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How to describe need for bifocal eyeglasses with lower lense focus at 6  to 10 feet

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DLM - 12 Oct 2006 22:53 GMT
elderly sister has new prescription  for standard bifocal glasses long
distance on top,  reading on bottom.

She needs to see her feet and sidewalk just in front of her. What do I
ask the eyeglass store to do to adjust the lower lenses?

She already has long distance, computer glasses, and reading
eyeglasses.

Thanks
DLM
William Stacy, O.D. - 12 Oct 2006 23:39 GMT
Why is she getting bifocals?  No bifocals will allow her to see the
ground in front of her clearly without her lowering her head to look
over the reading part, that WILL be out of focus unless she is 3 ft
tall.  IOW she should wear her long glasses for walking.

w.stacy, o.d.

> elderly sister has new prescription  for standard bifocal glasses long
> distance on top,  reading on bottom.
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> Thanks
> DLM
Mike Tyner - 13 Oct 2006 00:33 GMT
> She needs to see her feet and sidewalk just in front of her. What do I
> ask the eyeglass store to do to adjust the lower lenses?

The doctor might adjust the bifocal power to a lower value in order that the
sidewalk wouldn't be quite so blurry (and fine print not so good), but the
optician/store are not allowed to do this.

The most reasonable thing the optician might do is to place a bifocal low in
the frame, so she "sees over" the blur more easily.

Of course, her "long distance" glasses should just fine if she doesn't need
to read while walking.

-MT
DLM - 13 Oct 2006 12:25 GMT
> > She needs to see her feet and sidewalk just in front of her. What do I
> > ask the eyeglass store to do to adjust the lower lenses?

> but the optician/store are not allowed to do this.

>From personal experince that would be news to some of the eyeglass
stores in my town.

William Stacy, O.D. says "No bifocals will allow her to see the
ground in front of her clearly without her lowering her head to look
over the reading part, that WILL be out of focus unless she is 3 ft
tall.  "

Give me a break. I know that if the bottom lenses are for reading then
they focus at a very short distance.

She is considering bifocals that is the presciption the doctor gave
her.

I know when I get glasses the doctor takes viewing distance in to
consideration in the top lenses. I know it makes a difference if they
are for infinite distances or if I want medium distances.

Do long distance lenses focus from ten feet to infinity equally well?
My sister seems to be able to see reasonably OK with the LD lenses
except when she looks down towards her feet and then she as trouble
seeing curbs and sidewalk details. Thus my question about bifocals with
bottom lenses for 6 to 10 feet.

She has bifocals for woking on her computer. The top lenses are set for
viewing a screen  three of four feet away and the bottom lenses are
better for reading text about a foot away.

Stacy seems to imply all bi-focal glasses are LD and reading.

> The most reasonable thing the optician might do is to place a bifocal low in
> the frame, so she "sees over" the blur more easily.

That's a good idea. I wear bifocals, I have some with mid line large
reading lenses and a pair with small  reading lenses set  very low for
watching TV in a recliner and still being able to read a newpaper or
book.

> > Of course, her "long distance" glasses should just fine if she doesn't need
> to read while walking.

At eightfive she's needs all the help she can get focusing on walking
(never mind reading and walking <big grin>).
Mike Tyner - 13 Oct 2006 13:37 GMT
> I know when I get glasses the doctor takes viewing distance in to
> consideration in the top lenses. I know it makes a difference if they
> are for infinite distances or if I want medium distances.

Mostly that's an exception - as a rule the top lenses are made for infinity
and it's the reading lens that's carefully adjusted for working distance.

> Do long distance lenses focus from ten feet to infinity equally well?

Pretty much, yes.

> My sister seems to be able to see reasonably OK with the LD lenses
> except when she looks down towards her feet and then she as trouble
> seeing curbs and sidewalk details. Thus my question about bifocals with
> bottom lenses for 6 to 10 feet.

Those would be exceptionally weak bifocals. The weakest available are
usually 0.75, meaning they would focus (for your sister) at about 1.3 meters
or 4 feet, and make the ground blurry if she's over 4 feet tall. At the same
time, 0.75 bifocals would be worthless for reading.

> Stacy seems to imply all bi-focal glasses are LD and reading.

Most of them are.

> At eightfive she's needs all the help she can get focusing on walking
> (never mind reading and walking <big grin>).

She'll see the ground as well, or better, with her LD lenses than with a
bifocal.

-MT
Robert Martellaro - 16 Oct 2006 18:24 GMT
>William Stacy, O.D. says "No bifocals will allow her to see the
>ground in front of her clearly without her lowering her head to look
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>Give me a break. I know that if the bottom lenses are for reading then
>they focus at a very short distance.

The only "break" will be your sister's bones when she falls. Dr. Stacy knows
better than to Rx bifocals, without good reason, to an 86 year old who has worn
separates for many decades. That's why he recommended that she wear her distance
glasses when walking.

Now, if she has a problem negotiating the stairs with her distance glasses, the
problem may be the Rx or lens positioning, probably the latter. The optician
should check that there is sufficient panto (lens tilt), typically insufficient
for a comfortable perspective when looking down towards the floor or steps.

If she wants bifocals so that she can read and watch TV without having to
constantly switch glasses that would be fine, although almost all of my elderly
clients who wear separates find the line extremely uncomfortable, and would
rather switch between distance and near glasses.

Hope this helps,  

Robert Martellaro
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
Wauwatosa Wi.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field."
 - Niels Bohr
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