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wavy lines in dry amd:  causes other than neovascularization ?

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Herbert.Kocks@gmail.com - 02 Aug 2006 22:01 GMT
A sudden onset of wavy lines in the lower/right
quadrant of the Amsler grid led to an emergency
visit to my retinal specialist, who found no bleeding.
Other than neovascularization (progression to
wet amd), what other explanations exist?  The
wavy lines began right after workup for cataract
surgery.  Can eyedrops cause wavy lines?
( grasping at straws, I know :)

Thank you,
H.K.
Don W - 02 Aug 2006 22:17 GMT
>A sudden onset of wavy lines in the lower/right
> quadrant of the Amsler grid led to an emergency
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> Thank you,
> H.K.

 Your doctor should have given you an OCT.  This might have shown the
presence of drusen that would modulate the RPE and would thusly cause the
Amsler grid lines to wave.  This would occur with dry amd.
 Good luck.

Don W.
Anon E. Muss - 03 Aug 2006 06:41 GMT
>A sudden onset of wavy lines in the lower/right quadrant of the Amsler
>grid led to an emergency visit to my retinal specialist, who found no
>bleeding.  Other than neovascularization (progression to
>wet amd), what other explanations exist?

Retinal edema, progressing non-exudative non-treatable AMD changes.

>The wavy lines began right after workup for cataract surgery.  Can
>eyedrops cause wavy lines?

Certain drops (e.g., epinephrine, prostaglandin analogs) can increase
your risk for, say, cystoid macular edema, which could cause your
complaints.

But, no, your eye doctor did not cause your metamorphopsia as a result
of the eye drops he used as part of your cataract workup.
Don W - 03 Aug 2006 22:41 GMT
>>A sudden onset of wavy lines in the lower/right quadrant of the Amsler
>>grid led to an emergency visit to my retinal specialist, who found no
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> your risk for, say, cystoid macular edema, which could cause your
> complaints.

The edema (whatever variety) would also have shown up on an OCT, which
should have been given.  Truth?

Don W.
Anon E. Muss - 04 Aug 2006 03:22 GMT
>>>A sudden onset of wavy lines in the lower/right quadrant of the Amsler
>>>grid led to an emergency visit to my retinal specialist, who found no
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>The edema (whatever variety) would also have shown up on an OCT, which
>should have been given.  Truth?

It is extremely hard to argue against performing a non-invasive test
like an OCT for recent/sudden onset of unexplained metamorphopsia in a
patient with AMD.  But perhaps we don't know the whole story here.

It also hard to imagine a retinal specialist who does not own an OCT
in 8/2006.

Another cause of such complaint could be an epiretinal membrane, but
the onset of such is typically more insidious.
Don W - 04 Aug 2006 06:23 GMT
>>>>A sudden onset of wavy lines in the lower/right quadrant of the Amsler
>>>>grid led to an emergency visit to my retinal specialist, who found no
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> Another cause of such complaint could be an epiretinal membrane, but
> the onset of such is typically more insidious.

 It would be nice for the patient to find out why he didn't get this test.
All it would take would be a phone call to the doctor's office.  Too
important for this to be left as is.  Either that or get a second opinion.

Don W.
Herbert.Kocks@gmail.com - 04 Aug 2006 20:12 GMT
>   It would be nice for the patient to find out why he didn't get this test.
> All it would take would be a phone call to the doctor's office.  Too
> important for this to be left as is.  Either that or get a second opinion.
>
> Don W.

The doctor performed an OCT in the afflicted eye.  He's a highly
regarded retinal specialist in the Bay Area.  No dearth of technology
here.

What our doctors lack is time, to explain and discuss.  One famous
ophthalmologist in the area allegedly averages 28 cataracts on the
days he operates.  If a patient like me notices wavy lines the day
before a surgery, how much time does that doc have to explain retinal
test results and suggest life-style changes?  My doc's office is full
of sales literature for the various IOLs.  Not one pamphlet in the
office informs the patient about amd or ocular nutrition.  I think more
emphasis should be on the intractable problems rather than on the
effectively solved problem of cataracts, but I can understand that it's
more pleasant to fix an ocular problem than to discuss fish, spinach,
possibilities, probabilities and low vision aids.

H.K.
Don W - 04 Aug 2006 22:10 GMT
>>   It would be nice for the patient to find out why he didn't get this
>> test.
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>
>  H.K.

So the OCT _was_ judged as normal?

Don W.
Herbert.Kocks@gmail.com - 05 Aug 2006 04:16 GMT
The conclusions were "not wet" (yet) and ok
to proceed with cataract repair.  Whether the
OCT was "normal," I don't know. The retinal
specialist and the ophthalmologist huddled
privately.  You're teaching me to ask
intelligent questions.

Thank you,
H.K.

> So the OCT _was_ judged as normal?
>
> Don W.
Herbert.Kocks@gmail.com - 05 Aug 2006 04:17 GMT
The conclusions were "not wet" (yet) and ok
to proceed with cataract repair.  Whether the
OCT was "normal," I don't know. The retinal
specialist and the ophthalmologist huddled
privately.  You're teaching me to ask
intelligent questions.

Thank you,
H.K.

> So the OCT _was_ judged as normal?
>
> Don W.
Herbert.Kocks@gmail.com - 05 Aug 2006 04:17 GMT
The conclusions were "not wet" (yet) and ok
to proceed with cataract repair.  Whether the
OCT was "normal," I don't know. The retinal
specialist and the ophthalmologist huddled
privately.  You're teaching me to ask
intelligent questions.

Thank you,
H.K.

> So the OCT _was_ judged as normal?
>
> Don W.
 
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