Overnight extend wear lens countinues to spur debate and controversity.
The biggest reason is because its as quick and easy to pop out your
contacts before going to bed as its to tie your shoes. I have several
friends who wear contacts, most dont sleep in them unless they come
home too drunk to remove the lens that night. They also see no point
when it takes half a minute to pop them out and near a minute to insert
them in. Cleaning them is quick and easy thanks to no-rub solvents. It
is irrevelent how much safer silicone hydrogels are, they are not 100%
safe for sleeping in. There is NO point sleeping in contacts(except
orthoK) and whats even worse than sleeping in contacts is leaving them
on your eyes for 2, 3 even 4 weeks strait. All the dirt and bacteria
can accumulate when you dont clean your contacts for so long! My own
optometrist knows this and he also warns patients against extend wear
contacts reguardless of brand. Some people are stubborn and dumb and
dont listen to their *doctor* then they pay the price with ruined eyes.
Before SHCL's many people were ruining their eyes with improper wear of
hydrogel contacts. They developed infections and uclers and I read the
story of one woman who was going to need a cornea transplant in one eye
and her doctor told her she might go legally blind in that eye. All
because she didnt have the sense or patient to take HALF A MINUTE to
remove her contacts before bed!
>Overnight extend wear lens countinues to spur debate and
>controversity. The biggest reason is because its as quick and easy to
>pop out your contacts before going to bed as its to tie your shoes.
I agree, but a portion of the population is lazy and apathetic. EWSCL
abusers have the same mindset IMHO as people who continue to smoke,
not floss their teeth, abuse alcohol, and make other poor healthcare
decisions. To not address that issue as a doctor and not attempt to
come up with a solution is a disservice.
>I have several friends who wear contacts, most dont sleep in them
>unless they come home too drunk to remove the lens that night.
Great. They abuse alcohol but are saints when it comes to contact
lens care. Nice.
>They also see no point when it takes half a minute to pop them out and
>near a minute to insert them in.
I have a subset of my population of my patients who think that small
amount of time, or waking up and not seeing immediately clear is a big
issue.
>Cleaning them is quick and easy thanks to no-rub solvents.
No rub solution have minimal cleaning power. They merely kill
sufficient bugs without the rubbing action to get the FDA "OK" to be
"no rub".
No real difference than putting a dirty T-Shirt in a bucket of bleach
water. It will kill the bugs, but not get the shirt clean.
The rubbing is akin to putting that shirt in a washing machine. It is
the agitation action that gets the contact lenses "clean".
>It is irrevelent how much safer silicone hydrogels are, they are not
>100% safe for sleeping in.
No contact lens wear is 100% safe; it's all relative. I think the
risk-to-reward ratio is very acceptable with SHCLs when they are worn
primarily on a DW basis. I have no real problem with most patients
who EW them say 1X/week. It's when the frequency continues to
increase when the risk goes up. In fact, I think if most EW SHCL
patients would take their lenses out once a day for 15 seconds, rinse
it with multipurpose solution, put a couple drops of artificial tears
in and then reinsert the lenses (would take maybe a minute) then EW
with SHCLs is relatively safe.
>There is NO point sleeping in contacts(except orthoK) and whats even
>worse than sleeping in contacts is leaving them on your eyes for 2, 3
>even 4 weeks strait.
There's a point, but I agree this is laziness plain and simple. And
people "tickling the dragon" by going longer and longer between CL
removal is A big contributor to CL related problems.
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Dr. Leukoma - 22 Jul 2006 06:20 GMT
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> >There is NO point sleeping in contacts(except orthoK) and whats even
> >worse than sleeping in contacts is leaving them on your eyes for 2, 3
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> people "tickling the dragon" by going longer and longer between CL
> removal is A big contributor to CL related problems.
Is there really any point in debating the issue of overnight wear?
People who sleep in lenses aren't "lazy," any more than people who get
LASIK are irresponsible. We know what the risks are, and they are
reasonably low. In more than 20 years of practice, I have documented
one patient who suffered a loss of one line of acuity from sleeping in
a contact lens, and it was an RGP lens at that.
Silicone hydrogels are only the beginning.
DrG
Anon E. Muss - 23 Jul 2006 06:39 GMT
>> >There is NO point sleeping in contacts(except orthoK) and whats even
>> >worse than sleeping in contacts is leaving them on your eyes for 2, 3
>> >even 4 weeks strait.
>
>Is there really any point in debating the issue of overnight wear?
>People who sleep in lenses aren't "lazy'"
I guess we will just agree to disagree. I think people who sleep in
their lenses for 30 days straight are lazy.
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 22 Jul 2006 08:38 GMT
> I agree, but a portion of the population is lazy and apathetic. EWSCL
> abusers have the same mindset IMHO as people who continue to smoke,
> not floss their teeth, abuse alcohol, and make other poor healthcare
> decisions. To not address that issue as a doctor and not attempt to
> come up with a solution is a disservice.
I am guilty of some bad habits, almost everyone is. I can see why there
is a market for EW lenses, its probably to serve those who have been
sleeping in the older hydrogel lenses which are much worse. However one
thing I dont like is the way they market those EW lenses as "safe" then
people who would never think about sleeping in contacts may be under
the false impression that its perfectly safe with the new EW lenses. I
understand the issue needs to be addressed, but what should be done is
perhaps provide a disclaimer for EW lenses so the patient is informed
or verbally warn about the risks. I am glad my optometrist did or I
could be sleeping in contacts and wearing them for several weeks strait
without even knowing how risky that is.
> Great. They abuse alcohol but are saints when it comes to contact
> lens care. Nice.
The less bad habits, the better. Maybe they get lots of enjoyment from
alcohol but it makes no difference to them if they save a few seconds
it takes to pop out their lenses if they arent too tired or intoxicated
to do so.
> I have a subset of my population of my patients who think that small
> amount of time, or waking up and not seeing immediately clear is a big
> issue.
There is always glasses they can reach for. If they have a low(er)
prescription, its not such an emergency. I am in the -4 range and even
I can do perfectly fine without correction after waking to brush my
teeth and eat. What can be done is warn them of the risks of sleeping
in contacts and if they insist on sleeping in them, then the least they
can do is take them out for cleaning everyday.
> No rub solution have minimal cleaning power. They merely kill
> sufficient bugs without the rubbing action to get the FDA "OK" to be
> "no rub".
should people be rubbing their contacts? Should they be using a
different solvent?
> No contact lens wear is 100% safe; it's all relative. I think the
> risk-to-reward ratio is very acceptable with SHCLs when they are worn
> primarily on a DW basis.
That much ill agree. However wearing contacts for a month strait
without taking them out increases the risk 20x fold then its not so
safe at all, in fact there is controversity which is riskier, EW
contacts or lasik, especially when we look into the long term damage
each does to one's eyes. There is no excuse to get either, just take
proper care of your contacts and eyes. Many people who get lasik in
fact have worn and abused contacts for many years and damaged their
eyes and/or their eyes have rejected contacts. They could not get used
to glasses having worn only contacts for many years and also it may be
a vanity thing. It appears that 75% of those getting lasik are contact
wearers, nearly all of them with problems with contacts.
> I have no real problem with most patients
> who EW them say 1X/week. It's when the frequency continues to
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> in and then reinsert the lenses (would take maybe a minute) then EW
> with SHCLs is relatively safe.
The less nights they sleep in them, the more often they remove and
clean them, the safer.
> There's a point, but I agree this is laziness plain and simple. And
> people "tickling the dragon" by going longer and longer between CL
> removal is A big contributor to CL related problems.
The difference with orthoK is you can remove it when you wake up,
giving your eyes the chance to breath and you get to see clearly for
many hours too. OrthoK is great for athlates, pilots, cops, swimmers
where regular contacts would not be very approperate. Much less risky
than lasik and less risky than EW contacts in fact. OrthoK can be worn
8 hours at night every other day. Thats 8 hour orthoK wear out of 48
hours vs. nonstop wear with EW contacts for a week or more. If someone
wants good vision, there is natural vision improvement and orthoK, both
which are far better. Lasik is a last resort choice when none of the
other options work AND when you have very good reasons why you refuse
to stick with glasses.
I dont really have much reason not to stick with glasses. I admit itll
be nice to reduce dependancy on glasses, but nothing riskier than
orthoK is worth taking. Most people regret lasik if it backfires on
them, others just go into denial.
>Overnight extend wear lens countinues to spur debate and controversity.
>The biggest reason is because its as quick and easy to pop out your
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>because she didnt have the sense or patient to take HALF A MINUTE to
>remove her contacts before bed!
I have been wearing Ciba Vision Night & Day since they first came out
and there is no way I would go back to taking lenses out every day.
If you are long sighted like I am it takes ages trying to get them back
in even using a strong magnifying mirror.I have very dry eyes and these
are the only contact lenses I am happy with. The only time I take
them out is when they have to be changed after a month.I personally
think the little you have to handle your lenses the better.
Mary
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acemanvx@yahoo.com - 22 Jul 2006 08:43 GMT
> I have been wearing Ciba Vision Night & Day since they first came out
> and there is no way I would go back to taking lenses out every day.
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>
> --
You are going to ruin your eyes soon. There are tricks to taking them
out. What you could do is take one contact out, clean it then insert it
then take out the other one to clean then insert it. You really
shouldnt be going a month strait without cleaning them! You will have
problems in a matter of time and may have to go back to glasses.
Dr. Leukoma - 22 Jul 2006 13:54 GMT
> I have been wearing Ciba Vision Night & Day since they first came out
> and there is no way I would go back to taking lenses out every day.
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> them out is when they have to be changed after a month.I personally
> think the little you have to handle your lenses the better.
Actually, there are a couple of studies recently published that
underscore this experience. One studied the adherence of bacteria to
the surfaces of lotrafilcon A and balafilcon A lenses at 2 and 4 weeks
of wear. The researchers found that the lotrafilcon A surface was
initially rougher and less wettable than the balafilcon A surface, but
that these differences became insignificant after 4 weeks. But,
lotrafilcon showed decreased adherence of all bacterial strains at 4
weeks compared to 2. The balafilcon A showed declining adherence of
pseudomonas a., but an increasing adherence of staph. aureus 835.
The second bit of evidence is found within the study quoted by our
resident amateur scientist, "Ace." The rate of presumed microbial
keratitis was lower for users reporting typical wear of 3 or more weeks
than for those wearing the lens for less than a 3-week continuous
period (P = 0.02).
DrG