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Medical Forum / General / Vision / August 2006

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I give kudos and props to CatmanX(Grant) for supporting orthoK! Over 99% satisfaction rate!

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acemanvx@yahoo.com - 11 Aug 2006 06:11 GMT
This is what he said:

It is very simple. Now pay attention and you may learn something. It
works to my patients satisfaction or they get their money back. THey
determine if they are happy. To date I have refunded 3 patients of a
total of 800. The remainder love it.

Why more OD's don't do OK is beyond my comprehension.

Firstly, it is a modality that belongs to optometry alone, it is very
effective as long as the target group is correctly adhered to and the
appropriate testing is performed and finally it is highly complementary

to RS. In fact several RS clinics in the US have srarted their OD's
doing OK to pick up on those not wishing to get the laser blast but
still keen on ditching glasses.

There has been much bad publicity due to poor science in the 70's, more

recently microbial keratitis (although this was mostly in China) and
most OD's either are not willing to commit the money for equipment,
time to learn or are not competent enough in CL fitting to do this.

Really, OK is another means of correction, like any other CL, glasses
and RS.

Ortho K is a very safe and effevctive treatment. The adjustment period
these days is very short and most people will get 20/20 vision is 1-3
days.

I find around half my patients wear the lenses every second night and
love the freedom from any optical device during the day.

I guarantee 20/20 for the full day, or your money back. Half get 20/20
for 2 days. THis has been my practice for 13 years now and still they
come in for OK.
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 11 Aug 2006 07:08 GMT
More words from him:

OK is effective over long periods. The long term complications are the
same as with long term CL wear. THese days, due to high Dk materials,
the long term problems such as polymegathism and corneal thinning are
not an issue.

THere are no dry eye problems with OK. You have normal vision through
the day without any dehydration.

Thekeratitis aspect comes down to 2 eactors, hygiene and lens design.
The hygiene is no differernt than with any other CL wearer. Clean
lenses, clean hands etc.Being GP materials, bacterial adhesion is low
but can still happen and Dk over 100 means minimal corneal oedema, so
the epithelial surface remains in good shape and this is the single
greatest factor in infection control.

There were a few cases of microbial keratitis reported this year, most
from asia. The problem here is the optometrists often don't know what
they are doing, the patient selection is poor and the lens designs can
be pretty awful. There are a few designs being used which are apical
touch systems and this alone can create some epithelial abrasion which
can lead to bacterial invasion.

Asia represents a big problem for OK as it is being pushed as the cure
for myopia. It is not. It is being pushed as stopping progression.
THere is no research that shows this. They try OK on -12.00 myopes, it
will not work and will never work using current lens designs.

IMO, OK is the second best thing I do at work. It is the best thing I
do with CL's and the results are nothing short of stunning when you
select the right candidate. Just yesterday, I had a 16 year old
patient in, who had been in OK for 1 week. He couldn't believe that he
was reading smaller print from the back of the class than his friends
could. This gives me a big buzz.

OK is a great treatment for a certain group of patients. It is not the
ultimate treatment for all and never should be pushed as such.

It is a great
treatment. It is no different to any overnight wear of CL's, although
there is the exception that there is no lens in the eye for 16-18
hours per day.

OK is a great treatment for the target group. Up to -3.00 can easily
and effectively be treated with OK, and beyond that it gets harder.
You can't treat -6.00 effectively as the size of the treatment zone is
so small you don't get clear vision. I have -4.00 corrected, but not
all of them work. I have a few -5.00 corrections, but they were only
prescribed with the understanding that I did not believe the treatment
would work and the patient insisted on going ahead.

I can let you in on some long term results from my own experience.
When refitting an OK patient after a few years, I have them cease lens
wear for 1-2 weeks and then reperformed topography, to ensure that the
new lenses are as well prescribed as possible, even in a successful
wearer who puts the lenses in 2-3 times per week and has good quality
20/20 vision all week.

My experience is that these patients have virtually identical
topography compared to their pre OK topography. THe results are so
close, there is no more variation than shen you take several
measurements on the one patient in the one sitting.
retinula - 11 Aug 2006 12:06 GMT
what kind of crusade are you on?

why are you posting statements and restatements of others?

why do you insist on talking about something that you have no actual
knowledge of or experience with?

how do your posts add any value to this newsgroup?

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> More words from him:
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> close, there is no more variation than shen you take several
> measurements on the one patient in the one sitting.
Dr. Leukoma - 11 Aug 2006 13:13 GMT
> what kind of crusade are you on?
>
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>
> how do your posts add any value to this newsgroup?

Ace just likes to jerk everyone's chains to see what happens.  I see he
has been digging through my old posts, just to find something to stir
up the pot with.

DrG
Anon E. Muss - 11 Aug 2006 15:59 GMT
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>Ace just likes to jerk everyone's chains to see what happens.  I see he
>has been digging through my old posts, just to find something to stir
>up the pot with.

<http://tinyurl.com/ac2ea>

    [...]
    "In general, conventional wisdom advises users to avoid
    feeding trolls, and to ignore temptations to respond.
    Responding to a troll inevitably drives discussion off-topic,
    to the dismay of bystanders, and supplies the troll with the
    craved attention."
    [...]

Please note:  this is not a command, just information for the readers
here.

While I find this above to be excellent advice and reflects my
experiences from interacting with Usenet since 1994, each individual
poster can choose for themselves how this wish to deal with Ace.
Ace - 12 Aug 2006 00:38 GMT
> > what kind of crusade are you on?
> >
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>
> DrG

I was going to compliment you too Leukoma, on the positive statements
you said about orthoK in your old posts. The credit is yours sir :)
Dr. Leukoma - 11 Aug 2006 13:21 GMT
> what kind of crusade are you on?

One thing about Otis is that he firmly believes in what he promotes.
On the other hand, Ace doesn't.

DrG
otisbrown@pa.net - 11 Aug 2006 15:28 GMT
> > what kind of crusade are you on?
>
> One thing about Otis is that he firmly believes in what he promotes.
> On the other hand, Ace doesn't.
>
> DrG

With all due respect -- I think that Ortho-K is difficult.

Otis
Ace - 12 Aug 2006 00:34 GMT
> what kind of crusade are you on?
>
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>
> how do your posts add any value to this newsgroup?

They help people deciding to get orthoK by offering advice and tips. It
contrubates much to sci.med.vision for those seeking the wonders of
orthoK that Leukoma and catmanx know alot about.
 
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