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Can myopia be cured in 2-3 years?

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lyra - 14 Dec 2006 12:31 GMT
Hello,All,
     Here I start a topic about myopia especially high-degree myopia.
I am a myopia for nearly 13 years and now I am 24 years old. I donot
want to do LASIK because it will do operation on my eye. And I am
little afraid. And nowadays, medical technology such as gene
engineering is greatly developing. I wonna to know if gene medicine
will be coming into practise to cure myopia in the later 2-3 years.
     I really want to get rid of glasses. It is painful to wear it. It
will be much appreciated if someone is familiar with the progress of
gene engineering and could give me an answer. Thank you!
Dr. Leukoma - 14 Dec 2006 12:39 GMT
> Hello,All,
>       Here I start a topic about myopia especially high-degree myopia.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> will be much appreciated if someone is familiar with the progress of
> gene engineering and could give me an answer. Thank you!

Of all the strategies being discussed, I have never come across gene
therapy, and I try to keep abreast.

If you don't like eyeglasses, try contact lenses.  Many people wear
them successfully.

DrG
otisbrown@pa.net - 14 Dec 2006 16:30 GMT
Dear Lyra,

Myopia can not be "cured".

But if you had clear vision (and a postive refractive STATE) by
age 5, you could have avoided entry into myopia if you had,
and would accept support from a second-opinion optometrist.  See:

www.chinamyopia.org

Just one man's opinion.

Best,

Otis

> Hello,All,
>       Here I start a topic about myopia especially high-degree myopia.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> will be much appreciated if someone is familiar with the progress of
> gene engineering and could give me an answer. Thank you!
A Lieberma - 15 Dec 2006 02:08 GMT
> Dear Lyra,

Dear Lyra,

Please disregard Otis's postings.  He is not in the medical profession and
not in any position to give medical advice!

Thanks!

Allen
Dan Abel - 14 Dec 2006 18:04 GMT
> Hello,All,
>       Here I start a topic about myopia especially high-degree myopia.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> will be much appreciated if someone is familiar with the progress of
> gene engineering and could give me an answer. Thank you!

Contacts.  I was -12 and -10 and contacts were much better.

What is your prescription?
lyra - 15 Dec 2006 01:13 GMT
"Dan Abel 写道:
"

> > Hello,All,
> >       Here I start a topic about myopia especially high-degree myopia.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> What is your prescription?

I do not want to wear contact. Because someone told me that wearing
contacts will cause serious dry eyes disease. I believe it.
Neil Brooks - 15 Dec 2006 01:30 GMT
> "Dan Abel 写道:
> "
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> I do not want to wear contact. Because someone told me that wearing
> contacts will cause serious dry eyes disease. I believe it.

It's probably more accurate to say that--for SOME people, contact lenses
CAN cause dry eyes.

However, it doesn't happen overnight.  If this is a concern, you can be
monitored for it by regular visits where your eye doctor checks things
like Schirmer's values, TBUT testing, etc.

I think Dan's right: contact lenses could be a good idea for you.

Of course, I'm not an eye doctor, so ....

Good luck!
William Stacy - 15 Dec 2006 02:09 GMT
>>>I wonna to know if gene medicine
>>>will be coming into practise to cure myopia in the later 2-3 years.
>>>      

Highly unlikely.

>>>      I really want to get rid of glasses. It is painful to wear it. It
>>>will be much appreciated if someone is familiar with the progress of
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>contacts will cause serious dry eyes disease. I believe it.
>  

Someone did not tell you the whole story. You haven't posted your Rx,
but I'll guess that your best and safest fix at this time is indeed
contact lenses. If you can follow instructions carefully you can
probably wear them successfully without fear of "serious dry eye
disease". Perhaps that person was referring to lasik, which has indeed
caused some permanent dry eye problems. I've fit thousands of patients
with contacts and never seen a case like that that could be traced to
the contacts. In fact, we often successfully TREAT cases of serious dry
eyes WITH contact lenses! By far most serious dry eye conditions are (1)
in the elderly, or (2) in people who suffer from serious auto-immune
disorders, or (3) in people suffering severe malnutrition.

w.stacy, o.d.
lyra - 15 Dec 2006 08:41 GMT
"William Stacy 写道:
"

> >>>I wonna to know if gene medicine
> >>>will be coming into practise to cure myopia in the later 2-3 years.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> w.stacy, o.d.

Do you mean that Gene enginerring is not that magic to cure myopia?
Despire... I do not know why so many clever head can not think out a
practical idea of treating myopia instead of wearing glasses. My glass
is nearly -12.0 D. So high.
William Stacy, O.D. - 16 Dec 2006 19:22 GMT
> Do you mean that Gene enginerring is not that magic to cure myopia?
> Despire... I do not know why so many clever head can not think out a
> practical idea of treating myopia instead of wearing glasses. My glass
> is nearly -12.0 D. So high.

Most of the world does not consider myopia, even high myopia, a major
disease needing huge experimental investments to cure.  You might think
it is, but most do not.  So it won't happen, even if it is possible.

-12.00 spectacles are easily and cheaply and comfortably and safely
treated with about -10.00 Focus Night and Day contact lenses.

w.stacy, o.d.
William Stacy, O.D. - 16 Dec 2006 19:25 GMT
> Do you mean that Gene enginerring is not that magic to cure myopia?
> Despire... I do not know why so many clever head can not think out a
> practical idea of treating myopia instead of wearing glasses. My glass
> is nearly -12.0 D. So high.

That's EXACTLY what I mean.  Most of the scientific world does not
consider myopia, even high myopia, to be of such importance as to
justify large expenditures on a genetic or any other cure, even if
possible.

The fact is, your -12.00 spectacle disability can easily, safely,
comfortably and inexpensively fixed with -10.00 Focus Night and Day
contact lenses.

w.stacy, o.d.
William Stacy, O.D. - 16 Dec 2006 19:43 GMT
sorry for the double response on this thread. I thought my computer had
sent my first one into cyberspace.
Fidelis K - 15 Dec 2006 03:41 GMT
>I do not want to wear contact. Because someone told me that wearing
>contacts will cause serious dry eyes disease. I believe it.

You don't want to wear contacts or glasses and you don't want to have LASIK.
Then, there's no alternative for you now or in the near future.
Dan Abel - 15 Dec 2006 18:03 GMT
> "Dan Abel дµÀ£º
> "
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> I do not want to wear contact. Because someone told me that wearing
> contacts will cause serious dry eyes disease. I believe it.

If you already have a problem with dry eyes, soft contacts may make it
worse.  It did for me.  If I drank enough liquids, or put in saline
solution, it just wasn't a problem.  I resisted contacts for some
decades.  Finally, due to cataract, I was pretty much forced to try
them.  My doctor warned me that once I got used to them, that I might
prefer them to glasses.  That's what happened.  Try them, you might like
them.  If they don't work, well, then stop wearing them.  There will not
be a serious problem, you will be able to control whether you are
comfortable with them.
gudrun17 - 15 Dec 2006 19:53 GMT
> In article <1166145207.190499.54...@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> > I do not want to wear contact. Because someone told me that wearing
> > contacts will cause serious dry eyes disease. I believe it.

>If you already have a problem with dry eyes, soft contacts may make it
> worse.  It did for me.  If I drank enough liquids, or put in saline
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> be a serious problem, you will be able to control whether you are
> comfortable with them.

My prescription is -9 and -8 and I have been wearing contact lenses
since the age of 18. I started out with hard lenses, then later went to
gas permeable, and in my late 30s switched to soft lenses. I have been
wearing contact lenses for more than 30 years and no "dry eye disease".
Believe me, most people with high prescriptions would much rather wear
contact lenses than glasses. They are more comfortable (even the old
fashioined hard lenses were more comfortable for me than wearing heavy
glasses) and you will see better. As the above poster says, there's no
reason not to try contact lenses and see if you like them. If you
don't, you can go back to glasses. I now wear daily disposable Acuvue
contact lenses and can't even feel them in my eye.

Possibly the friend who told you about problems with dry eye and
contact lenses was not cleaning or maintaining his or her lenses
properly. When I was in my 20s I had friends who didn't pay attention
to lens hygiene and then were surprised when they had a problem (and I
was surprised if they didn't have a problem). But it isn't very hard to
maintain your lenses properly.

I was never interested in Lasik because contact lenses seem like such
an easy solution to myopia, at least for me.
-gudrun
otisbrown@pa.net - 16 Dec 2006 20:46 GMT
Dear Lyra,

If a negative refractive STATE is caused by genetics,
then the most probable solution would be
genetic engineering which would be used to
PREVENT the development of a negative
refractive STATE for the fundamental eye.

So I would not "wait" for genetic engineering
to change your refractive STATE from
-12 diopters to 0.0 diopters.

The other methods, Lasik, Contact lens, glasses,
do work, and I would consider these other
methods as the only practical solution
to your question.

Best,

Otis

> Hello,All,
>       Here I start a topic about myopia especially high-degree myopia.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> will be much appreciated if someone is familiar with the progress of
> gene engineering and could give me an answer. Thank you!
A Lieberma - 16 Dec 2006 21:02 GMT
> Dear Lyra,

Dear Lyra,

Please disregard Otis's postings.  He is not in the medical profession nor
in any position to give medical advice!

Thanks!

Allen
Dr Judy - 17 Dec 2006 22:41 GMT
> Hello,All,
>       Here I start a topic about myopia especially high-degree myopia.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> will be much appreciated if someone is familiar with the progress of
> gene engineering and could give me an answer. Thank you!

It is unlikely that gene therapy will ever be effective for myopia and
certainly not in the next few years.  Gene therapy is in its infancy as
a treatment for anything and so far disorders due to a single
malfunctioning protein produced by a single gene have been targeted.

Myopia is a multifactorial problem with multiple genes,  enviromental
factors and the interactions between the genes and the environmental
factors involved.  All the genes and the environmental factors have not
yet even been identified; until the genes are identified the proteins
involved and a treatment for them cannot be developed.  And even if the
genetic factors are treatable, there will remain environmental factors.

Here is a brief quote from Wikipedia regarding multifactor disorders:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_therapy#Types_of_gene_therapy

"Multigene disorders - Conditions or disorders that arise from
mutations in a single gene are the best candidates for gene therapy.
Unfortunately, some of the most commonly occurring disorders, such as
heart disease, high blood pressure, Alzheimer's disease, arthritis, and
diabetes, are caused by the combined effects of variations in many
genes. Multigene or multifactorial disorders such as these would be
especially difficult to treat effectively using gene therapy."

and a quote regarding problems with gene therapy:

"Some of the problems of gene therapy include:

Short-lived nature of gene therapy - Before gene therapy can become a
permanent cure for any condition, the therapeutic DNA introduced into
target cells must remain functional and the cells containing the
therapeutic DNA must be long-lived and stable. Problems with
integrating therapeutic DNA into the genome and the rapidly dividing
nature of many cells prevent gene therapy from achieving any long-term
benefits. Patients will have to undergo multiple rounds of gene
therapy.
Immune response - Anytime a foreign object is introduced into human
tissues, the immune system is designed to attack the invader. The risk
of stimulating the immune system in a way that reduces gene therapy
effectiveness is always a potential risk. Furthermore, the immune
system's enhanced response to invaders it has seen before makes it
difficult for gene therapy to be repeated in patients.
Problems with viral vectors - Viruses, while the carrier of choice in
most gene therapy studies, present a variety of potential problems to
the patient --toxicity, immune and inflammatory responses, and gene
control and targeting issues. In addition, there is always the fear
that the viral vector, once inside the patient, may recover its ability
to cause disease.
Multigene disorders - Conditions or disorders that arise from mutations
in a single gene are the best candidates for gene therapy.
Unfortunately, some of the most commonly occurring disorders, such as
heart disease, high blood pressure, Alzheimer's disease, arthritis, and
diabetes, are caused by the combined effects of variations in many
genes. Multigene or multifactorial disorders such as these would be
especially difficult to treat effectively using gene therapy.
Chance of inducing a tumor - If the DNA is integrated in the wrong
place in the genome, for example in a tumor suppressor gene, it could
induce a tumor.
Deaths have occurred due to gene therapy, including Jesse Gelsinger.

Dr Judy
 
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