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William Stacy, O.D. - 27 Dec 2006 04:30 GMT Dang. Got off the 'net for 4 or 5 days and the idiotic "Dr." Segal has managed to troll the group into a worthless batch of babble soup.
I suggest what really worked pretty well with Otis for awhile. Stop responding to his crap and he will eventually crawl down under someone elses bridge.
w.stacy, o.d.
otisbrown@pa.net - 27 Dec 2006 16:16 GMT Welcome back William,
I always suggest that science is a coversation.
And I always suggest that we have access to the preventive second-opinion.
I certainly do understand your majority opinion.
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Dear Prevention minded friends,
Subject: How preventive methods are destroyed.
The few optometrists who support the plus-preventive method receive endless abuse. This has been the history of "medicine" -- and WE SHOULD LEARN FROM IT.
So if you receive abuse -- then consider you have joined the small group of people (lay and professional) who advocate INTELLIGENT change.
This obviously means that not only the OD must change, but we the lay public must change also. Otherwise we lose our distant vision permanently.
Best,
Otis
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(Copy of letter -- Clarification in parenthesis. OSB)
1/7/96 - Jacob's Daughter
Dear Maurice and family, February 5, 1978
I just received your letter with the shocking news of the mistreatment of Maurice because of his courageous efforts to promote a cause which could be of tremendous benefit to mankind. I went through this with my Dad, but he did not make a big enough impact to bring about the kind of retaliation which Maurice is now being subjected to. In fact, Dad was afraid his license might be in jeopardy if he continued to practice; that was one of the reasons why he retired from active practice and no longer charged for his services.
I don't know if you have seen the enclosed newspaper article, (about my father's efforts with the plus-lens) but I have had some copies made to send to relatives and friends who donate or become members of IMPA (International Myopia Prevention Association). My father would have been so proud of you Maurice, as I am. I wish I knew of some way to help, but I, too, have become discouraged by the attitude of the optometrists here.
I have tried to interest someone in the profession to help me start a branch of IMPA in this area, but they don't even bother to return my phone calls. They are too busy making money, I guess.
After I received your letter, I went to the public library and checked out a book that made a tremendous impression on me at the time I read it many years ago, "The Cry and the Covenant", by Morton Thompson. It is the story of Dr. Ignaz Philipp Semmelweis' efforts to get the medical profession to accept his simple remedy of cleanliness. He was unsuccessful. The following quoted passages are apropos.
"Do you know," said Arneth slowly, "it's true of your discovery as it has been of every discovery in this whole history of medicine. When we take our medical oath we undertake to lengthen life and ease suffering. We are all united in seeking new means. And every time a man has come forward with a demonstrable truth, a remedy for good, the profession seems to have done its best to crush the discover and hide the discovery. No quackery -- no criminality -- nothing seems to make us so furious as a discovery." (Page 367)
In reply to a statement by one of his few medical friends, who has just told Semmelwiess that he is being called a fool, he replies:
"Well they could call me an adulterer and a thief -- they can spit on me and curse the mother who bore me -- and if they wash their hands I will smile at them. I will humbly thank them. I will get down on my knees and praise the breath that calls me fool. Only let the murdering dogs wash their hands!" (Page 369)
Ignaz Philipp worked grimly on. There were evenings when he walked the streets of Buda alone, fevered for more scope, for more patients, desperate to spread the truth in a world thunderclap. And when his legs were tired and his mind had calmed at last, he made peace with things as they were. And he planned long dreams and nourished the small flame he had lit. He guarded it jealously and each month was a new hope that tomorrow, surely, tomorrow, at the very latest, the world would wake with a start and the truth would be everywhere. All his hopes were in Budapest now. From this small clinic, if he kept proving and saving, month after month, the news must one day be the world's." (Page 374)
I wish I had some influence to help you Maurice, but alas, there is nothing I can do except to let you know how I feel about you and the dedication you are showing. Perhaps after Rehm's book ("The Myopia Myth") is published, which he indicates will be sometime this year, some impact may be made here in the U.S., which hopefully will carry over into your country. If not, perhaps you might consider coming to the U.S. to practice your profession; at least there seems to be more freedom here to disagree.
Please keep me advised of future developments. I'm still optimistic enough to believe that somehow the worst is over.
Sincerely,
Shira Raphaelson
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> Dang. Got off the 'net for 4 or 5 days and the idiotic "Dr." Segal has > managed to troll the group into a worthless batch of babble soup. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > w.stacy, o.d. dr.seagal@yahoo.com - 27 Dec 2006 16:39 GMT Dear all,
I burst into tears while reading the letter by Shira Raphaelson.
Here is the climax of the letter:
After I received your letter, I went to the public library and checked out a book that made a tremendous impression on me at the time I read it many years ago, "The Cry and the Covenant", by Morton Thompson. It is the story of Dr. Ignaz Philipp Semmelweis' efforts to get the medical profession to accept his simple remedy of cleanliness. He was unsuccessful. The following quoted passages are apropos.
"Do you know," said Arneth slowly, "it's true of your discovery as it has been of every discovery in this whole history of medicine. When we take our medical oath we undertake to lengthen life and ease suffering. We are all united in seeking new means. And every time a man has come forward with a demonstrable truth, a remedy for good, the profession seems to have done its best to crush the discover and hide the discovery. No quackery -- no criminality -- nothing seems to make us so furious as a discovery." (Page 367)
In reply to a statement by one of his few medical friends, who has just told Semmelwiess that he is being called a fool, he replies:
"Well they could call me an adulterer and a thief -- they can spit on me and curse the mother who bore me -- and if they wash their hands I will smile at them. I will humbly thank them. I will get down on my knees and praise the breath that calls me fool. Only let the murdering dogs wash their hands!" (Page 369)
Ignaz Philipp worked grimly on. There were evenings when he walked the streets of Buda alone, fevered for more scope, for more patients, desperate to spread the truth in a world thunderclap. And when his legs were tired and his mind had calmed at last, he made peace with things as they were. And he planned long dreams and nourished the small flame he had lit. He guarded it jealously and each month was a new hope that tomorrow, surely, tomorrow, at the very latest, the world would wake with a start and the truth would be everywhere. All his hopes were in Budapest now. From this small clinic, if he kept proving and saving, month after month, the news must one day be the world's." (Page 374)
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Hopefully, one day, the truth is everywhere.
Sincerely,
S.Seagal
> Welcome back William, > [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] > > > > w.stacy, o.d. Mike Tyner - 28 Dec 2006 00:43 GMT > Hopefully, one day, the truth is everywhere. Hopefully, one day we'll learn how to perform Student's t-test.
-MT
Dr. Leukoma - 28 Dec 2006 02:32 GMT > Dear all, > > I burst into tears while reading the letter by Shira Raphaelson. That's really sad, and I you shouldn't feel that you are toiling all alone. I, too, made some mistakes in my early career because I was exposed to unsubstantiated theories, like prescribing bifocals to prevent myopia. Many of us made the same mistakes until we wised-up and scientific studies showed us why it didn't work.
Perhaps someday optometrists will be able to prescribe lenses to prevent myopia, albeit much more scientifically, and of much more advanced optical design.
Do you by any chance use wavefront aberrometry in your practice?
DrG
Neil Brooks - 28 Dec 2006 03:21 GMT >> Dear all, >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > DrG Dowsing rod.
Dan Abel - 28 Dec 2006 21:15 GMT > > Dear all, > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > alone. I, too, made some mistakes in my early career because I was > exposed to unsubstantiated theories, I did some serious thinking this morning, and realized that the earth is really flat. I suspect that there will be some resistance to my brand new theory. I expect that there will be some naysayers.
Neil Brooks - 28 Dec 2006 21:20 GMT >>> Dear all, >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > really flat. I suspect that there will be some resistance to my brand > new theory. I expect that there will be some naysayers. It's worse than that, Dan.
Living both near the ocean AND near a couple of MAJOR geologic (seismic) faults as you (we) do ... when this thing breaks ... you're (we're) going swimming!
The Real Bev - 02 Jan 2007 07:04 GMT >>>> I burst into tears while reading the letter by Shira Raphaelson. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > faults as you (we) do ... when this thing breaks ... you're (we're) > going swimming! You really didn't pay attention in school, did you? Since the earth is flat, if it breaks the ocean will simply drain away and NOBODY is going to go swimming.
 Signature Cheers, Bev ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ No lawyering. Prosecutors will be violated.
Anon E. Muss - 27 Dec 2006 16:29 GMT >Dang. Got off the 'net for 4 or 5 days and the idiotic "Dr." Segal has > managed to troll the group into a worthless batch of babble soup. > >I suggest what really worked pretty well with Otis for awhile. Stop >responding to his crap That's what I do.
Others just can't help but feeding the trolls.
*shrug*
Dr. Leukoma - 27 Dec 2006 16:55 GMT > Dang. Got off the 'net for 4 or 5 days and the idiotic "Dr." Segal has > managed to troll the group into a worthless batch of babble soup. > > I suggest what really worked pretty well with Otis for awhile. Stop > responding to his crap and he will eventually crawl down under someone > elses bridge. While you're at it, Bill, share with me the secret of keeping spam out of your email. My filter works pretty well, but some still get through. I never answer it, BTW.
DrG
William Stacy - 28 Dec 2006 01:54 GMT Once you let your e-mail address out like you do every time you post to this forum (unless you disguise it), it's open game for the spammers, esp. spambots. The only way to really fix it is to get another e-mail address that you guard with a passion. I get about a hundred a day and am about ready to do it myself. My biggest problem is inadvertently trashing valid e-mails during my daily cleaning routine...
>While you're at it, Bill, share with me the secret of keeping spam out >of your email. My filter works pretty well, but some still get [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The Real Bev - 02 Jan 2007 07:01 GMT > Once you let your e-mail address out like you do every time you post to > this forum (unless you disguise it), it's open game for the spammers, > esp. spambots. The only way to really fix it is to get another e-mail > address that you guard with a passion. I get about a hundred a day and > am about ready to do it myself. My biggest problem is inadvertently > trashing valid e-mails during my daily cleaning routine... Gmail does a pretty good job of siphoning off the spam before you see it. I've been using a this as my public address for over a year and it collects very little spam that I actually see -- going to the website rather than using it as a POP service is very different, in that the 'junk' folder contains hundreds of messages that I can just delete at my leisure, which is an excellent reason for using your own mail program rather than webmail.
Google is definitely not evil.
>>While you're at it, Bill, share with me the secret of keeping spam out >>of your email. My filter works pretty well, but some still get >>through. I never answer it, BTW.
 Signature Cheers, Bev ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ No lawyering. Prosecutors will be violated.
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