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monovision and the dominant eye

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marcia_jay - 23 Oct 2006 21:06 GMT
I am now on my 4th attempt at lenses that work and still no go.

After severe dizziness from the bifocal contact lens, we went back to trying
monovision.  I had slight monovision the last 10 years, so he made it
stronger.

However, another problem I have had is that I have been squinting for the
last several  months in my right eye.  My right eye is the "distance" eye.
According to this new doctor, the right eye is my dominant eye and he wanted
to make that my reading eye.

But because my left eye has been my reading eye for over 10 years, I was not
able to make that transition.  I was like a horse roaring my head all around
to try to see correctly.

So we went back to the left eye reading, and right (dominant) distance.  But
again, I am squinting in that eye.

He would like me to switch the lenses and train myself to have my right
(dominant) eye become the reading eye.

Can anyone explain to me why the dominant eye should be the reading (lower
prescription) eye?  Shouldn't a dominant eye be the distance vision eye?  I
am not sure I understand what "dominant eye" actually means.

Callling all optometrists out there, if you could explain that to me, I would
really appreciate it.

PS (These are RPG lenses, if that makes a difference to your explanation)
Ace - 24 Oct 2006 07:25 GMT
Cant you just get some bifocal or progressive glasses or two pairs of
contacts, one that undercorrects both eyes for reading and another pair
to fully correct for distance? Presbyopia is not a problem for myopes,
I have mild presbyopia and im not affected by it.
Just trying to help. Do you like those suggestions?
Dan Abel - 24 Oct 2006 22:06 GMT
In another group I subscribe to, there is an annual award for "best
post".  I'd like to nominate the following post for an smv award:

> Cant you just get some bifocal or progressive glasses

OK so far.

>  or two pairs of
> contacts,

Are you seriously suggesting that somebody swap contacts every time they
want to change from seeing near to far and vice versa?

> one that undercorrects both eyes for reading

That word "undercorrects" really bothers me.

> and another pair
> to fully correct for distance?

Not sure what "fully correct" means either, but it doesn't bother me so
much.

> Presbyopia is not a problem for myopes,

There are millions of people who would be happy to hear that.  
Unfortunately, that won't help them see.

> I have mild presbyopia and im not affected by it.

Really?

> Just trying to help. Do you like those suggestions?

I haven't laughed so hard in weeks!

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Ace - 26 Oct 2006 05:20 GMT
Dan Abel said:

> In another group I subscribe to, there is an annual award for "best
> post".  I'd like to nominate the following post for an smv award:
>
> > Cant you just get some bifocal or progressive glasses
>
> OK so far.

It doesnt seem that Marcia is listening to me and the doctors here. She
is going to be miserable fiddling with the monovision she cant
tolerate. Even my own mother prefers to wear progressive glasses rather
than monovision contacts. She can read without glasses but only at very
close distances, too close for comfort really. Why cant Marcia just
stick with glasses? She will be much happier!

> Are you seriously suggesting that somebody swap contacts every time they
> want to change from seeing near to far and vice versa?

She only has to swap them out when driving. The rest of the time she is
reading.
The other option is she get two pairs of glasses if she doesnt like
bifocals/progressives. A third option is she wear contacts for near and
put her glasses on for distance.

> That word "undercorrects" really bothers me.

I wear glasses that undercorrect me so I am in focus at computer
distance. She can wear contacts that undercorrect her so shes in focus
at reading distance. If she reads at 16 inches, she needs a -2.5
undercorrection then she can have -2.5 glasses made to wear when she
drives back home from work. Problem solved! If Marcia would read this
and listen, she wouldnt be having that problem!

> Not sure what "fully correct" means either, but it doesn't bother me so
> much.

Corrects her to 20/20, or whatever her BCVA is.

> > Presbyopia is not a problem for myopes,
>
> There are millions of people who would be happy to hear that.
> Unfortunately, that won't help them see.

Yes it will. For low and moderate myopes, all they have to do is take
their glasses *off* when reading like I do. High myopes may find it
impratical except for reading tiny print. Therefore they can wear
glasses or contacts that corrects all but -2.5 of their myopia so they
can read at 16 inches all day like Marcia does.
CatmanX - 24 Oct 2006 09:51 GMT
You make the dominant eye for distance. This is pretty standard for
monovision. Sometimes people prefer dominant for near, but rarely.

In the end, you go with what makes the patient happy.

dr grant
marcia_jay - 24 Oct 2006 14:47 GMT
My dominant eye is the one that is distant.  He insists it should be for
near, and even though I still can't read smaller fonts with what he has given
me, he says "I am uncomfortable making the left lens weaker"--the left lens
is the one that is my reader and is not dominant.

>You make the dominant eye for distance. This is pretty standard for
>monovision. Sometimes people prefer dominant for near, but rarely.
>
>In the end, you go with what makes the patient happy.
>
>dr grant
The Real Bev - 24 Oct 2006 21:40 GMT
> My dominant eye is the one that is distant.  He insists it should be for
> near, and even though I still can't read smaller fonts with what he has given
> me, he says "I am uncomfortable making the left lens weaker"--the left lens
> is the one that is my reader and is not dominant.

All things considered, I would think that YOUR comfort is what's
important, not his.

Personally, I would want my dominant (and/or better) eye set for
distance, in spite of the fact that I probably spend most of my time
reading -- you aren't likely to be endangered by something within
reading distance, but being able to read freeway signs clearly might end
up saving your life.

>> You make the dominant eye for distance. This is pretty standard for
>> monovision. Sometimes people prefer dominant for near, but rarely.
>>
>> In the end, you go with what makes the patient happy.

You'd think, wouldn't you?

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marcia_jay - 24 Oct 2006 22:47 GMT
Dr Grant,

When I went in, I asked that he make the most slight change possible.  I had
a slight monovision for the last 10 years (RPG contacts).  Somewhere in there,
my eye doctor retired without me knowing so that I could get in a last visit.

So here I was with no records, no nothing.

Presbyopia has really progressed in the last year.  My mono vision was : left,
reader;  right, distance.

I asked this new guy to maybe make the distinction between the two greater.
The first pair he made me, I cold not see anything well--near nor far--out of
either lens. I have no idea what that is about.

Next, he made me a bifocal right lens, and a distance left lens.  WHile in
the office, I could not make that right eye focus for reading, after 10 years
of reading with left.  So  he told me, OK, switch them, and sent me home.

The next day I spent so much time with my eyes fighting each other trying to
bring things into focus that by the end of the day, I was incapacitated with
nausea, had to go to bed by 7 pm with a pail by my bedside. I ran screamin
back to him and left both lenses.

I was pretty much going to give up on him. But I had already invested $250
with no lenses yet.  So he wanted to take another try.  I asked him to please
just make me a left lens NONbifocal, but with a lesser prescription than my
original one so I could maybe read better.

He did so, and it was a little better, but I still can't read all the font
sizes I need to read (I am an editor).  I decided I would take it and he gave
me a distance right lens, insisting he would prefer me to read with my right
eye and distance with my left, saying that is because my right eye is
dominant. Which is the opposite theory of all  you guys.

Meanwhile, the right one (distance) is about what my old right one was, but I
am squinting (as I had been in my old one for nearly a year).  I asked him
why, he said, the eye is trying to "block out" the vision...which is why he
thinks it should be the reader. I asked him, couldn't he scale it back a bit
(I still see 10/20 in both eyes on the eye chart, even with the mono vision,
so doesn't that leave room for a bit of a scale back, maybe 20/25?)

He replied that he is uncomfortable scaling back the vision on my dominant
eye.

So what is making me squint in that distance eye, and what can I do about it?

Meanwhile, I have been back to him nearly once a week for the last month and
a half.  That is more times than in 20 years added together of my previous
guy.

I am ready to give up, but I need to see to work.

Anybody?

>You make the dominant eye for distance. This is pretty standard for
>monovision. Sometimes people prefer dominant for near, but rarely.
>
>In the end, you go with what makes the patient happy.
>
>dr grant
marcia_jay - 24 Oct 2006 23:40 GMT
Sorry, not 10/20...typo!! I meant 20/20!

>Dr Grant,
>
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>>
>>dr grant
Mike Ruskai - 24 Oct 2006 15:16 GMT
>I am not sure I understand what "dominant eye" actually means.

Point to an object across the room with your finger.  Close one eye,
then the other.  The one which remains pointed at the object is
dominant.

It's particularly noticeable to me when putting contacts in.  When
putting the left one in, I have to consciously switch from my
"dominant" eye, to get the proper view for placing it right on the
cornea (as opposed to getting it in the eye in general, and hoping
it'll blink into place - that strategy seems to frequently get me a
folded lens squeezed between my eyelashes).
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Jan - 24 Oct 2006 20:34 GMT
Mike Ruskai schreef:

>> I am not sure I understand what "dominant eye" actually means.
>
> Point to an object across the room with your finger.  Close one eye,
> then the other.  The one which remains pointed at the object is
> dominant.

A little remark, try this with your eyes both corrected for distance please.

One other remark, when "covering" the object (kind of looking through
your finger/thumb )with your finger or thumb, keep BOTH eyes open.

Then close one eye and see your thumb ON or just BESIDES the object.
ON is the dominant eye.

Hope this helps,

Jan (normally Dutch spoken)
 
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