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Problems with pinhole glasses

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Nordic - 19 Aug 2006 20:04 GMT
Hi all,

I've been experimenting with pinhole glasses for a while, but they
don't seem to work for me. (I can still return the glasses.) I'd like
to know if other users have had similar problems and if they did or did
not find a solution.

I'm moderately myopic with some astigmatism. When viewing through the
glasses, I see the grid between the holes fairly clearly, even though I
do my best to look through the holes.

The biggest problem is that when objects move in my field of vision,
they "double" where they move from one hole to another. That is, the
objects double or even triple if they appear in an area of my field of
vision where two or more holes intersect. This is very uncomfortable.

Also, I don't see as clearly as with my prescription glasses. And I see
more clearly if I look through the edge of a hole rather than through
the center of it.

The manufacturer's representative told me that some people's eyes never
get used to the grid, but almost all those whom I've asked to try them
have found the grid distracting, with the same doubling/tripling effect
I've experienced. If you are using pinhole glasses, do you actually see
clearly and without problems with them?

I'd be very grateful for your experiences and advice.
Anon E. Muss - 19 Aug 2006 20:58 GMT
>Hi all,
>
>I've been experimenting with pinhole glasses for a while, but they
>don't seem to work for me.

[snip]

>I'd be very grateful for your experiences and advice.

Use prescription ophthalmic glasses, not pinhole ones.

Seriously.
drfrank21@gmail.com - 19 Aug 2006 21:02 GMT
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> I'd be very grateful for your experiences and advice.

Advice- pinhole glasses for any type of "vision improvement" is
just a sham. Pinholes just don't work.
Get your money back if you can and wear
your prescription glasses.

frank
LarryDoc - 19 Aug 2006 22:20 GMT
"Pinhole glasses vision improvement" is a scam. Sales have been banned
in the USA.

LB, O.D.
The Real Bev - 19 Aug 2006 23:46 GMT
> "Pinhole glasses vision improvement" is a scam. Sales have been banned
> in the USA.

I bought some for a quarter at a yard sale.  They indeed cleared up my
vision, but at a price -- narrow angle of view and REALLY dark.  They're
a gimmick and worth just about what I paid for them.

Signature

Cheers, Bev
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Salmon Egg - 20 Aug 2006 02:21 GMT
On 8/19/06 12:04 PM, in article
1156014295.347671.168740@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com, "Nordic"
<nordic1966@luukku.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> I'd be very grateful for your experiences and advice.

You are discovering the optical properties of pinhole glasses the hard way.
Out of curiosity, how much do they cost?

What is the "grid between the holes"? Is that what you mean to say?

I am not a health professional. Multiple images can be an indication of
cataracts or other optical malformations of your eyes optical system. For an
unaberrated eye, images from the various pinholes should fall on top of each
other on the retina.

As far as I can tell, the main use is diagnostic to distinguish between
refractive problems and other kinds of eye problems.

Bill
-- Ferme le Bush
Nordic - 21 Aug 2006 00:30 GMT
> What is the "grid between the holes"? Is that what you mean to say?

By it, I simply mean the opaque black material (that appears as a
"grid" or "honeycomb") between the holes. The sales representative said
one should not be visually aware of the opaque part when seeing through
the holes, but practically everyone who has put the glasses on has seen
it.

The image doubling or tripling has also been experienced by all who
have put the glasses on. The reson for this is probably simple:

The holes in the pinhole glasses are, well, separate from each other.
:-) When an object seen through the holes crosses from one hole in the
field of view to another, it "jumps" or "doubles" (obviously so, as the
holes are some distance from one another).

I guess the idea is that one's eyes should stop seeing the opaque
material between the holes, ie that it disappears and one starts to see
in the same way as when using normal prescription glasses. It just
doesn't seem to happen.

Salmon Egg kirjoitti:

> On 8/19/06 12:04 PM, in article
> 1156014295.347671.168740@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com, "Nordic"
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> Bill
> -- Ferme le Bush
Ace - 20 Aug 2006 04:21 GMT
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> I'd be very grateful for your experiences and advice.

I experience the same thru pinhole glasses. Also they only get me to
20/150. Pinholes are a good idea for children just starting to become
myopic and who wish to avoid stair-case myopia that a minus lens
causes. Those children use pinhole to clearly see the chalkboard and
plus glasses to read. This helps slow or stop their myopia progression.
As for vision improvement, just take your minus glasses off for
reading, use reduced minus for the computer and around the house
Mike Tyner - 20 Aug 2006 05:10 GMT
> I experience the same thru pinhole glasses. Also they only get me to
> 20/150.

Doctors usually consider this a sign of organic disease.

> Pinholes are a good idea for children just starting to become
> myopic and who wish to avoid stair-case myopia

Is that why the Federal Trade Commission shuts down anyone who makes that
claim?

> causes. Those children use pinhole to clearly see the chalkboard and
> plus glasses to read. This helps slow or stop their myopia progression.

Please tell us how you know this. If Otis is your only authority, you're
setting yourself up to look foolish. If you care.

-MT
Ace - 20 Aug 2006 05:41 GMT
Mike Tyner:

> Doctors usually consider this a sign of organic disease.

I am too myopic to get good vision thru pinholes.(20/600 UCVA, 20/150
pinholes, 20/50 tiny hole in a piece of paper, 20/25 with glasses) You
will always see much better with full power prescription glasses than
thru pinholes. Now if I place pinholes over glasses, I see even better!

> Is that why the Federal Trade Commission shuts down anyone who makes that
> claim?

If you are unable to purchase pinholes, you can simply make your own.
Or you can just move closer to the board or copy someone elses notes. I
wish I had gone without minus glasses as long as possible and if I had
to use them, only for emergencies and driving.

> Please tell us how you know this. If Otis is your only authority, you're
> setting yourself up to look foolish. If you care.
>
> -MT

Proof has been shown, but you M.O optometrists believe in what you want
to. I can only hope oneday myopia prevention is taken seriously or
almost everyone is going to become myopic. Already more than 50% of
people in some countries are myopic!
bldegle2@comcast.net - 20 Aug 2006 06:02 GMT
"Already more than 50% of
people in some countries are myopic! "

hmm, that is an interesting figure.  what countries are we talking
about?  are they located here on good old earth, or far, far away in a
galaxy we haven't visited yet?

anyway, mean jokes aside, i would really like to know which countries
you are talking about.  seriously, what countries, pray tell???

feathered one.
Ace - 20 Aug 2006 06:28 GMT
In the U.S., the prevalence of myopia is about 25 percent of the
population, but in Asian countries such as China or Japan it may exceed
70 percent, and it approximates 90 percent in selected populations,
such as Chinese university students.

Short-sightedness is common in many areas, but it is enormous in such
countries as Singapore. By 18 years of age, 80 per cent of local people
have short-sightedness, 30 years ago there were only 25% of such
people. The police has lack of people with normal eye-sight, in
addition, too many people have too high short-sightedness, they can
become blind because of it.

According to another research, 80 percent of 14-18 year-old male
students in Israel high school majoring in religion, suffer from
myopia.  Meanwhile, in the state schools, only 30 percent of young
Israelis have myopia. So, the lifestyle should be blamed for this
disease spreading.

As lifestyle changes, myopia is growing. Currently, half of 12-year-old
Swedish schoolchildren suffer from short-sightedness. When they turn
18, there may be 70% short-sighted among them, NTR.ru reports.
Ace - 20 Aug 2006 10:38 GMT
I found a website saying the benefits of pinhole glasses are huge!

http://www.pinhole-glasses.com/index.htm
Ann - 20 Aug 2006 14:02 GMT
>I found a website saying the benefits of pinhole glasses are huge!
>
>http://www.pinhole-glasses.com/index.htm

Ace, that's because they are trying to sell them.  Wise up a bit.

Also if you are going to copy and paste from websites as you have done
in  your other posts,  then you really ought to acknowledge the
source.  Have you ever heard of plagiarism?

Ann
Quick - 20 Aug 2006 20:04 GMT
>> I found a website saying the benefits of pinhole glasses
>> are huge!
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> ought to acknowledge the source.  Have you ever heard of
> plagiarism?

If he quoted there wouldn't be any original material and
people wouldn't think he is as smart as they do now...
well, maybe not. lol

-Quick
LarryDoc - 21 Aug 2006 04:19 GMT
> www.pinhole-glasses.com

Excellent.  I forwarded the site address to the US FTC as a complaint
meriting investigation as fraud.

Too bad I can't have them investigate YOU as a fraud.

LB, OD.
Ace - 21 Aug 2006 05:01 GMT
> > www.pinhole-glasses.com
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> LB, OD.

They have broke no laws, pinhole glasses dont require a prescription.
They are legal and anyone can buy them.
Mike Tyner - 21 Aug 2006 06:23 GMT
> They have broke no laws, pinhole glasses dont require a prescription.
> They are legal and anyone can buy them.

Sure. But advertising that they improve vision or prevent myopia is a sure
way to get the FTC knocking on your door.

The smarter way is to find nitwits who will advertise for them.

-MT
bldegle2@comcast.net - 20 Aug 2006 19:10 GMT
> In the U.S., the prevalence of myopia is about 25 percent of the
> population, but in Asian countries such as China or Japan it may exceed
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Swedish schoolchildren suffer from short-sightedness. When they turn
> 18, there may be 70% short-sighted among them, NTR.ru reports.

that is a total copy and paste from the article you referenced in
another thread, but it is posted as if it is your own words,
weird...........

also, since the article you found is a short summary of data supposedly
collected from around the world, condensed and presented for review,
but, pray tell, where did these figures come from, what clinical study,
sources and links to verify the informations contained therein so we
can see how this data was compiled......

Again, your shortsightedness is showing, no, it is glaring.

The only thing good about your copy and paste is the spelling is
usually much better than your normal prose...........................

feathered one
bldegle2@comcast.net - 20 Aug 2006 20:33 GMT
update, another thread provided the data summarized with his copy and
paste.

feathered

> > In the U.S., the prevalence of myopia is about 25 percent of the
> > population, but in Asian countries such as China or Japan it may exceed
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> feathered one
otisbrown@pa.net - 20 Aug 2006 14:15 GMT
Dear Feathered One,

          MYOPIA PREVALENCE IS ALWAYS HIGHER THAN 90 PERCENT
                    FOR TAIWAN MEDICAL STUDENTS

Re: Changes in ocular refraction and its components
   among medical students - a 5-year longitudinal study", Optom.
   Vis.  Sci., 73:495-498, 1996) found that in a study of 345
   National Taiwan University medical students, the myopia
   prevalence increased from 92.8% to 95.8%!  over the five year
   period.

                      ******************

1)  In Singapore, the vision of 421,116 males between the ages of
   15 and 25 was examined.  In 1974-84, 26.3% were myopic; in
   1987-91, 43.3% were myopic.  Both the prevalence and severity
   of myopia were higher as the level of education increased.
   The prevalence rate was 15.4% in males with no formal
   education and increased steadily through the education levels
   to reach 65.1% among the university graduates in 1987-91.  The
   authors state that their findings confirm indications from
   other sources that the association between the prevalence and
   severity of myopia and education attainment is real (M.T.
   Tay, K.G.  Au Eong, C.Y.  Ng and M.K.  Lim, "Myopia and
   Educational Attainment in 421,116 Young Singaporean Males,"
   Ann Acad Med Singapore, 1992, Nov;21(6):785-91).

2)  Regarding the prevalence of myopia in Asian countries, Lam and
   Goh (Lam, C.S.  and Goh, W.S., "The incidence of refractive
   errors among schoolchildren in Hong Kong in relationship with
   the optical components", Clin.  Exp.  Optom., 74:97-103, 1991)
   found that in 383 school children from ages 6 to 17 years, the
   prevalence of myopia increased from 30% at ages 6-7 years, to
   70% at ages 16-17 years.

3)  Lam and Yap (Lam, C.S.  and Yap, M.  "Ocular dimensions and
   refraction in Chinese Orientals", Proc.  Int.  Soc.  Eye Res.,
   6:121, 1990) found that in a group of optometry students at
   The Hong Kong Polytechnic University, the prevalence of myopia
   was 75% in females and 69% in males.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

CRITICAL TRUTH:

4)  Goh and Lam (Goh, W.S.  and Lam, C.S., "Changes in refractive
   trends and optical components of Hong Kong Chinese aged 19-39
   years," Ophthal.  Physiol.  Opt., 14:378-382, 1994) found that
   in 2000 first-year students at the University of Hong Kong,
   the prevalence of myopia was 87.5%.

Enjoy,

Otis
 
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