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How are bifocals made?

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Salmon Egg - 13 Oct 2006 06:18 GMT
While I can understand that it may not be very big deal to edge stock mass
produced single vision lens blanks for various combinations of spherical and
cylindrical power, are stock blanks also used for bifocals and trifocals?
That would seem to require a very large variety of blanks. Is a reading add
fused into a stock blank? How are bifocals fabricated for a one hour
service?

Bill
-- Fermez le Bush
Mike Tyner - 13 Oct 2006 13:27 GMT
One-hour places are equipped to grind and polish the back surface. They
stock "semi-finished" lenses with the front surface already made, and grind
the back surface to provide sphere and cylinder "in an hour."

Bifocals and progressives are cast-molded into the front surface, at the
factory, so the lab stocks a range of bifocal adds and front curves.

-MT

> While I can understand that it may not be very big deal to edge stock mass
> produced single vision lens blanks for various combinations of spherical
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> Bill
> -- Fermez le Bush
Salmon Egg - 13 Oct 2006 19:29 GMT
On 10/13/06 5:27 AM, in article
fe6dnXAH1vNKG7LYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@giganews.com, "Mike Tyner"
<mtyner@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Bifocals and progressives are cast-molded into the front surface, at the
> factory, so the lab stocks a range of bifocal adds and front curves.

Is that one of the reasons plastic is pushed? Once an expensive mold is
made, the repetitive cost to stamp out lenses is going to be low.

Is it faster (and cheaper) to grind and polish plastic compared to glass?
Certainly the rough grind is going to be easier. My little experience with
polishing plastic was that it required finding the right combination of
abrasive and lubricant for the particular plastic being used. I presume that
that once the right combination is found, the polishing becomes fairly easy.

Bill
-- Fermez le Bush
William Stacy - 13 Oct 2006 19:47 GMT
Plastic lenses are cast, not "stamped", and it is quite a technology.  
Actually, in many ways glass is easier and cheaper.  The main reasons
for plastic ophthalmic lenses are the light weight, the safety issues,
and the thinness (of some plastics).  The grinding and polishing is
certainly quicker, but therein lies a problem.  Generating too much heat
or pressure on the lens as it approaches its final thickness can distort
the lens, sometimes dreadfully.  So I'd say glass is cheaper and easier,
and more forgiving, but certainly hard on the nose and a threat to the
eye. Due to its rigidity, greater precision is possible with glass than
with any plastic, which is why it is so often used in precision optics.

w.stacy, o.d.

>On 10/13/06 5:27 AM, in article
>fe6dnXAH1vNKG7LYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@giganews.com, "Mike Tyner"
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Salmon Egg - 14 Oct 2006 01:00 GMT
On 10/13/06 11:47 AM, in article
cbRXg.16430$7I1.13614@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net, "William Stacy"
<wstacy@obase.net> wrote:

> Plastic lenses are cast, not "stamped", and it is quite a technology.
> Actually, in many ways glass is easier and cheaper.  The main reasons for
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> greater precision is possible with glass than with any plastic, which is why
> it is so often used in precision optics.

I did not me "stamped" literally.

In my personal situation after implants for cataracts, the required lens
power has been greatly reduced. Weight is no longer a big problem. In
California, tempered glass is required for glass spectacles.

Just how serious is the fragility of glass. I have not had any break during
my adult life. As a kid, I do remember doing things like stepping on them.
And of course, I still remember the movie Doctor Cyclops.

Bill
-- Fermez le Bush
William Stacy - 14 Oct 2006 01:52 GMT
Only serious if they break.  It's the sharpness of the fragments that
can do the bad work on your eye.

In the U.S. they must be either chemically hardened (by submersion in a
molten salt overnight) or by heat tempering (heat them up to almost
melting, and then blow cold air on them). One method works better for
small high speed impacts, the other for larger more blunt forces.  I
haven't used glass much in the past few years, so I don't remember
which, but I think it was chemical for small high speed.

Either way, dress safety (min 2.2 mm thickness) must withstand a 5/8 in
steel ball dropped from 50 inches, while industrial (3.0 mm min) a 1
inch steel ball from 50 in. Each and every lens must be tested, and if
they break, they fail the test.

You can get thinner and obviously less safe lenses in many non U.S.
countries...

w.stacy, o.d.

>Just how serious is the fragility of glass. I have not had any break during
>my adult life. As a kid, I do remember doing things like stepping on them.
>And of course, I still remember the movie Doctor Cyclops.
>
>  
Quick - 19 Oct 2006 06:56 GMT
> Either way, dress safety (min 2.2 mm thickness) must
> withstand a 5/8 in steel ball dropped from 50 inches,
> while industrial (3.0 mm min) a 1 inch steel ball from 50
> in. Each and every lens must be tested, and if they
> break, they fail the test.

That's amazing. Can't the testing do damage? Do they
do the polishing after testing? Couldn't the testing weaken
the structure? maybe not visibly?

-Quick
William Stacy - 19 Oct 2006 07:06 GMT
You would think so, but apparently not enough to worry about.  The
testing does mar plastic lenses, so those are only tested by random
sampling or such.  No, the lens is tested after complete finishing,
including edging and polishing, ready for the frame. OTOH my info on
this subject is old, like 15 or 20 years, so some things may have
changed since I was involved with lens finishing.

w.stacy, o.d.

>>Either way, dress safety (min 2.2 mm thickness) must
>>withstand a 5/8 in steel ball dropped from 50 inches,
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> -Quick
 
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