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Who makes -14 contacts?

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sdavies6 - 12 Oct 2006 01:02 GMT
Just came from a visit to my opthamologist.  My vision in the left eye
is -14.75 and -2.5 (I think she said I had a slight astigmatism).  We are
looking at a minus 13 or 14 disposable or extended wear contact lens.  She
thinks they have to be specially ordered as most companies only make them
off-the-rack to minus 12, and I am no longer getting the best vision from
the minus 12.

Which companies make minus 14 lenses which are extended wear or disposable?
We would like to get a trial of a 13 and 14 and see which is best.  I need
disposable or extended wear.  I can currently tolerate the AcuVue Advanced,
so I need something as light and easy to wear.
William Stacy, O.D. - 12 Oct 2006 03:15 GMT
You might try Precision UV, which go up to -14 off the shelf last time I
checked, but they don't correct astigmatism. There may be others. If you
want full astigmatic correction, it is for sure a custom lens.  I'm
assuming the -14.00 is a CONTACT LENS power, not a SPECTACLE LENS power.
  There is a huge difference at these levels.

w.stacy, o.d.

> Just came from a visit to my opthamologist.  My vision in the left eye
> is -14.75 and -2.5 (I think she said I had a slight astigmatism).  We are
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> disposable or extended wear.  I can currently tolerate the AcuVue Advanced,
> so I need something as light and easy to wear.
Anon E. Muss - 12 Oct 2006 04:53 GMT
>Just came from a visit to my opthamologist.  My vision in the left eye
>is -14.75 and -2.5 (I think she said I had a slight astigmatism).  We are
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>
>Which companies make minus 14 lenses which are extended wear or disposable?

Lots.

CooperVision for one with their Hydrasoft FW spherical lenses.  They
can be ordered in the "Options" modality which gets you a quarterly
replacement schedule.  And as Dr. Stacy wrote, disposable Precision UV
go up to -14D.

I've had a few patients in these lenses and I always try to convert
these people into RGPs, wear a -12D silicone hydrogel contact lens
(SHCL)  (e.g., Oasys) with spectacles over that, or get them to
consider refractive surgery.

-14D HEMA lenses almost without fail cause excessive signs of oxygen
deprivation if worn on a EW basis, and many times even when worn on a
DW basis.

Unfortunately (AFAIK) NO silicone hydrogel contact lenses are made
higher than a -12D.

>We would like to get a trial of a 13 and 14 and see which is best.  I need
>disposable or extended wear.

Why do you need EW or dispsoable?

>I can currently tolerate the AcuVue Advanced, so I need something as
>light and easy to wear.

You are not gonna find a -14D HEMA soft contact lens that is as nice,
light and easy to wear as a SHCL.
CatmanX - 12 Oct 2006 13:23 GMT
Get SH50 from Gelflex (www.gelflex.com) They are a custom made silicone
hydrogel that can be made as a toric to correct the 2.50 cyl (which is
a lot, by the way)

dr grant
sdavies6 - 12 Oct 2006 21:25 GMT
>>> I've had a few patients in these lenses and I always try to convert
> these people into RGPs, wear a -12D silicone hydrogel contact lens
> (SHCL)  (e.g., Oasys) with spectacles over that, or get them to
> consider refractive surgery.

What kind of refractive surgery would you suggest for a 56 years old
with -14?
William Stacy, O.D. - 12 Oct 2006 23:43 GMT
>>>>I've had a few patients in these lenses and I always try to convert
>>
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> What kind of refractive surgery would you suggest for a 56 years old
> with -14?

Right now the best solution is probably the Visian intraocular lens.
Pretty new, and you need to find a surgeon who's done a few of them (at
least 10).  Results are very good.

w.stacy, o.d.
sdavies6 - 13 Oct 2006 00:34 GMT
From everything I've heard, from doctors, and read on the Internet as well
as the Visian web site, you do not give an interocular lens to someone 56
years old.

>>>>>I've had a few patients in these lenses and I always try to convert
>>>
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>
> w.stacy, o.d.
Mike Tyner - 13 Oct 2006 00:46 GMT
> From everything I've heard, from doctors, and read on the Internet as well
> as the Visian web site, you do not give an interocular lens to someone 56
> years old.

The results of CLE are pretty lousy if you don't get an intraocular implant.
"Clear lens extraction" is cataract surgery done for refractive correction.
Ten years ago it was unheard-of, and many old-school surgeons still won't do
it, but CLE is becoming more popular. And 56 is a perfectly acceptable age
for it.

-MT
Charles - 13 Oct 2006 00:55 GMT
> The results of CLE are pretty lousy if you don't get an intraocular implant.
> "Clear lens extraction" is cataract surgery done for refractive correction.
> Ten years ago it was unheard-of, and many old-school surgeons still won't do
> it, but CLE is becoming more popular. And 56 is a perfectly acceptable age
> for it.

What about the risks of retinal detachment for someone with high myopia?

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William Stacy - 13 Oct 2006 01:08 GMT
Pretty high, while almost zero for the Visian posterior chamber lens.  
Sure, someday you might need cataract surgery, but if I were -14, I
wouldn't go for a clear lens exchange.  The risk is too high for my
comfort zone.  If you do get cataracts, you can have both the Visian
removed and the IOL put in at the same time, through the same incision
(small).  I don't know why they are not recommending it for presbyopes,
unless they are pushing their own multifocal IOL which they probably
are, which makes me sick.

w.stacy, o.d.

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sdavies6 - 13 Oct 2006 01:39 GMT
So, it appears that I was thing of the Visian as the posterior lens.  The discussions I've had are that I will certainly have cataracts if I live long enough, and that's the primary reason, not the only one.  Obviously, if it were a 50/50 proposition I would certainly opt for adding a lens than for remove my clear one.  However, i'm told it is simply a poor move for a 56 year old who is already at a plus 2.00 for reading.  Incidentally, the doctor makes the same money from either procedure, so it does not appear to be an example of a doctor pushing something for monetary reasons.

 Pretty high, while almost zero for the Visian posterior chamber lens.  Sure, someday you might need cataract surgery, but if I were -14, I wouldn't go for a clear lens exchange.  The risk is too high for my comfort zone.  If you do get cataracts, you can have both the Visian removed and the IOL put in at the same time, through the same incision (small).  I don't know why they are not recommending it for presbyopes, unless they are pushing their own multifocal IOL which they probably are, which makes me sick.  

 w.stacy, o.d.

 Charles wrote:

In article <nZmdnZAiyc2iSbPYnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Mike Tyner
<mtyner@mindspring.com> wrote:

 The results of CLE are pretty lousy if you don't get an intraocular implant.
"Clear lens extraction" is cataract surgery done for refractive correction.
Ten years ago it was unheard-of, and many old-school surgeons still won't do
it, but CLE is becoming more popular. And 56 is a perfectly acceptable age
for it.
   
What about the risks of retinal detachment for someone with high myopia?

 
Dan Abel - 13 Oct 2006 02:51 GMT
> However, i'm told it is simply a poor move for a 56
> year old who is already at a plus 2.00 for reading.

I'm 56.  Exactly (until December anyway, when I turn 57).  I have IOLs
in both eyes.  I had cataract, which is why the surgery was done.  If I
hadn't had cataract, I would have stuck with what I was using, which was
contacts for distance (-10 and -12), and OTC readers over them for close.

I don't understand your paragraph above.  This procedure is a poor
choice for someone who has *no* plus.  If you have lost your
accommodation already, I'm not sure what you have to lose.

Note that I am a layperson and don't understand a lot of things.

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sdavies6 - 13 Oct 2006 03:49 GMT
The IOL is the suggested procedure.  I was talking about the lens which does
not replace the natural lens, but is added (usually under the iris).  That
lens I understood was for those who still had most of their accommodation.
I may very well have a clear lens extraction on the one bad eye (minus 13 or
14).  I'm just a bit weary as it is such a permenent and irreversible
procdure.  Right now I'm trying different contacts to see if we can find one
which restores my vision and which I can tolerate wearing for long periods.

>> However, i'm told it is simply a poor move for a 56
>> year old who is already at a plus 2.00 for reading.
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>
> Note that I am a layperson and don't understand a lot of things.
Fidelis K - 13 Oct 2006 03:02 GMT
You already lost accomodation, so why is it a poor move? Anyway, it's your decision and good luck.
 So, it appears that I was thing of the Visian as the posterior lens.  The discussions I've had are that I will certainly have cataracts if I live long enough, and that's the primary reason, not the only one.  Obviously, if it were a 50/50 proposition I would certainly opt for adding a lens than for remove my clear one.  However, i'm told it is simply a poor move for a 56 year old who is already at a plus 2.00 for reading.  Incidentally, the doctor makes the same money from either procedure, so it does not appear to be an example of a doctor pushing something for monetary reasons
sdavies6 - 13 Oct 2006 01:34 GMT
I just had retina exam from my doctor, and if I decided on the CLE it would
be a more vigorous exam by a specialist.  My doctor told me there is no
higher risk of RD from the surgery for a high Myopre, than there is
generally for a high myope.  She said high myopes have a higher instance of
RD than the general public, but statistically, it doesn't go up with the
surgery.

>> The results of CLE are pretty lousy if you don't get an intraocular
>> implant.
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>
> What about the risks of retinal detachment for someone with high myopia?
William Stacy - 13 Oct 2006 17:27 GMT
I must disagree with that.  It is well known that phaco with iol implant
is a significant risk to myopes.  Of course myopes are at risk for
retinal detachment generally, but that risk is DEFINITELY increased
during surgery and for quite some time after surgery.  Unlike the
posterior chamber lens, which carries little or no ADDITIONAL risk for
detachment. My own mother had a retinal detachment and giant retinal
tear DURING iol surgery.  The reason for this additional risk has to do
with surgeon skill and retinal stretching from myopia, and the fact that
the ciliary body gets manipulated during the procedure.

w.stacy, o.d.

>I just had retina exam from my doctor, and if I decided on the CLE it would
>be a more vigorous exam by a specialist.  My doctor told me there is no
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>
>  
Fidelis K - 13 Oct 2006 23:15 GMT
>I just had retina exam from my doctor, and if I decided on the CLE it would
>be a more vigorous exam by a specialist.  My doctor told me there is no
>higher risk of RD from the surgery for a high Myopre, than there is
>generally for a high myope.  She said high myopes have a higher instance of
>RD than the general public, but statistically, it doesn't go up with the
>surgery.

I don't know who your doc is, but AFAIK most cataract surgeons and retina
specialists wouldn't agree with her.
sdavies6 - 13 Oct 2006 01:32 GMT
I stand corrected.  I was thinking of the Verisys, which is an implant.  Of
course CLE is something I'm considering.  I have heard that the Visian is
not a great choice, as it loses its accomodating feature in a year or two.

>> From everything I've heard, from doctors, and read on the Internet as
>> well as the Visian web site, you do not give an interocular lens to
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>
> -MT
William Stacy, O.D. - 12 Oct 2006 23:44 GMT
oh and make sure you get one who's comfy doing limbal relaxing
incisions, so you get the max vision you can.

w.stacy, o.d.

>>>>I've had a few patients in these lenses and I always try to convert
>>
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> What kind of refractive surgery would you suggest for a 56 years old
> with -14?
Dr Judy - 13 Oct 2006 01:35 GMT
> Just came from a visit to my opthamologist.  My vision in the left eye
> is -14.75 and -2.5 (I think she said I had a slight astigmatism).  We are
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> disposable or extended wear.  I can currently tolerate the AcuVue Advanced,
> so I need something as light and easy to wear.

You could stick with your -12 and get thin glasses with -2.75 and the
astigmatism correction to wear over.  

Dr Judy
 
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