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Wow poor kid and his thick myodisc glasses!

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acemanvx@yahoo.com - 21 Jul 2006 06:19 GMT
http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/images/BB/10010.jpg

He must have started wearing glasses from birth, inducing a very high
negetive refractive state! He could have real problems as a teen with
such high myopia. Scary!
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 21 Jul 2006 06:22 GMT
http://airto.bmap.ucla.edu/BMCweb/BMC_BIOS/MarkCohen/David/DCPhotos/ThickGlasses.jpg

OMG! NO, NO, NOOOOOOOO! Hes doing everything wrong! Lots of near work
with extremely high minus myodisc glasses! Hes gonna make himself
blind! :( :( *shudder*
otisbrown@pa.net - 21 Jul 2006 13:23 GMT
Dear AceMan,

That is what is going to happen to that 20/50 kid -- who was
put into a -10 diopters -- for no good reason.

I truly pity these poor kids -- and the consequence of that
over-prescribed minus lens.

Just one man's opinion.

Otis

> http://airto.bmap.ucla.edu/BMCweb/BMC_BIOS/MarkCohen/David/DCPhotos/ThickGlasses.jpg
>
> OMG! NO, NO, NOOOOOOOO! Hes doing everything wrong! Lots of near work
> with extremely high minus myodisc glasses! Hes gonna make himself
> blind! :( :( *shudder*
Dr Judy - 21 Jul 2006 20:31 GMT
> http://airto.bmap.ucla.edu/BMCweb/BMC_BIOS/MarkCohen/David/DCPhotos/ThickGlasses.jpg
>
> OMG! NO, NO, NOOOOOOOO! Hes doing everything wrong! Lots of near work
> with extremely high minus myodisc glasses! Hes gonna make himself
> blind! :( :( *shudder*

Take a closer look.  This child is wearing telescopic lenses, likely he
has a congenital vision problem resulting in poor best corrected
vision.  These glasse allow him to read normal sized print instead of
using braille.

Dr Judy
otisbrown@pa.net - 23 Jul 2006 19:03 GMT
Dear AceMan,

Just remember this:

When you see your own child, with his nose 4 inches off the page -- you
are going to have to do eveything in your power to STOP that
very bad HABIT.

This becomes and EDUCATED parent's responsibility.

If your kid's refractive STATE is zero at age five, you can
almost guarantee that the child's refractive STATE will
go down by about -1 diopter in two years.

It is essential that you be aware of this fact (as the second-opinion)
and be prepared to help your child in the use of the plus for
prevention.

If you take anything "away" from these discussions -- then that
should become a large part of the "solution".

So if a second-opinion OD says to you, "AceMan", I checked
your child's refractive state.  He has 20/20, but a +1/4 diopter
lens "blurs" to 20/30."

>From the primate studies, and the Oakley-Young study, it
is clear that the un-protected eye will go down by
about -1 diopter in two years.

If you agree, then we can START your child in the
preventive plus at this time.  My professional
charges will reflect in the time I spend with you.

But the true "control" must rest with you and your
child.

Let me know what your choice is to be.

I hope these discussions prepare you for that day -- and choice.

Best,

Otis

> http://airto.bmap.ucla.edu/BMCweb/BMC_BIOS/MarkCohen/David/DCPhotos/ThickGlasses.jpg
>
> OMG! NO, NO, NOOOOOOOO! Hes doing everything wrong! Lots of near work
> with extremely high minus myodisc glasses! Hes gonna make himself
> blind! :( :( *shudder*
Ann - 23 Jul 2006 20:59 GMT
>Dear AceMan,
>
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>are going to have to do eveything in your power to STOP that
>very bad HABIT.

Ace is unable to get a job.. do you really think he's going to have a
family?  I certainly hope not.

Ann

>This becomes and EDUCATED parent's responsibility.
>
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>> with extremely high minus myodisc glasses! Hes gonna make himself
>> blind! :( :( *shudder*
Dr Judy - 21 Jul 2006 20:29 GMT
> http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/images/BB/10010.jpg
>
> He must have started wearing glasses from birth, inducing a very high
> negetive refractive state! He could have real problems as a teen with
> such high myopia. Scary!

Or maybe he was born with a syndrome that includes congenital, not
induces, high myopia and his parents are very happy that their child is
able to have near normal vision with the glasses.

Dr Judy
doctor_my_eye@msn.com - 21 Jul 2006 21:19 GMT
Or, you might consider the biconvex "gag" glasses sold at Spencer
Gifts, that look like that photo but have a net refractive power of
Plano.
> > http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/images/BB/10010.jpg
> >
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>
> Dr Judy
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 22 Jul 2006 02:19 GMT
> > http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/images/BB/10010.jpg
> >
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>
> Dr Judy

That is a possibily, albet very rare. Such people are born with
unusually thick crystaline lenses, steep corneas and/or egg shaped
eyes. What needs to be done is slow down the progression of myopia or
pathalogies may occur in the retina and other parts.

"Take a closer look.  This child is wearing telescopic lenses, likely
he
has a congenital vision problem resulting in poor best corrected
vision.  These glasse allow him to read normal sized print instead of
using braille."

How does one differnate between very high minus myodiscs/lenticular and
telescopic? If the glasses intent was to magnify, youd have to read
very close and only see one word at a time.

"Dear AceMan,

That is what is going to happen to that 20/50 kid -- who was
put into a -10 diopters -- for no good reason.

I truly pity these poor kids -- and the consequence of that
over-prescribed minus lens.

Just one man's opinion."

I extend my condolences too. Theres nothing sadder than seeing a poor
kid in strong glasses with his head buried in a book. If anyone can see
well enough to read without minus glasses, take them off! Those with so
much myopia that its too inconvinent can either wear weaker glasses for
near work or bifocals to controll myopia.
Dr Judy - 23 Jul 2006 18:12 GMT
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> "Take a closer look.  This child is wearing telescopic lenses, likely
> he
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> telescopic? If the glasses intent was to magnify, youd have to read
> very close and only see one word at a time.

You can see the telescopes mounted in the centre of the lens in the
second photo you posted.

For a discusssion see:

http://www.biopticdriving.org/repository/epeli/SPIE02.pdf#search='Low%20Vision%2
0Spectacle%20Mounted%20Telescopes
'

Dr Judy
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 24 Jul 2006 08:29 GMT
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>
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>
> Dr Judy

I cant tell if its myodisc/lenticular or a low power small embedded
telescope. They look alike to the causal observer.
Quick - 21 Jul 2006 20:51 GMT
> http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/images/BB/10010.jpg
>
> He must have started wearing glasses from birth, inducing
> a very high negetive refractive state! He could have real
> problems as a teen with such high myopia. Scary!

Or he could end up doing halucinogenics, living in his room,
looking for attention on the internet. Even SCARIER!

-Quick
otisbrown@pa.net - 24 Jul 2006 17:48 GMT
Or he could be a 3 year-old child with 20/50 vision (which is
functional)
who was put into a -10 diopter lens -- and told to wear it all the
time.

Best,

Otis

> > http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/images/BB/10010.jpg
> >
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>
> -Quick
Quick - 24 Jul 2006 20:01 GMT
> Or he could be a 3 year-old child with 20/50 vision
> (which is functional)

For what? You might avoid walking through a wall
but probably fall down stairs a lot?

-Quick
otisbrown@pa.net - 24 Jul 2006 20:21 GMT
Yes, that child (at 20/40 and 20/50) truly needed to be
wearing a -10 diopter lens all the time.  Yes,
you are indeed "Quick".

> > Or he could be a 3 year-old child with 20/50 vision
> > (which is functional)
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>
> -Quick
Quick - 24 Jul 2006 22:28 GMT
Ummm, lets see... first time you commented you
speculated that the kid IN the picture could have
been "at 2/50" wearing a -10.  Now I see you have
magically transmuted that into a statement of fact.
Amazing. Did you get some secret inside information
about this particular case?

Or is it just magic. Kind of like the work you published
on HUMAN eyes that you refuse to repeat or point to?

hmmm, "transmutant". I like the sound of that.
Otis, Transmutant Ingenue.

-Quick

> Yes, that child (at 20/40 and 20/50) truly needed to be
> wearing a -10 diopter lens all the time.  Yes,
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>>
>> -Quick
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 25 Jul 2006 05:31 GMT
> Or he could be a 3 year-old child with 20/50 vision (which is
> functional)
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>
> Otis

putting someone at 20/50 in a -10 lens is malpractice and frankly with
this much overcorrection, everything will be *very* blurry. I remember
as a little boy I tried my moms glasses for a few seconds just to see
what it was like and her -7 glasses made everything very, very blurry.
Only a 2 or 3 year old can accomodate -10 glasses with 20/50 vision
then go "down" at -3 diopters a year so in a few short years the -10
glasses will be right and without glasses, their eyes have a -10
refractive state! But fortunately most children dont get overprescribed
and those that do, its by only a little. Still, any minus is bad.
Mike Tyner - 27 Jul 2006 00:19 GMT
> putting someone at 20/50 in a -10 lens is malpractice and frankly with
> this much overcorrection, everything will be *very* blurry.

Who does that?

> and those that do, its by only a little. Still, any minus is bad.

So are shoes. They make your feet bigger.

-MT
 
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