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Neil Brooks - 13 Dec 2006 17:53 GMT
Otis?  You never HAVE answered these relevant, coherent, and important
questions.  Care to step outside yourself and--for the good of
humanity--take a shot at them?

1.      There seems to be a great deal of evidence that primates have
widely differing visual systems.  How is it that you feel so secure in
saying that "all primate eyes" behave similarly ... in ANY regard?

2.      In these monkey studies that you reference, isn't it true that
the SAME STUDIES showed that, with even BRIEF periods away from the
minus lens, the myopia was prevented?

3.      If there was no medical indication that these monkeys needed
corrective lenses at all, can you be sure that appropriate CORRECTION
of somebody's REFRACTIVE ERROR will have similar results?  If so, how?

4.      You continually claim that a minus lens causes something that
you call "stair-case myopia."  Presuming that you mean that it does
this in humans, do you have any valid clinical evidence for this
claim?

5.      You have repeatedly claimed that the Oakley-Young study is
"proof" of this "stair-case myopia" phenomenon, but Oakley-Young only
establishes that-in some people-myopia can get worse over time.  It
doesn't even CLAIM that a minus lens CAUSES this.  Please explain your
position.

6.      Also-at least in part, based on the Oakley-Young study-you
recommend that people use plus lenses to prevent myopia.  Are you
aware that the only people in the Oakley-Young study for whom plus
lenses made ANY difference were those with diagnosed "near-point
esophoria?"  This is a convergence disorder.  Do you have ANY EVIDENCE
that the same result is likely with people who DO NOT HAVE this
convergence disorder?

7.      You claim to have known Donald Rehm, the founder of the
International Myopia Prevention Association, for some decades.  I
presume that you are familiar with his FDA petition.  In it, Mr. Rehm
states:

" if we converge without accommodating the appropriate amount,
or if we accommodate without converging the appropriate amount,
problems can develop for this small percentage of children such as eye
fatigue, double vision, or other types of fusion problems. That is,
the two images can no longer be fused together without discomfort.
Normal binocular vision is interfered with."

Is there a valid reason why you have not attempted to make people
aware of these SERIOUS risks of unprescribed plus lenses?

8.      You continually cite Fred Deakins as a (questionable) success
story.  Do you think it is honest NOT to mention that Mr.  Deakins
is--in truth--myopic, that he is trying to sell a $40.00 product, and
that his "testimonial" is used as an inducement to buy this product?

9.      Do you have any economic interest in the product sold by Mr.
Deakins?

10.     You claimed that you were not selling a book--until, that is,
I provided links to websites where it WAS being sold for $24.95 (with
your home address as the "send check to" address).  You then claimed
that the entire book was available for free on the internet--until,
that its--I pointed out that only approximately four of 14+ chapters
were on the internet. Would you please clarify whether or not you have
ever received money for a copy of your book, "How to avoid
nearsightedness: A scientific study of the normal eye's behavior?"  If
so, please state how many copies you have sold, and when the last copy
was sold.  If not, please state how long it has been since you
received any money for this book.

11.     Do you believe that it is dishonest NOT to mention that you
have a commercial interest in inducing people to visit your website?

12.     Presuming that you understand the difference between
accommodative spasm (pseudomyopia) and axial-length myopia, would you
please provide credible proof that either a) pseudomyopia CAUSES
axial-length myopia, or that b) relieving pseudomyopia REDUCES
axial-length myopia

13.     You CONSTANTLY make reference to "Second Opinion"
optometrists--presumably meaning those who share your views.  Other
than the now-infamous Steve Leung, are there ANY OTHER such "second
opinion optometrists" in the ENTIRE WORLD?  Does any of these people
have any evidence to support the claims that you make?  Would you
please provide it?

14.     Mr. Steve Leung is also trying to sell a book.  Do you have
any economic interest in the book sold by Steve Leung?  Do you think
it is honest NOT to mention that Mr. Leung is--in truth--myopic, that
he is trying to sell a book, and that the "testimonials" on his
website, and your repeated referrals TO his website are used as
inducements to sell both your and his  book?

15.     Do you feel that it is HONEST NOT TO admit that--even though
your niece, Joy, NEVER WORE MINUS LENSES, and DID USE PLUS LENSES, she
is, at this time, a myope with a restricted driver's license?

16.     I have posted, many times, links to the actual summaries of
the myopia progression studies that you lie about
[http://darwin.nap.edu/books/0309040817/html/62.html].  Why do you
tell people that they WILL SHIFT MYOPIC BY 1.3 DIOPTERS during the
four years of college when the studies DO NOT SAY THAT AT ALL?  Please
explain your position and provide citations to the appropriate
studies.
BD - 13 Dec 2006 20:23 GMT
> Otis?  

**cue crickets.**

BD
otisbrown@pa.net - 13 Dec 2006 21:46 GMT
Dear Neil,

You may have wondered why you are a +6 diopter "hyperope".

Wonder no longer.  It turns out that the natural eye
"follows" and applied PLUS LENS and discovered
in the scientific test:

http://www.geocities.com/otisbrown17268/FundEye.html

Yes, indeed, both Primate eyes and Neil Brooks eyes
respond to a plus lens -- by moving more positive.

In fact, Neil, you eyes prove my point.  You
got stair-case hyperopia -- same as the
primate eyes.

Thanks for proving my point with the primate-human eye.

Q. E. D.

Otis

> Otis?  You never HAVE answered these relevant, coherent, and important
> questions.  Care to step outside yourself and--for the good of
[quoted text clipped - 100 lines]
> explain your position and provide citations to the appropriate
> studies.
BD - 13 Dec 2006 22:07 GMT
>Thanks for proving my point with the primate-human eye.

I think we would have all been happier with the crickets.
Neil Brooks - 13 Dec 2006 23:24 GMT
> >Thanks for proving my point with the primate-human eye.
>
> I think we would have all been happier with the crickets.

infinitely.
Neil Brooks - 13 Dec 2006 23:09 GMT
> Dear Neil,
>
> You may have wondered why you are a +6 diopter "hyperope".

[another dazzling display of intellectual masturbation handily snipped]

Actually, what I was wondering about is why you never answer my (or
anybody else's) questions.
BD - 13 Dec 2006 23:25 GMT
> > Dear Neil,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Actually, what I was wondering about is why you never answer my (or
> anybody else's) questions.

I have a thought on that, and it includes the words 'coward',
'hypocrite', 'sh*t' and 'chicken'.

In no particular order.
William Stacy - 14 Dec 2006 00:31 GMT
>You may have wondered why you are a +6 diopter "hyperope".
>
>Wonder no longer.  It turns out that the natural eye
>"follows" and applied PLUS LENS and discovered
>in the scientific test:
>  

It's that kind of stuff that gets my goat.  I know you won't harm young
myopes much by making them go without glasses, but here you're treading
on thin ice. I think you mean by the above that you would actually take
a +6 child out of his glasses.  That would be a very bad form of child
abuse.  If I hear you doing that to anybody, I'll hunt you down personally.

w.stacy, o.d.
William Stacy - 14 Dec 2006 00:57 GMT
Just so nobody misunderstands me, I'll personally slap the cuffs on you
and haul you in (commonly known as a citizen's arrest).

> I'll hunt you down personally.
serebel - 14 Dec 2006 01:01 GMT
> Just so nobody misunderstands me, I'll personally slap the cuffs on you
> and haul you in (commonly known as a citizen's arrest).
>
> > I'll hunt you down personally.

I prefer what I was originally thinking about your "hunting down"
comment.
William Stacy - 14 Dec 2006 01:46 GMT
Of course I have no idea what you mean, but whatever it was, I'd have to
cross state lines to do it, so it might be a federal offense...

>  
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>  
serebel - 14 Dec 2006 02:00 GMT
> Of course I have no idea what you mean, but whatever it was, I'd have to
> cross state lines to do it, so it might be a federal offense...

You wouldn't have to cross state lines if you had the famous
"staircase". :)
John S - 14 Dec 2006 06:51 GMT
>> Of course I have no idea what you mean, but whatever it was, I'd have to
>> cross state lines to do it, so it might be a federal offense...
>
>You wouldn't have to cross state lines if you had the famous
>"staircase". :)

Fly over to my place.
I'll give you the 2 cent tour of his neighborhood. I don't know why he doesn't buy that house for sale across the street from him.

The rag he sells, treats him well. Lots of suckers.
I would like to see it in that pile up books the Germans were burning in the Indiana Jones movie.

Sherman has learned fast :)

Otis:
Do you mind if I post Neil's questions again? Not that I really care.

Otis?  You never HAVE answered these relevant, coherent, and important
questions.  Care to step outside yourself and--for the good of
humanity--take a shot at them?

1.      There seems to be a great deal of evidence that primates have
widely differing visual systems.  How is it that you feel so secure in
saying that "all primate eyes" behave similarly ... in ANY regard?

2.      In these monkey studies that you reference, isn't it true that
the SAME STUDIES showed that, with even BRIEF periods away from the
minus lens, the myopia was prevented?

3.      If there was no medical indication that these monkeys needed
corrective lenses at all, can you be sure that appropriate CORRECTION
of somebody's REFRACTIVE ERROR will have similar results?  If so, how?

4.      You continually claim that a minus lens causes something that
you call "stair-case myopia."  Presuming that you mean that it does
this in humans, do you have any valid clinical evidence for this
claim?

5.      You have repeatedly claimed that the Oakley-Young study is
"proof" of this "stair-case myopia" phenomenon, but Oakley-Young only
establishes that-in some people-myopia can get worse over time.  It
doesn't even CLAIM that a minus lens CAUSES this.  Please explain your
position.

6.      Also-at least in part, based on the Oakley-Young study-you
recommend that people use plus lenses to prevent myopia.  Are you
aware that the only people in the Oakley-Young study for whom plus
lenses made ANY difference were those with diagnosed "near-point
esophoria?"  This is a convergence disorder.  Do you have ANY EVIDENCE
that the same result is likely with people who DO NOT HAVE this
convergence disorder?

7.      You claim to have known Donald Rehm, the founder of the
International Myopia Prevention Association, for some decades.  I
presume that you are familiar with his FDA petition.  In it, Mr. Rehm
states:

" if we converge without accommodating the appropriate amount,
or if we accommodate without converging the appropriate amount,
problems can develop for this small percentage of children such as eye
fatigue, double vision, or other types of fusion problems. That is,
the two images can no longer be fused together without discomfort.
Normal binocular vision is interfered with."

Is there a valid reason why you have not attempted to make people
aware of these SERIOUS risks of unprescribed plus lenses?

8.      You continually cite Fred Deakins as a (questionable) success
story.  Do you think it is honest NOT to mention that Mr.  Deakins
is--in truth--myopic, that he is trying to sell a $40.00 product, and
that his "testimonial" is used as an inducement to buy this product?

9.      Do you have any economic interest in the product sold by Mr.
Deakins?

10.     You claimed that you were not selling a book--until, that is,
I provided links to websites where it WAS being sold for $24.95 (with
your home address as the "send check to" address).  You then claimed
that the entire book was available for free on the internet--until,
that its--I pointed out that only approximately four of 14+ chapters
were on the internet. Would you please clarify whether or not you have
ever received money for a copy of your book, "How to avoid
nearsightedness: A scientific study of the normal eye's behavior?"  If
so, please state how many copies you have sold, and when the last copy
was sold.  If not, please state how long it has been since you
received any money for this book.

11.     Do you believe that it is dishonest NOT to mention that you
have a commercial interest in inducing people to visit your website?

12.     Presuming that you understand the difference between
accommodative spasm (pseudomyopia) and axial-length myopia, would you
please provide credible proof that either a) pseudomyopia CAUSES
axial-length myopia, or that b) relieving pseudomyopia REDUCES
axial-length myopia

13.     You CONSTANTLY make reference to "Second Opinion"
optometrists--presumably meaning those who share your views.  Other
than the now-infamous Steve Leung, are there ANY OTHER such "second
opinion optometrists" in the ENTIRE WORLD?  Does any of these people
have any evidence to support the claims that you make?  Would you
please provide it?

14.     Mr. Steve Leung is also trying to sell a book.  Do you have
any economic interest in the book sold by Steve Leung?  Do you think
it is honest NOT to mention that Mr. Leung is--in truth--myopic, that
he is trying to sell a book, and that the "testimonials" on his
website, and your repeated referrals TO his website are used as
inducements to sell both your and his  book?

15.     Do you feel that it is HONEST NOT TO admit that--even though
your niece, Joy, NEVER WORE MINUS LENSES, and DID USE PLUS LENSES, she
is, at this time, a myope with a restricted driver's license?

16.     I have posted, many times, links to the actual summaries of
the myopia progression studies that you lie about
[http://darwin.nap.edu/books/0309040817/html/62.html].  Why do you
tell people that they WILL SHIFT MYOPIC BY 1.3 DIOPTERS during the
four years of college when the studies DO NOT SAY THAT AT ALL?  Please
explain your position and provide citations to the appropriate
studies.
otisbrown@pa.net - 16 Dec 2006 03:49 GMT
Neil Brooks posted the follwing statement against
YOUR right to an informed, competent second-opinion.

Since he has done so -- I will not respond to him.

If Neil will acknowledge this charge is fales -- then
I will respond.

__________________________________

Dear Prevention-minded friends,

Any statement I make -- I have checked my self in
every possible way.

I do acknowledge that only prevention on the threshold
is possible.

I also wish -- profoundly -- that I had been
on the RECEIVING end of my advice. That is
BEFORE I was put into a strong, over-prescribed minus.

I wish I had received and used the preventive
information I supply.

I have posted discussion of these issues on sci.med.vision.

Because Neil D. Brooks does not like the concept
of plus-prevention he filed a "charge" against me
in the State of Pennsylvania.

Anyone can file any "charge" they wish -- for
any reason or no reason.

The State will respond as follows:

The response to Neil Brook's filing:

================================

Commonwealth of Pennasylvania

Professional Compliance Office

December 29, 2005

To: Neil D. Brooks
5707 Stanta Fe St.
Sandiego, CA 92109-1622
Phone: 858--483-5292

Dear Complaintant:

This letter will acknowledge recipt of your formal complaint
filed against Otis S. Brown

We will conduct an inquiry into the allegations.
Unfortunately, due to then uber oif cases, we are unable to
provide regular status reports or updates. You will, at the
least, benotified of the final disposition of your complaint.

Thank you for your patience.

Sincerely,

Patty Ridley

Professional Compliance Office

> Otis?  You never HAVE answered these relevant, coherent, and important
> questions.  Care to step outside yourself and--for the good of
[quoted text clipped - 100 lines]
> explain your position and provide citations to the appropriate
> studies.
A Lieberma - 16 Dec 2006 04:17 GMT
> If Neil will acknowledge this charge is fales -- then
> I will respond.

Stop giving medical advice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  UNTIL THEN, THE CHARGES
ARE TRUE

Allen
 
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