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edgardo j barbosa - 09 Jul 2006 03:48 GMT
Is it true that flat monitors are safer for the eyes than regular CRT
monitors? I do not notice any difference and I have used both.

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Edgardo Barbosa
Ann - 09 Jul 2006 10:09 GMT
>Is it true that flat monitors are safer for the eyes than regular CRT
>monitors? I do not notice any difference and I have used both.

In what way safer?  

I'm going to get a glass fronted TFT monitor at work.  Can't wait to
see what it's like.

Ann
Nicolaas Hawkins - 09 Jul 2006 11:27 GMT
>>Is it true that flat monitors are safer for the eyes than regular CRT
>>monitors? I do not notice any difference and I have used both.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I'm going to get a glass fronted TFT monitor at work.  Can't wait to
> see what it's like.

Fragile?

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Ann - 09 Jul 2006 23:30 GMT
>>>Is it true that flat monitors are safer for the eyes than regular CRT
>>>monitors? I do not notice any difference and I have used both.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Fragile?

I don't see why it would be any more fragile than a CRT.  Just less of
a footprint.

Ann
Nicolaas Hawkins - 10 Jul 2006 01:35 GMT
>>>>Is it true that flat monitors are safer for the eyes than regular CRT
>>>>monitors? I do not notice any difference and I have used both.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Ann

The front of a CRT is a good 20mm or more thick.  How thick is the glass
front of a TFT monitor?

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William Stacy - 10 Jul 2006 02:01 GMT
> The front of a CRT is a good 20mm or more thick.  How thick is the glass
> front of a TFT monitor?

Man, you have some kind of bullet proof CRT?
Mike Tyner - 10 Jul 2006 02:36 GMT
>> The front of a CRT is a good 20mm or more thick.  How thick is the glass
>> front of a TFT monitor?

> Man, you have some kind of bullet proof CRT?

There's a tempered glass "lens" outside the tube, on most TVs and monitors.
I think he's seeing the gap between the lens and the phosphor face.

Once I tipped over a 36-inch Sony TV - it fell about 18 inches, face first
onto a hardwood floor. Damn thing didn't break, didn't show any damage
except some color distortion that wiped away with a degausser.

-MT
Nicolaas Hawkins - 10 Jul 2006 02:41 GMT
>> The front of a CRT is a good 20mm or more thick.  How thick is the glass
>> front of a TFT monitor?
>
> Man, you have some kind of bullet proof CRT?

No, not at all, William.  The face of a cathode ray tube is the heaviest
and thickest part of its glass envelope.  The CRT operates at high vacuum
and there can be in excess of 30,000 volts floating around inside -
resulting in the generation of x-rays.  Hence, the front of a CRT is very
thick lead glass both for strength (think what would happen if its
integrity were breached - ever heard of an implosion?  NOT pretty, except
maybe pretty lethal) and for the protection (from radiation) of the
viewer.  That is why they are so bloody heavy.

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Quick - 10 Jul 2006 05:34 GMT
>>> The front of a CRT is a good 20mm or more thick.  How
>>> thick is the glass front of a TFT monitor?
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> and for the protection (from radiation) of the viewer.
> That is why they are so bloody heavy.

Not usually lethal... When I was a kid we used to bust old
TV tubes to hear them pop and implode.

-Quick
Nicolaas Hawkins - 10 Jul 2006 07:01 GMT
>>>> The front of a CRT is a good 20mm or more thick.  How
>>>> thick is the glass front of a TFT monitor?
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> -Quick

I'd bet you broke them at the weakest point 0 the junction of the neck and
the flare.  That's comparitively tame.  Try putting a hammer (you'll need
a BIG one - like 4lb!) through the front face and see what happens.  On
second thoughts - don't!  They aren't made thick, heavy and tough without
good reason, Quick.

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The Real Bev - 10 Jul 2006 06:15 GMT
>> The front of a CRT is a good 20mm or more thick.  How thick is the glass
>> front of a TFT monitor?
>
> Man, you have some kind of bullet proof CRT?

No, not really.  That's not an uncommon thickness.

When my husband was a kid he tried to bash the front of a TV picture
tube in with a shovel.  He ultimately stood back and threw a rock at the
neck, with entertaining and frightening results.  As adults we tipped a
picture tube into a BIG dumpster.  A most satisfactory WHOOOOOMP! and a
shower of crap shooting up into the air.  Hey kids, don't try this at
home...

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Ann - 10 Jul 2006 06:20 GMT
>>>>>Is it true that flat monitors are safer for the eyes than regular CRT
>>>>>monitors? I do not notice any difference and I have used both.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>The front of a CRT is a good 20mm or more thick.  How thick is the glass
>front of a TFT monitor?

I don't know but this one
http://www.lowestonweb.com/Products/DisplayInfoMain.asp?e=B1E49780-9E14-4699-9FC
1-069D189C548F

is advertised as being ideal for the education, corporate and high use
marketplace.  Gotta love those phrases!  

Just wish they'd buy the bloody thing.  Of course they have to source
their own which will cost twice as much as that one and take several
times as long to be delivered.

Ann
Charles - 09 Jul 2006 13:28 GMT
> > Is it true that flat monitors are safer for the eyes than regular
> > CRT monitors? I do not notice any difference and I have used both.
>
> In what way safer?  

Ever tried to pick up a 21" CRT?  You can hurt yourself.

Seriously though, it seems that the lack of scan/flicker on a LCD might
be beneficial in terms of eye strain.  Plus, I've read that the lack of
sharply defned edges on computer screen characters messes with the
accomodation system a little.  And this would be less of an effect with
LCD too.
Quick - 09 Jul 2006 19:27 GMT
>>> Is it true that flat monitors are safer for the eyes
>>> than regular CRT monitors? I do not notice any
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> system a little.  And this would be less of an effect
> with LCD too.

The OP may be referring to either CRT or LCD monitors.
New CRTs are usually flat screened instead of a curved
front surface. People also seem to refer to LCD monitors
as flat screens (they are) as well.

Scan/flicker is not discernable above about a 75hz scan rate.
The way to tell if you can see it is to look away from the screen,
keeping it in your peripheral vision and see if you can notice
the flicker.  CRTs scan constantly with the beam exciting the
phosphors(sp?). LCDs only flip the crystals when the data
changes.

For fast motion, like in heavy duty gaming, CRTs (high end)
are still superior. It takes a bit longer to flip the LCD crystals
and can result in a perceptable "trail" effect.

Sharpness of character edges is a function of the resolution
and distance between pixels. A high res CRT will give sharper
character edges than a lower res LCD (same size screen and
characters).

-Quick
The Real Bev - 09 Jul 2006 20:21 GMT
>> <ebarbosa2@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Ever tried to pick up a 21" CRT?  You can hurt yourself.

Wuss!  Just gotta use your legs instead of your back.  Or so I would
guess.  Heaviest I've carried is 19".

> Seriously though, it seems that the lack of scan/flicker on a LCD might
> be beneficial in terms of eye strain.  Plus, I've read that the lack of
> sharply defned edges on computer screen characters messes with the
> accomodation system a little.  And this would be less of an effect with
> LCD too.

I've been using CRT monitors since 1978;  since 1990 usage averages 8
hours a day (just a guess).  Current monitor is 1600x1200.  I have no
idea what eyestrain is.

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Mark A - 09 Jul 2006 21:14 GMT
> Wuss!  Just gotta use your legs instead of your back.  Or so I would
> guess.  Heaviest I've carried is 19".

A 21" monitor with a Trinitron tube weighs about twice as much as a
non-Trinitron 19".
Rev Jessie James - 11 Jul 2006 05:14 GMT
Until LCD screens reach at least 2048x1536 resolution, Ill stick with my NEC
22" pure flat CRT.      I bought mine a couple of years back prior having
lasik, thinking worse case I could run 640x480 if lasik didn't go well.

High end CRT's are still the choice of most professionals involved with high
end CAD and imaging.  Even hardcore gamers still prefer CRTs due to the
smearing effect that a LCD typically exhibits.   LCDs are  getting better
but can't equal the resolution or refresh rates provided by a CRT.

Size and weight are the only major drawback of CRT technology.

> > Wuss!  Just gotta use your legs instead of your back.  Or so I would
> > guess.  Heaviest I've carried is 19".
>
> A 21" monitor with a Trinitron tube weighs about twice as much as a
> non-Trinitron 19".
Dick Adams - 11 Jul 2006 13:01 GMT
> High end CRT's are still the choice of most professionals involved with high
> end CAD and imaging.  

Furthermore, the price is right (free if you know where to look).

(the dump, for instance)

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Rev Jessie James - 12 Jul 2006 03:25 GMT
I agree, there are some great bargins on some fantastic CRT monitors out
there.  I picked my 22" CRT "off lease" at tiger direct for about $50, after
rebate.

I went in planning to buy an 19 or 20" lcd, but after seeing the picture
quality of a high end CRT compaired side by side with the LCDs I couldn't
pass it up.

>"Dick Adams" <bad.addr@nonexist.com> wrote in message
news:nqMsg.6251$F8.1504@trnddc02...

>> High end CRT's are still the choice of most professionals involved with high
>> end CAD and imaging.
>
>Furthermore, the price is right (free if you know where to look).
 
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