Medical Forum / General / Vision / August 2006
Multiifocals-Monovision?
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MS - 25 Jul 2006 16:50 GMT I was wearing N&Ds monovision for a couple of years. Right: -5.25, and left: -4.5. (My left eye is actually much more myopic than the right, but it was undercorrected to be the reading eye.)
I recently had an eye exam. I told the eye doc that I would like to try the new Purevision multifocals. I was first fitted for them (trial) with Right: -5.25, Left: -6.25, high add on both. (I am 54 years old, in case that gives some idea of the state of my presbyopia.)
My distance vision and depth perception were much better with these than with my previous monovision lenses. Unfortunately, however, the near vision was much worse, and I had to use reading glasses much of the time. (Whereas, the whole point of using multifocals or monovision is to avoid reading glasses.)
So, now it's gone to "modified monovision", and the left eye has been changed to -5.5, right eye still -5.25, both still high add. Now, I can read most things without reading glasses. Of course, distance vision is not nearly as good as with the previous lenses.
I understand that both multifocals and monovision are a compromise, that with neither one will have perfect vision both near and far, without glasses over them. I'm not sure if this current compromise is better or worse than the previous (monovision only) one. (Perhaps I should try one right after the other, testing my near and far vision, to see which compromise works better.)
I am curious to know, for others who have worn or prescribed this B&L multifocal design (I understand that the Purevision multifocal design is the same as the Soflens multifocal design, just different materials), have you found that often the multifocal design in and of itself, even with high add, is not enough in itself to provide reading-without-glasses ability, and that usually some degree of monovision has to be involved to get that outcome?
Could it be that the "high add" of this design is really not high enough for people in their 50s or older, that it should be re-named "medium add", and that they should add one with a higher add than the current "high"?
Do some other soft multifocals provide greater add than B&Ls "high"? (Unfortunately though, no other multifocals yet in silicon hydrogel material. Anyone know if there are others on the way? N&D multifocals? Oasys multifocals?)
As far as comfort, I think pretty similar to the N&Ds overall. However, on first waking up in the morning (after sleeping in them), I think the PVs are less comfortable than the NDs, perhaps due to the lower dK.
Sandy - 26 Jul 2006 00:18 GMT You need to decide, what's more important? Getting the best possible multifocal design, or wearing silicone hydrogel lenses?
If you look beyond silicone hydrogels, there are plenty of great multifocals to choose from.
If you must have both, I heard that a s/h Acuvue Bifocal is just around the corner.
MS - 27 Jul 2006 01:31 GMT > You need to decide, what's more important? Getting the best possible > multifocal design, or wearing silicone hydrogel lenses? Are you referring to a particular lens, as having the "best possible multifocal design"?
Certainly silicone hydrogel is a far superior type of material for soft contacts than older materials,
LarryDoc - 26 Jul 2006 06:25 GMT > I am curious to know, for others who have worn or prescribed this B&L > multifocal design (I understand that the Purevision multifocal design is the > same as the Soflens multifocal design, just different materials), have you > found that often the multifocal design in and of itself, even with high add, > is not enough in itself to provide reading-without-glasses ability, and that > usually some degree of monovision has to be involved to get that outcome? I've fit dozens of people with PV multifocals and getting great near vision for up to a 2D add has never been a problem. I just fit a woman who is in her 60's with a +2.50 add and no problem, which I'll admit surprised me. Where I DO sometimes find is less than stellar distance vision, but the PV lens is often clearly better than others I've used. I do believe there is an issue with certain minus powers over about 5.75 0r 6 in getting the "full" add power. I personally have not experience that.
> Could it be that the "high add" of this design is really not high enough for > people in their 50s or older, that it should be re-named "medium add", and > that they should add one with a higher add than the current "high"? I believe a higher add power would conflict with providing simultaneous distance vision in terms of loss of contrast sensitivity and decreased distance acuity. A better option is to simply put the missing +.50 in the non-dominant eye----a little "modified monovision." The best of both worlds with good depth perception and good vision all around.
> Do some other soft multifocals provide greater add than B&Ls "high"? > (Unfortunately though, no other multifocals yet in silicon hydrogel > material. Anyone know if there are others on the way? N&D multifocals? Oasys > multifocals?) Sure, you can get anything you want. The question is: what will give you the best performance.
I would assume that that all the silicone hydrogel manufacturers will have multifocals by the end of 2007 if not sooner. CIBA, J&J and Cooper would be insane to let B&L have the entire market. But then again B&L is walking away with 90% of the to si-hy toric business. And that was all before they began their current marketing blitz to the docs.
It makes one wonder.
LB, O.D.
MS - 27 Jul 2006 01:31 GMT > I've fit dozens of people with PV multifocals and getting great near > vision for up to a 2D add has never been a problem. I just fit a woman [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 0r 6 in getting the "full" add power. I personally have not experience > that. Thanks again for your knowledgeable response, Larry!
I'm surprised, since I have had problems with near vision with them. Well, my first left lens was -6.25, right only -5.25 though, both high add. As I wrote, I found the distance vision with that combination much better than what I was used to, having previously worn sv monovision (N&D) lenses (with the left all the way down to -4.50). But near vision was not good. I had to wear reading glasses most of the time for near work, which kind of defeats the purpose of multifocal contacts.
> I believe a higher add power would conflict with providing simultaneous > distance vision in terms of loss of contrast sensitivity and decreased > distance acuity. A better option is to simply put the missing +.50 in > the non-dominant eye----a little "modified monovision." The best of > both worlds with good depth perception and good vision all around. As I mentioned, that is what I am trying now. I'm wearing a -5.5 in my left eye now, still high add, ¾ diopter less than the first one. Of course that great distance vision is reduced. I'm not sure now if it's better than what I had with the sv monovision lenses. Reading is of course better than with the prior pair, but not as clear as it was with the monovision (with left down to -4.50). I have sometimes still been using reading glasses with these. The eye doc also gave me a -5.0 to try in the left eye. I haven't tried it yet. That should improve the near vision more, although of course at the expense of further reduced distance and depth perception. (And--if it's going that far into monovision--I'm not sure what the point of the multifocals would be.)
>> Do some other soft multifocals provide greater add than B&Ls "high"? >> (Unfortunately though, no other multifocals yet in silicon hydrogel [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sure, you can get anything you want. The question is: what will give you > the best performance. Of course. That's what I was asking about. Putting aside for a minute the better material of the purevision, have you found no better optical results with any other model of soft multifocal?
LarryDoc - 27 Jul 2006 02:06 GMT > Of course. That's what I was asking about. Putting aside for a minute the > better material of the purevision, have you found no better optical results > with any other model of soft multifocal? Purevision is thus far the best I've tried. But then again I do not use lenses made of some of the older materials and that eliminates a number of otherwise theoretically optically good multifocal brands. The Proclear mutifocal in the D design is also quite good but only for adds to about 1.50 or +1.75. They use a "N" lens for the non-dom eye which ends up being basically modified monovision. I don't particular care for monovision as a choice for people who have good stereo/depth perception or who do not have very obvious and strong dominance.
LB, O.D.
Jane - 27 Jul 2006 04:10 GMT Has anyone had experience with Triton bifocal soft contacts by Gelflex? They're made of the same material as Extreme H2O lenses. They correct nearsightness, farsightness and astigmatism, and the add goes to at least +2.00D.
MS - 27 Jul 2006 17:07 GMT By the way, Larry (getting a little OT from the subject of soft lenses), have Menifocal Z lenses become available in the US yet? Have you prescribed them? If so, how have they been working out for patients?
>> Of course. That's what I was asking about. Putting aside for a minute the >> better material of the purevision, have you found no better optical [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > LB, O.D. LarryDoc - 27 Jul 2006 19:10 GMT > By the way, Larry (getting a little OT from the subject of soft lenses), > have Menifocal Z lenses become available in the US yet? Have you prescribed > them? If so, how have they been working out for patients? Menifocal Z became available a few weeks ago in limited distribution. I'm wearing them and have four patients in them. Easy to fit and excellent vision. Thusfar, very impressed. But an N of 5 and three weeks experience is not much to go by. (But certainly better data than Otis every had!)
LB, O.D.
MS - 29 Jul 2006 18:04 GMT > Menifocal Z became available a few weeks ago in limited distribution. > I'm wearing them and have four patients in them. Easy to fit and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > LB, O.D. Thanks again for the info.
What do you mean by "N of 5"?
Also, what is meant by "limited distribution"? Are they still not available to most ODs?
LarryDoc - 29 Jul 2006 18:55 GMT
> What do you mean by "N of 5"? Size of sample/test group = 5 people. Not a large enough test group to draw conclusions (unless, of course, your Otis or Ace, in which case even data from one test subject is sufficient to make sweeping declarations.)
> Also, what is meant by "limited distribution"? Are they still not available > to most ODs? Only one USA distributor. Many docs don't know about it. Very few trial fitting sets in doctor's offices, which makes fitting the lens quick and simple. USA local inventory limited. Many lenses must be manufactured in and delivered from Japan which takes 2-6 weeks. All of the above info subject to change, and hopefully very soon.
LB, OD.
MS - 30 Jul 2006 01:04 GMT > Only one USA distributor. Is that Con-cise?
Have you and/or your patients tried sleeping in the menifocal z's yet? Are they just as comfortable for EW as N&Ds?
retinula - 29 Jul 2006 12:32 GMT > I understand that both multifocals and monovision are a compromise, that > with neither one will have perfect vision both near and far, without glasses > over them. I'm not sure if this current compromise is better or worse than > the previous (monovision only) one. (Perhaps I should try one right after > the other, testing my near and far vision, to see which compromise works > better.) exactly what you should do. if i was fitting you i would set up a side by side test where you wear one set of lenses (Focus N&D mono vs. PV multif) one day and the other the next. ultimately YOU need to find out which configuration works best for YOU in your life situations. then the doctor can confirm good fit on whatever lens pair you like.
you are also correct in stating that you need to accept compromises. accepting a compromise in depth perception, distance acuity, or near acuity, is the only way you will find a set of lenses that will work for you.
> I am curious to know, for others who have worn or prescribed this B&L > multifocal design (I understand that the Purevision multifocal design is the > same as the Soflens multifocal design, just different materials), have you > found that often the multifocal design in and of itself, even with high add, > is not enough in itself to provide reading-without-glasses ability, and that > usually some degree of monovision has to be involved to get that outcome? it varies quite a bit. most often i find that the high bifocal design of B&L multifocals (whether SL or PV plastics are employed) gives good near vision but distorted distance vision. in my practice i would say the complaint i hear most often is not "my near isn't good enough" but instead complaints about "my distance vision is blurring and seems distorted somehow". thats the way the hi add lenses appear to me when i wear them also but like i say, its a very individual judgment.
> Could it be that the "high add" of this design is really not high enough for > people in their 50s or older, that it should be re-named "medium add", and > that they should add one with a higher add than the current "high"? i think the add really is pretty high
> Do some other soft multifocals provide greater add than B&Ls "high"? > (Unfortunately though, no other multifocals yet in silicon hydrogel > material. Anyone know if there are others on the way? N&D multifocals? Oasys > multifocals?) i would assume so, but how soon i don't know.
Jane - 29 Jul 2006 15:32 GMT > > (Unfortunately though, no other multifocals yet in silicon hydrogel > > material. Anyone know if there are others on the way? N&D multifocals? Oasys > > multifocals?) > > i would assume so, but how soon i don't know. Yes, there is another soft bifocal lens made of silicone hydrogel (and approved by the FDA) currently available--the Triton soft bifocal lens from Gelflex. It uses a translating design (as opposed to the "simultaneous vision" design used by other soft multifocals), so the problem of compromise between distance and near vision should be eliminated. Per the manufacturer, intermediate vision is provided by undercorrecting near vision in the nondominate eye by .50D. The lenses also correct astigmatism.
I found the "fitting" lenses from Triton very comfortable. Unfortunately, I'm fast developing a cataract in one eye following retinal surgery, so I'm waiting till after cataract surgery to order the lenses in my prescription. (These lenses aren't disposables.) Meanwhile, I'd love to hear input from users of the lens.
LarryDoc - 29 Jul 2006 17:46 GMT > Yes, there is another soft bifocal lens made of silicone hydrogel (and > approved by the FDA) currently available--the Triton soft bifocal lens > from Gelflex. That is incorrect. The lens is not available in si-hydro material.
LB, O.D.
MS - 07 Aug 2006 21:26 GMT Just to follow-up:
After the last prescription I mentioned, PV MF -5.25R -5.5L, both high ADD, I tried with left down to 5.0. Yesterday I went back to my monovision N&D prescription (-5.25 right, -4.5 left), to compare it. I think I see better with them than with the pv mfs, not sure though. (It might be that I'm just more used to it.) Both solutions, of course, are a compromise between far and near, both far from optimal. (The real myopia prescription for my left eye is over -6, all mentioned prescriptions involve monovision to some extent.). I think the N&Ds are more comfortable too, for long term EW use.
Keep us informed on the Menifocal Z lenses, Larry, how they work out over more time. I might consider them. I wore hard and RGP lenses most of my adult life, for about 30 years. I have some degree of astigmatism, which RGPs are better for. I've now become accustomed to the increased comfort of the soft lenses (last couple years) though, and convenience of EW, so don't know if I would want to go back to RGPs. I'm wondering though, whether the Menicon Z material, having such a high dK, and also rated for 30 day EW use, might be as comfortable as soft lenses?
I might ask my OD also about Purevision Torics. As said, I have some degree of astigmatism. Not sure how much, but I guess not too much, since I've been able to get by with the N&Ds, with no astigmatism correction. I have never worn torics before. I guess it's worth asking though, since torics are now available in si-hy, whether PV torics (monovision) might improve my vision.
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