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Multiifocals-Monovision?

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MS - 25 Jul 2006 16:50 GMT
I was wearing N&Ds monovision for a couple of years. Right: -5.25, and
left: -4.5. (My left eye is actually much more myopic than the right, but it
was undercorrected to be the reading eye.)

I recently had an eye exam. I told the eye doc that I would like to try the
new Purevision multifocals. I was first fitted for them (trial) with
Right: -5.25, Left: -6.25, high add on both. (I am 54 years old, in case
that gives some idea of the state of my presbyopia.)

My distance vision and depth perception were much better with these than
with my previous monovision lenses. Unfortunately, however, the near vision
was much worse, and I had to use reading glasses much of the time. (Whereas,
the whole point of using multifocals or monovision is to avoid reading
glasses.)

So, now it's gone to "modified monovision", and the left eye has been
changed to -5.5, right eye still -5.25, both still high add. Now, I can read
most things without reading glasses. Of course, distance vision is not
nearly as good as with the previous lenses.

I understand that both multifocals and monovision are a compromise, that
with neither one will have perfect vision both near and far, without glasses
over them. I'm not sure if this current compromise is better or worse than
the previous (monovision only) one. (Perhaps I should try one right after
the other, testing my near and far vision, to see which compromise works
better.)

I am curious to know, for others who have worn or prescribed this B&L
multifocal design (I understand that the Purevision multifocal design is the
same as the Soflens multifocal design, just different materials), have you
found that often the multifocal design in and of itself, even with high add,
is not enough in itself to provide reading-without-glasses ability, and that
usually some degree of monovision has to be involved to get that outcome?

Could it be that the "high add" of this design is really not high enough for
people in their 50s or older, that it should be re-named "medium add", and
that they  should add one with a higher add than the current "high"?

Do some other soft multifocals provide greater add than B&Ls "high"?
(Unfortunately though, no other multifocals yet in silicon hydrogel
material. Anyone know if there are others on the way? N&D multifocals? Oasys
multifocals?)

As far as comfort, I think pretty similar to the N&Ds overall. However, on
first waking up in the morning (after sleeping in them), I think the PVs are
less comfortable than the NDs, perhaps due to the lower dK.
Sandy - 26 Jul 2006 00:18 GMT
You need to decide, what's more important?  Getting the best possible
multifocal design, or wearing silicone hydrogel lenses?

If you look beyond silicone hydrogels, there are plenty of great
multifocals to choose from.

If you must have both, I heard that a s/h Acuvue Bifocal is just around
the corner.
MS - 27 Jul 2006 01:31 GMT
> You need to decide, what's more important?  Getting the best possible
> multifocal design, or wearing silicone hydrogel lenses?

Are you referring to a particular lens, as having the "best possible
multifocal design"?

Certainly silicone hydrogel is a far superior type of material for soft
contacts than older materials,
LarryDoc - 26 Jul 2006 06:25 GMT
> I am curious to know, for others who have worn or prescribed this B&L
> multifocal design (I understand that the Purevision multifocal design is the
> same as the Soflens multifocal design, just different materials), have you
> found that often the multifocal design in and of itself, even with high add,
> is not enough in itself to provide reading-without-glasses ability, and that
> usually some degree of monovision has to be involved to get that outcome?

I've fit dozens of people with PV multifocals and getting great near
vision for up to a 2D add has never been a problem.  I just fit a woman
who is in her 60's with a +2.50 add and no problem, which I'll admit
surprised me. Where I DO sometimes find is less than stellar distance
vision, but the PV lens is often clearly better than others I've used. I
do believe there is an issue with certain minus powers over about 5.75
0r 6 in getting the "full" add power. I personally have not experience
that.

> Could it be that the "high add" of this design is really not high enough for
> people in their 50s or older, that it should be re-named "medium add", and
> that they  should add one with a higher add than the current "high"?

I believe a higher add power would conflict with providing simultaneous
distance vision in terms of loss of contrast sensitivity and decreased
distance acuity. A better option is to simply put the missing +.50 in
the non-dominant eye----a little "modified monovision."  The best of
both worlds with good depth perception and good vision all around.

> Do some other soft multifocals provide greater add than B&Ls "high"?
> (Unfortunately though, no other multifocals yet in silicon hydrogel
> material. Anyone know if there are others on the way? N&D multifocals? Oasys
> multifocals?)

Sure, you can get anything you want. The question is: what will give you
the best performance.  

I would assume that that all the silicone hydrogel manufacturers will
have multifocals by the end of 2007 if not sooner.  CIBA, J&J and Cooper
would be insane to let B&L have the entire market.  But then again B&L
is walking away with 90% of the to si-hy toric business.  And that was
all before they began their current marketing blitz to the docs.

It makes one wonder.

LB, O.D.
MS - 27 Jul 2006 01:31 GMT
> I've fit dozens of people with PV multifocals and getting great near
> vision for up to a 2D add has never been a problem.  I just fit a woman
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> 0r 6 in getting the "full" add power. I personally have not experience
> that.

Thanks again for your knowledgeable response, Larry!

I'm surprised, since I have had problems with near vision with them. Well,
my first left lens was -6.25, right only -5.25 though, both high add. As I
wrote, I found the distance vision with that combination much better than
what I was used to, having previously worn sv monovision (N&D) lenses (with
the left all the way down to -4.50). But near vision was not good. I had to
wear reading glasses most of the time for near work, which kind of defeats
the purpose of multifocal contacts.

> I believe a higher add power would conflict with providing simultaneous
> distance vision in terms of loss of contrast sensitivity and decreased
> distance acuity. A better option is to simply put the missing +.50 in
> the non-dominant eye----a little "modified monovision."  The best of
> both worlds with good depth perception and good vision all around.

As I mentioned, that is what I am trying now. I'm wearing a -5.5 in my left
eye now, still high add, ¾ diopter less than the first one. Of course that
great distance vision is reduced. I'm not sure now if it's better than what
I had with the sv monovision lenses. Reading is of course better than with
the prior pair, but not as clear as it was with the monovision (with left
down to -4.50). I have sometimes still been using reading glasses with
these. The eye doc also gave me a -5.0 to try in the left eye. I haven't
tried it yet. That should improve the near vision more, although of course
at the expense of further reduced distance and depth perception. (And--if
it's going that far into monovision--I'm not sure what the point of the
multifocals would be.)

>> Do some other soft multifocals provide greater add than B&Ls "high"?
>> (Unfortunately though, no other multifocals yet in silicon hydrogel
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> Sure, you can get anything you want. The question is: what will give you
> the best performance.

Of course. That's what I was asking about. Putting aside for a minute the
better material of the purevision, have you found no better optical results
with any other model of soft multifocal?
LarryDoc - 27 Jul 2006 02:06 GMT
> Of course. That's what I was asking about. Putting aside for a minute the
> better material of the purevision, have you found no better optical results
> with any other model of soft multifocal?

Purevision is thus far the best I've tried.  But then again I do not use
lenses made of some of the older materials and that eliminates a number
of otherwise theoretically optically good multifocal brands. The
Proclear mutifocal in the D design is also quite good but only for adds
to about 1.50 or +1.75.  They use a "N" lens for the non-dom eye which
ends up being basically modified monovision.  I don't particular care
for monovision as a choice for people who have good stereo/depth
perception or who do not have very obvious and strong dominance.

LB, O.D.
Jane - 27 Jul 2006 04:10 GMT
Has anyone had experience with Triton bifocal soft contacts by Gelflex?
They're made of the same material as Extreme H2O lenses.  They correct
nearsightness, farsightness and astigmatism, and the add goes to at
least +2.00D.
MS - 27 Jul 2006 17:07 GMT
By the way, Larry (getting a little OT from the subject of soft lenses),
have Menifocal Z lenses become available in the US yet? Have you prescribed
them? If so, how have they been working out for patients?

>> Of course. That's what I was asking about. Putting aside for a minute the
>> better material of the purevision, have you found no better optical
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>
> LB, O.D.
LarryDoc - 27 Jul 2006 19:10 GMT
> By the way, Larry (getting a little OT from the subject of soft lenses),
> have Menifocal Z lenses become available in the US yet? Have you prescribed
> them? If so, how have they been working out for patients?

Menifocal Z became available a few weeks ago in limited distribution.
I'm wearing them and have four patients in them. Easy to fit and
excellent vision.  Thusfar, very impressed. But an N of 5 and three
weeks experience is not much to go by.  (But certainly better data than
Otis every had!)

LB, O.D.
MS - 29 Jul 2006 18:04 GMT
> Menifocal Z became available a few weeks ago in limited distribution.
> I'm wearing them and have four patients in them. Easy to fit and
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>
> LB, O.D.

Thanks again for the info.

What do you mean by "N of 5"?

Also, what is meant by "limited distribution"? Are they still not available
to most ODs?
LarryDoc - 29 Jul 2006 18:55 GMT

> What do you mean by "N of 5"?

Size of sample/test group = 5 people.  Not a large enough test group to
draw conclusions (unless, of course, your Otis or Ace, in which case
even data from one test subject is sufficient to make sweeping
declarations.)

> Also, what is meant by "limited distribution"? Are they still not available
> to most ODs?

Only one USA distributor. Many docs don't know about it. Very few trial
fitting sets in doctor's offices, which makes fitting the lens quick and
simple. USA local inventory limited. Many lenses must be manufactured in
and delivered from Japan which takes 2-6 weeks.  All of the above info
subject to change, and hopefully very soon.

LB, OD.
MS - 30 Jul 2006 01:04 GMT
> Only one USA distributor.

Is that Con-cise?

Have you and/or your patients tried sleeping in the menifocal z's yet? Are
they just as comfortable for EW as N&Ds?
retinula - 29 Jul 2006 12:32 GMT
> I understand that both multifocals and monovision are a compromise, that
> with neither one will have perfect vision both near and far, without glasses
> over them. I'm not sure if this current compromise is better or worse than
> the previous (monovision only) one. (Perhaps I should try one right after
> the other, testing my near and far vision, to see which compromise works
> better.)

exactly what you should do.  if i was fitting you i would set up a side
by side test where you wear one set of lenses (Focus N&D mono vs. PV
multif) one day and the other the next.  ultimately YOU need to find
out which configuration works best for YOU in your life situations.
then the doctor can confirm good fit on whatever lens pair you like.

you are also correct in stating that you need to accept compromises.
accepting a compromise in depth perception, distance acuity, or near
acuity, is the only way you will find a set of lenses that will work
for you.

> I am curious to know, for others who have worn or prescribed this B&L
> multifocal design (I understand that the Purevision multifocal design is the
> same as the Soflens multifocal design, just different materials), have you
> found that often the multifocal design in and of itself, even with high add,
> is not enough in itself to provide reading-without-glasses ability, and that
> usually some degree of monovision has to be involved to get that outcome?

it varies quite a bit.  most often i find that the high bifocal design
of B&L multifocals (whether SL or PV plastics are employed) gives good
near vision but distorted distance vision.  in my practice i would say
the complaint i hear most often is not "my near isn't good enough" but
instead complaints about "my distance vision is blurring and seems
distorted somehow".  thats the way the hi add lenses appear to me when
i wear them also but like i say, its a very individual judgment.

> Could it be that the "high add" of this design is really not high enough for
> people in their 50s or older, that it should be re-named "medium add", and
> that they  should add one with a higher add than the current "high"?

i think the add really is pretty high

> Do some other soft multifocals provide greater add than B&Ls "high"?
> (Unfortunately though, no other multifocals yet in silicon hydrogel
> material. Anyone know if there are others on the way? N&D multifocals? Oasys
> multifocals?)

i would assume so, but how soon i don't know.
Jane - 29 Jul 2006 15:32 GMT
> > (Unfortunately though, no other multifocals yet in silicon hydrogel
> > material. Anyone know if there are others on the way? N&D multifocals? Oasys
> > multifocals?)
>
> i would assume so, but how soon i don't know.

Yes, there is another soft bifocal lens made of silicone hydrogel (and
approved by the FDA) currently available--the Triton soft bifocal lens
from Gelflex.  It uses a translating design (as opposed to the
"simultaneous vision" design used by other soft multifocals), so the
problem of compromise between distance and near vision should be
eliminated.  Per the manufacturer, intermediate vision is provided by
undercorrecting near vision in the nondominate eye by .50D.  The lenses
also correct astigmatism.

I found the "fitting" lenses from Triton very comfortable.
Unfortunately, I'm fast developing a cataract in one eye following
retinal surgery, so I'm waiting till after cataract surgery to order
the lenses in my prescription.  (These lenses aren't disposables.)
Meanwhile, I'd love to hear input from users of the lens.
LarryDoc - 29 Jul 2006 17:46 GMT
> Yes, there is another soft bifocal lens made of silicone hydrogel (and
> approved by the FDA) currently available--the Triton soft bifocal lens
> from Gelflex.  

That is incorrect.  The lens is not available in si-hydro material.

LB, O.D.
MS - 07 Aug 2006 21:26 GMT
Just to follow-up:

After the last prescription I mentioned, PV MF -5.25R -5.5L, both high ADD,
I tried with left down to 5.0. Yesterday I went back to my monovision N&D
prescription (-5.25 right, -4.5 left), to compare it. I think I see better
with them than with the pv mfs, not sure though. (It might be that I'm just
more used to it.) Both solutions, of course, are a compromise between far
and near, both far from optimal. (The real myopia prescription for my left
eye is over -6, all mentioned prescriptions involve monovision to some
extent.). I think the N&Ds are more comfortable too, for long term EW use.

Keep us informed on the Menifocal Z lenses, Larry, how they work out over
more time. I might consider them. I wore hard and RGP lenses most of my
adult life, for about 30 years. I have some degree of astigmatism, which
RGPs are better for. I've now become accustomed to the increased comfort of
the soft lenses (last couple years) though, and convenience of EW, so don't
know if I would want to go back to RGPs. I'm wondering though, whether the
Menicon Z material, having such a high dK, and also rated for 30 day EW use,
might be as comfortable as soft lenses?

I might ask my OD also about Purevision Torics. As said, I have some degree
of astigmatism. Not sure how much, but I guess not too much, since I've been
able to get by with the N&Ds, with no astigmatism correction. I have never
worn torics before. I guess it's worth asking though, since torics are now
available in si-hy, whether PV torics (monovision) might improve my vision.
 
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