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Once again, my childhood optometrist is proven correct

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Wooly - 10 Jul 2006 04:28 GMT
The man told me nearly 40 years ago that if I'd wear my spectacles
every day my eyes wouldn't get any worse and might even get better.
My spherical corrections are holding steady (three years, no change),
my astigmatism is a bit better (two years successive improvement).
IOP in each eye was 12, no retina abnormalities of any sort.  

My opthalmologist last week did offer me an "extra" on my left Rx to
correct a red-green viewing problem I didn't know I had until he told
me.  I declined :D  Now of course I'm wondering if colorblindness can
creep up on a body and what mechanism might cause it.

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acemanvx@yahoo.com - 10 Jul 2006 05:34 GMT
> The man told me nearly 40 years ago that if I'd wear my spectacles
> every day my eyes wouldn't get any worse and might even get better.
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> This practice has cut my spam by more than 95%.
> Of course, I did have to abandon a perfectly good email account...

Your eyes did get worse and worse till they stabalized at the age of 18
to 22 usually. The wretched minus lens started ruining my eyes when I
was 12 and by the time I was 18, it had slowed down and soon
stabalized. Result? I am in the -4 range now and see poorly without
glasses.
Wooly - 10 Jul 2006 14:32 GMT
How did you get past my killfilter?

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Mike Tyner - 10 Jul 2006 15:31 GMT
> to 22 usually. The wretched minus lens started ruining my eyes when I
> was 12 and by the time I was 18, it had slowed down and soon
> stabalized. Result? I am in the -4 range now and see poorly without
> glasses.

So, in your world, nobody gets nearsighted until they wear glasses.

-MT
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 10 Jul 2006 18:35 GMT
> > to 22 usually. The wretched minus lens started ruining my eyes when I
> > was 12 and by the time I was 18, it had slowed down and soon
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>
> -MT

I did get to -1 because of reading and computer. Glasses caused
staircase myopia.
Mike Tyner - 10 Jul 2006 20:25 GMT
<acemanvx@yahoo.com>

> Glasses caused staircase myopia.

Who told you that?

If you actually compare the rates of myopia in children wearing glasses
versus those who don't, you find it isn't so.

If Otis is your source on this question, nobody will respect your opinion.

If that matters.

-MT
otisbrown@pa.net - 11 Jul 2006 04:36 GMT
<acema...@yahoo.com>

> Glasses caused staircase myopia.

Mike>  Who told you that?

Otis> All AceMan has to do is to read the Oakley-Young study
to make that determination.

Mike> If you actually compare the rates of myopia in children wearing
glasses
versus those who don't, you find it isn't so.

Otis> Ace, this is simply majority-OPINION.  The second-opinion agrees
with the Oakley-Young study.  Further, prevention minded ODs agree
with you, Ace.  See:

www.chinamyopia.org

for confirmation of the SECOND OPINION.

Mike> If Otis is your source on this question, nobody will respect your
opinion.

Otis> Correction, no MAJORITY-OPINION OD will "respect you" -- that is
obvious.
But the second-opinion ODs will agree with you.

Mike>  If that matters.

Otis> It is obvious that true-prevention NEVER MATTERS to a
majority-opinion OD.
Take that as an objective fact.  The real issue of PREVENTION will
develop when
your own children begin playing "frogger" at 4 inches (-10 diopters),
and SLOWLY develop a negative refractive STATE.

Otis> The issue is whether you wish to help them avoid ENTRY into a
negative refractive STATE.  The more you learn about this
anti-preventive "attitude" the better you will be at helping your own
children avoid entry into that "first step" of stair-case myopia.

Just one man's opinion.

Best,

Otis

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> > > to 22 usually. The wretched minus lens started ruining my eyes when I
> > > was 12 and by the time I was 18, it had slowed down and soon
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I did get to -1 because of reading and computer. Glasses caused
> staircase myopia.
Mike Tyner - 11 Jul 2006 06:05 GMT
> Otis> All AceMan has to do is to read the Oakley-Young study
> to make that determination.

And if he ignores everything published since then, what's that an example
of?

> Otis> The issue is whether you wish to help them avoid ENTRY into a
> negative refractive STATE.

Well, we tried the plus lenses while you weren't looking. They didn't work.
What is it that you gain from believing you can influence the course of
myopia with lenses?

I'm still curious about the projector idea. It has the benefit of being
"protoscience" and not yet "pseudoscience." Would you know the difference?

But the existing literature (real science) agrees with you about close
working distances, and the projector probably changes the work environment
significantly, glasses or no.

> The more you learn about this
> anti-preventive "attitude" the better you will be at helping your own
> children avoid entry into that "first step" of stair-case myopia.

See we don't disagree about everything. It's just your evidence for
"staircase myopia" and "prevention at the threshold" that are MIA.

> Just one man's opinion.

And cheap at twice the price.

-MT
Anon E. Moose - 10 Jul 2006 06:37 GMT
>My opthalmologist last week did offer me an "extra" on my left Rx to
>correct a red-green viewing problem I didn't know I had until he told
>me.

I think you may mean a "red-green" balance test -- red being your
prescription may have less MINUS than optimal and green being your
prescription may have more MINUS than optimal.

>Now of course I'm wondering if colorblindness can creep up on a body
>and what mechanism might cause it.

Non-congenital (i.e., acquired) color blindness is a sign of some
pathological process -- typically caused things such as by CN II or
cone photoreceptor damage.
 
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