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Medical Forum / General / Vision / October 2006Long term risks of orthoK?
In another thread, someone talked to his optometrist who said: I also had a good long chat with the optometrist about visual corrections in general but, for balance, it should be remembered that he works for a Lasik clinic although he is fairly fresh from university so he is up to date on current thinking. He believed that OrthoK was a bad idea and could cause damage to the cornea with long term use. Apparently this was also the opinion of the Professor in charge of his school who is supposedly a world authority on contact lenses. He said that the repeated compression would eventually damage the elasticity and leave a permanently mishapen cornea. What do you optometrists on Sci.med.vision say? How long can someone safely wear orthoK? I already know orthoK is 10x to 20x safer than lasik. But im worried about the long term risks of orthoK. I am interested in orthoK and was wondering how much time I can use it then discountinue use before long term damage. Something in the future should be invented to answer the myopia question and correct my myopia but with todays technology, its either glasses or orthoK as options. OrthoK can tide me over till technology has an answer. Why ask questions when: a) you will never go ahead with it, b) You prefer to tell people how to do things even when you know nothing about it yourself. Annoyance comes to mind, along with the words w.nker, fool and brain-dead moron. Others can add here if they wish. > Why ask questions when: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Others can add here if they wish. Then make that question for the public. Theres thousands others who would like to know the answer. Its not just about me. You practice orthoK, youd have experience on the risks. Yes, but seeing you don't rate, I shan't let you in on the secret. > Yes, but seeing you don't rate, I shan't let you in on the secret. Agreed. No need to reply to anything the Ace child writes. Let him "converse" with Otis, the only other person here who might care to engage him and his sickness. LB Catman & LarryDoc, I'm currently doing orthok - last 3 months or so. Love the results. I'd definitely be interested in learning of long term complications / possible complications. Say what you like about Ace, (I'm sure you have & will !), but his question is valid, and certainly of interest to me for one. Probably many others too. Please share your knowledge on this subject, and don't let your dislike of Ace deprive the rest of us of the benefit of your knowledge experience and expertise. > > Yes, but seeing you don't rate, I shan't let you in on the secret. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > LB > Catman & LarryDoc, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > subject, and don't let your dislike of Ace deprive the rest of us of > the benefit of your knowledge experience and expertise. Then ask Ace and Otis to leave the group. This is, after all, sci.med.vision. Read the charter or at least the weekly "welcome" post. Those of us in the field of science or medical-related vision post here for two reasons: 1. to help increase the body of knowledge in the field available to those not in the professions and 2. to discuss interesting findings that increase *our* knowledge. But lately we find those goals to be supplemented with: 3. keep out the loons and dispel their junk-science and general bull. And that is becoming time consuming and now detracts from real and meaningful discussion. At least for me. Most of the time I don't even read the stuff here anymore, or at least pick and choose to reply to things that don't require much work on my part or to other replies that might actually hurt someone. What a change. What a shame. So, if you don't like what's going on here, stop replying to the moronic and useless posts from those who hang out here only to blab and blah, blah, blah....... <close soapbox><jump off soapbox> <go to beach> ahhhhhh LB > And that is becoming time consuming and now detracts from real and > meaningful discussion. Well if people would just kill file the loons like Otis and Ace instead of feeding their kook theories with stupid replies it would improve the discussion. It is true that Otis and Ace are kooks but I don't know what some of the responders would do for a life if Otis and Ace did leave the newsgroup.  SignatureCharles Ask your optometrist. If they are worth their salt, they were at the OSO conference 2 weeks ago to catch up with the latest info. dr grant Gee guys, thanks for your help. > Ask your optometrist. If they are worth their salt, they were at the > OSO conference 2 weeks ago to catch up with the latest info. > > dr grant what are you paying your optometrist for? I believe he's a very good optometrist, I was referred to him by my regular optometrist, as a leader in this field. I'm in Melbourne Australia. I'm simply doing a bit of my own research to try and extend my obviously limited laymans knowledge. I have asked him these same questions, but he said no problems long term to worry about. Doesn't mean someone else doesn't have a contrary view. In fact going by this website, quite obviously they do. I'm sure as a professional you're always trying to increase your knowledge. As a layman and orthtok patient, that's all I'm doing - without bugging the sh.t out of my optometrist all day by asking questions he's already answered, and questioning his own professionalism by doubting his advice. Sorry if I've offended you or someone else in the group, or broken some etiquette I'm unaware of. > what are you paying your optometrist for? I know some of you guys dont like me and Otis. We are entitled to freedom of speech to say what we want. Neither of us insult anyone, we dont cuss, we dont flame or attack someone, we use good courtesty. You have a problem with our opinions, well you are entitled to your own prevailing opinions. There are alot of people and optometrists called "second opinion" who believe in myopia prevention, vision improvement and the power of the plus lens. There will always be disagreements between optometrists who believe nothing can be done about myopia and those who believe it can be prevented if caught early on and plus lens used. But this thread is about the long term risks of orthoK. All of us reading this would like to know. You optometrists post here to help so please share your facts. This is a reasonable and serious question. You dont have to like me, that is irrelevant. It is nothing personal, its about health and science! Cg_aust, thanks for asking your optometrist about this. It is reassuring to know most dont believe there is any long term concerns and if there are, its probably no worse than daily wear contacts and far, far safer than lasik. As for that lady who developed -2d astigmatism, was it gradual? Have they determined the cause? It could just be coincidental and could go away by itself. Did she develop any other problems, especially that glasses couldnt correct? > I know some of you guys dont like me and Otis. We are entitled to > freedom of speech to say what we want. And other folks on the group have freedom of speech to differ with you and to ask for substantiation. > Neither of us insult anyone, we > dont cuss, we dont flame or attack someone, we use good courtesty. You > have a problem with our opinions, well you are entitled to your own > prevailing opinions. > There are alot of people and optometrists called > "second opinion" who believe in myopia prevention, vision improvement > and the power of the plus lens. There will always be disagreements > between optometrists who believe nothing can be done about myopia and > those who believe it can be prevented if caught early on and plus lens > used. Please name a few of them (and one or two do not constitute "a lot"). SignatureDan Abel dabel@sonic.net Petaluma, California, USA Like I said, if your optom knows anything about OK, he should have been in Surfers for the conference. I think I can recall 2 others from Melb there. OK is very poorly done here due to mostly lousy optoms who can't fit an RGP lens to save themselves. Write a list of questions and take them in next time you see your optom. If you can't wait, email me the list. I am not going to give Nancy the satisfaction of my knowledge. Sorry, but he would just twist it. drgrant@ozemail.com.au cheers, grant Catman, Sincerely thank you for your response - I will follow your suggestion about the list of questions for my optom, who I see again in 3 weeks. If I'm unhappy with his responses I'll pursue the offer of an email to you. Thank you again. > Like I said, if your optom knows anything about OK, he should have been > in Surfers for the conference. I think I can recall 2 others from Melb [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > grant > Catman, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thank you again. Please let me know all the responses of all the optometrists. Alot of us out there are wondering the same thing. > Like I said, if your optom knows anything about OK, he should have been > in Surfers for the conference. I think I can recall 2 others from Melb [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > grant Finally some good advice. I already have a list of questions ill show my own optometrist when I go for my orthoK consultation. You probably wouldnt waste your time unless you were being paid. If I had to guess, most if not all orthoK optometrist would not believe the long term risks to be much to worry about. Those who feel there is a risk are lasik surgeons(no supprise) and some optometrists who dont even fit people with contacts. I'd like to know the answer give the corneal reshaping I get from RGP. > In another thread, someone talked to his optometrist who said: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > either glasses or orthoK as options. OrthoK can tide me over till > technology has an answer. -- > In another thread, someone talked to his optometrist who said: snip the opinion of the Professor in charge of his school who > is supposedly a world authority on contact lenses. He said that the > repeated compression would eventually damage the elasticity and leave a > > permanently mishapen cornea. I have a patient who had ortho K done about 22 years ago, wore the correcting lenses for 10 to 12 years. She now has almost 2D of corneal cyl which did not exist prior to ortho K (I got her old records) Just one case, maybe she would have developed the cyl anyway ... Dr Judy |
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