22:43 GMT
snip...
> Now I'll admit I have no clue as to what these numbers mean but this
> third prescription just looks way out of line considering I haven't
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> So do I trust the prescription by the M.D. or should I just go back to
> an O.D. and get another exam?

As an eyeglasses wearer I would agree that's a pretty big prescription
change.  If it were me I'd want to make sure it was correct before investing
in new lenses and frames.
William Stacy, O.D. - 07 Jan 2007 22:56 GMT
> As an eyeglasses wearer I would agree that's a pretty big prescription
> change.  If it were me I'd want to make sure it was correct before investing
> in new lenses and frames.

O.D.    -350    1.00    15
O.S.    -375    1.25    04

The above, which is written in + cyl format, translates directly to

R. -2.50 -1.00 x 105
L. -2.50 -1.25 x  94

which is not so much different from either of the o.d. Rxs:

    SPH.    CYL.    AXIS
O.D.    -225    -75    105
O.S.    -250    -75    095

In December 2005 I went to a different O.D. for a way overdue exam. He
prescribed:

    SPH.    CYL.    AXIS
O.D.    -2.50    -1.25    095
O.S.    -2.50    -1.00    085
Mark A - 08 Jan 2007 01:20 GMT
> O.D.    -350    1.00    15
> O.S.    -375    1.25    04
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> O.D.    -2.50    -1.25    095
> O.S.    -2.50    -1.00    085

I would use the original Rx with the minus cyl format for the OD. There are
many idiot dispensers who will assume the cyl should have had a minus sign
and get it wrong.
G17 - 08 Jan 2007 22:41 GMT
>O.D.    -350    1.00    15
>O.S.    -375    1.25    04
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>O.D.    -2.50    -1.25    095
>O.S.    -2.50    -1.00    085

This makes things much clearer now.  I did not realize prescriptions
could be made into two different formats.  Thanks for the help
everyone.
Dan Abel - 08 Jan 2007 16:59 GMT
> I've been wearing the same pair of prescription glasses for the past 5
> years and have noticed no real significant changes in that time.  When
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> Is this kind of change possible within the span of only 7 months from
> the previous exam?

For some reason, probably historical, ODs write prescriptions with minus
cylinder, and MDs write them with positive.  There is an easy
translation which somebody else already posted.  If you have this
filled, make sure the optician understands that it was written by an MD.
William Stacy, O.D. - 08 Jan 2007 18:55 GMT
> For some reason, probably historical, ODs write prescriptions with minus
> cylinder, and MDs write them with positive.  There is an easy
> translation which somebody else already posted.  If you have this
> filled, make sure the optician understands that it was written by an MD.

Almost, but not quite.  It is partly historical, but many m.d.s write in
- cyl just as some o.d.s write in + cyl.  It's mostly to do with the
kind of phoropter or refractor in their exam room.  The older style of +
cyl refractors actually have + cyl lenses in the toric lens wheel, and
it's easier for the doc to just write off the machine rather than
convert.  Labs almost always convert to - cyl form because that's how
most modern lens grinding is done.  There are still some + cyl lens
machines around (these  grind the cyl on the FRONT (convex or +) surface
whereas most modern lenses have the cyl on the BACK (concave or -) surface.

One other reason some docs actually prefer the older method is that
certain IOL calculations seem easier for them.  Can't remember why, but
I'm pretty sure it's true.

w.stacy, o.d.
Dan Abel - 08 Jan 2007 19:14 GMT
> > For some reason, probably historical, ODs write prescriptions with minus
> > cylinder, and MDs write them with positive.  There is an easy
> > translation which somebody else already posted.  If you have this
> > filled, make sure the optician understands that it was written by an MD.
>
> Almost, but not quite.

It was an oversimplification.  Why my old OD wrote my contact lens
prescription with plus cyl and my glasses prescription with minus is
beyond me.
William Stacy, O.D. - 08 Jan 2007 19:35 GMT
  Why my old OD wrote my contact lens
> prescription with plus cyl and my glasses prescription with minus is
> beyond me.

Now there's a mystery, since no CLs that I know of are specified that
way. The only thing I can think of he has an old +cyl refractor in his
CL exam room and is too lazy to do the conversion...
Dan Abel - 08 Jan 2007 19:57 GMT
>    Why my old OD wrote my contact lens
> > prescription with plus cyl and my glasses prescription with minus is
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> way. The only thing I can think of he has an old +cyl refractor in his
> CL exam room and is too lazy to do the conversion...

I was mistaken.  The box says the power is +1.75 and the cyl is -1.75.  
I am plano in both eyes, so I don't know what that means.
William Stacy, O.D. - 08 Jan 2007 20:58 GMT
> I was mistaken.  The box says the power is +1.75 and the cyl is -1.75.  
> I am plano in both eyes, so I don't know what that means.

It means the contact lens will have a power of +1.75 along whatever axis
is specified, and 0.00 along the meridian that is at right angle to the
axis.  If you are 0.00 in both eyes with no astigmatism, these contact
lenses are not yours, and I'd wonder why you have contacts at all.
Dan Abel - 08 Jan 2007 21:21 GMT
> > I was mistaken.  The box says the power is +1.75 and the cyl is -1.75.  
> > I am plano in both eyes, so I don't know what that means.
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> axis.  If you are 0.00 in both eyes with no astigmatism, these contact
> lenses are not yours, and I'd wonder why you have contacts at all.

I have astigmatism.  Here is my prescription from last October:

OD +.25 +1.50 130
OS PL  +.25    60

add of 2.25
William Stacy, O.D. - 08 Jan 2007 23:42 GMT
OK then that CL is for the right eye, and the axis on it should be about
40 + or - 10 degrees or so, no?  He is overcorrecting your astigmatism,
with which I disagree.

I'm wondering if you wouldn't be happier with a pair of glasses:

R + 1.75 - 1.50 x 40
L + 0.25 - 0.25 x 150

add +2.25

in some kind of bifocal, trifocal or progressive.  Why would you want to
mess with contacts?

If you really want to be free of glasses, you might try a
+2.50 - 1.25 x 40 or so toric soft lens
on that right eye, for a decent monovision deal, unless the corrected
acuity on either eye is not up to par (20/20 or close to it), in which
case don't bother.

w.stacy, o.d.

>>>I was mistaken.  The box says the power is +1.75 and the cyl is -1.75.  
>>>I am plano in both eyes, so I don't know what that means.
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>
> add of 2.25
Dan Abel - 09 Jan 2007 18:50 GMT
> OK then that CL is for the right eye, and the axis on it should be about
> 40 + or - 10 degrees or so, no?  He is overcorrecting your astigmatism,
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> acuity on either eye is not up to par (20/20 or close to it), in which
> case don't bother.

You hit the nail on the head.  I'm not bothering.  I've had a retinal
detachment in the right eye, and have lost vision.  I only use my left
eye.  I last used my contact in October.  I wore it infrequently for the
last three years.  It just doesn't help my vision.  I have 20/20 vision
in the left eye.  I am heavily dependent on OTC reading glasses (I have
IOLs in both eyes).

I plan to try the contact again sometime in the next few months.  I have
glasses.

My cataract surgeries were five years apart.  I used contacts in
between.  I was plano in the right eye, and -10 in the left.  Glasses
were not a plan.
William Stacy, O.D. - 09 Jan 2007 20:15 GMT
 I only use my left
> eye.  I last used my contact in October.  I wore it infrequently for the
> last three years.  It just doesn't help my vision.  I have 20/20 vision
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> I plan to try the contact again sometime in the next few months.  I have
> glasses.

I'm very puzzled as to why you would try it.  It's not going to help,
and might make things worse.

> My cataract surgeries were five years apart.  I used contacts in
> between.  I was plano in the right eye, and -10 in the left.  Glasses
> were not a plan.

But now they should be.  If you've only got one good eye, you need to
protect it with a good pair of general wear glasses.  Preferably in Trivex.

You cannot affort to loose you left eye to an accident.  Contacts should
not be a plan.

w.stacy, o.d.
Dan Abel - 09 Jan 2007 20:55 GMT
>   I only use my left
> > eye.  I last used my contact in October.  I wore it infrequently for the
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> I'm very puzzled as to why you would try it.  It's not going to help,
> and might make things worse.

If I just wear it for one day, will it hurt?

> > My cataract surgeries were five years apart.  I used contacts in
> > between.  I was plano in the right eye, and -10 in the left.  Glasses
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> You cannot affort to loose you left eye to an accident.  Contacts should
> not be a plan.

Contacts are not really a plan, just to try again.  I should wear
glasses, but I don't.

I watched a demonstration on the campus I used to work at a few years
ago.  They were going to demolish some tvs.  They were huge old clunkers
and the students had some sledge hammers.  I was horrified.  One student
(who I knew) wore lab glasses.  The others had no glasses.
William Stacy, O.D. - 09 Jan 2007 21:12 GMT
> Contacts are not really a plan, just to try again.  I should wear
> glasses, but I don't.

Here's the new plan:  Throw out the contacts, case and all solutions,
and never think about them again. And get a nice pair of Trivex lenses,
either in a ft-28 bifocal or an ECP progressive, and wear them full time.

> I watched a demonstration on the campus I used to work at a few years
> ago.  They were going to demolish some tvs.  They were huge old clunkers
> and the students had some sledge hammers.  I was horrified.  One student
> (who I knew) wore lab glasses.  The others had no glasses.

Can you imagine getting into a car wreck with all that glass flying and
having your only good eye unprotected?  Gives me the creeps just
thinking that you are.  Think of it like having unprotected sex with the
campus tramp.  You might not catch something, but why risk it?
Dan Abel - 09 Jan 2007 22:11 GMT
> > Contacts are not really a plan, just to try again.  I should wear
> > glasses, but I don't.
>
> Here's the new plan:  Throw out the contacts, case and all solutions,

I only have one contact (it was a six pack originally).

> and never think about them again. And get a nice pair of Trivex lenses,
> either in a ft-28 bifocal or an ECP progressive, and wear them full time.

Thanks for your concern.  You are the fourth eye professional to suggest
this.  I should do this.  I wore glasses for 35 years.  I didn't like
them.


> > I watched a demonstration on the campus I used to work at a few years
> > ago.  They were going to demolish some tvs.  They were huge old clunkers
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> thinking that you are.  Think of it like having unprotected sex with the
> campus tramp.  You might not catch something, but why risk it?

I just watched.  I was at least a hundred feet away.  I wasn't getting
anywhere near that stuff.  But those students wielding the sledge
hammers were only a few feet away.

I thought about calling the police.
 
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