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Cataract lens replacements

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Don W - 17 Nov 2006 05:20 GMT
Is there some source or sources that is essentially a "Consumer'
Report" on the various lens replacements.  How well they are working
out.

Don W.
Dr. Leukoma - 17 Nov 2006 13:47 GMT
> Is there some source or sources that is essentially a "Consumer'
> Report" on the various lens replacements.  How well they are working
> out.
>
> Don W.

The answer to that is no.

DrG
Don W - 17 Nov 2006 17:13 GMT
> > Is there some source or sources that is essentially a "Consumer'
> > Report" on the various lens replacements.  How well they are working
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> DrG

 Well, the first question to that is, why not?  They are mechanical
devices and just like anything else, prone to failure, adaptability,
etc.  I had read a report once where yellow implants (the transparent
ones of course?) were substituted for clear ones.  And that they had
offered to exchange them for the error.  No takers.  The field must be
replete with stuff like that.

Don W.
William Stacy - 17 Nov 2006 18:09 GMT
The problem is that there are no seriously objective methods for
comparing the various iols in common usage.  On top of that, the
surgeons mostly determine the outcomes on very subjective reports by the
patients, and even lifestyle evaluations.  If the patient is 20/happy,
then it was a success, even if they are only 20/30 in dim light and
their contrast sensitivity sucks (as it does with the "complex" lens
designs, which is why I always recommend single vision prolate optics
for iols)

wstacy, o.d.

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Don W - 17 Nov 2006 21:16 GMT
> The problem is that there are no seriously objective methods for
> comparing the various iols in common usage.  On top of that, the
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> wstacy, o.d.

 Well, are there not multifocal point designs where the patient has to
relearn on how to focus his eye (in some not quite natural way).  This
may be what you are talking about, so please excuse.  I understand that
some of the multifocal lenses do not continously focus over the entire
range.  That there is a null spot in the range where it does not focus.
I would wonder how this can be (if I am understanding that correctly).

 But all in all, would there not have to be some kind of clinical
trial on these devices?

Don W.
William Stacy - 17 Nov 2006 22:54 GMT
>  Well, are there not multifocal point designs where the patient has to
>relearn on how to focus his eye (in some not quite natural way).

Mostly the patient hast to learn how to accept poor vision in low light
and low contrast situations.  You can't re-learn through permanently
blurred vision.  If you are talking about the focussing iols (moving
ones), they don't move nearly enough to work well, and in most cases I
think they don't move at all.

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>may be what you are talking about, so please excuse.  I understand that
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That is true, they have two focus distances, and the distance between
those two is going to be out of focus. But worse than that, even at the
distances they are set up for, the other distance focal part of the
lenses transmit out of focus light to the retina.  You can't relearn
around the fact that at least 50% of the light coming to the retina is
out of focus at all times and all distances.

>  But all in all, would there not have to be some kind of clinical
>trial on these devices?
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Of course. But the criterion for success was "is the patient happy and
can they get along without glasses?"

So they were approved.  Even a slug can get along without glasses and is
probably happy.

w.stacy, o.d.
Dr. Leukoma - 18 Nov 2006 02:39 GMT
>   Well, the first question to that is, why not?  They are mechanical
> devices and just like anything else, prone to failure, adaptability,

Well, I don't know "why not."  Perhaps you are coming from a
reliability/quality assurance background.  In that case, why not take
it upon yourself to begin such an endeavor on the behalf of future
patients.?

DrG
 
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