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Medical Forum / General / Vision / July 2006[Straw Poll] soc.support.vision-impaired
I've posted a Straw Poll on the Web to find out how many people will use soc.support.vision-impaired if the group is created. The numerical results (no names) will be incorporated into the 2nd RFD as evidence of support for the group. Please do not say you will use the group unless you actually intend to use the group. You will find the ballot at: http://www.ckdog.co.uk/php/voting/vote.php?448dd365a8c58 Thank you for your time. Henrietta K. Thomas Proponent, soc.support.vision-impaired 'Reply-To' header removed; I want this to go to ALL the groups involved. > I've posted a Straw Poll on the Web to find out how many people will use > soc.support.vision-impaired if the group is created... It may be noted that Henrietta has NO power whatsoever over the creation of new groups and that she apparently likes to cause trouble just for the fun of it. This was our experience (realized only after the fact) during the creation of the moderated group rec.skiing.alpine.moderated, which passed by a HUGE margin. Dealing with her was a monumental waste of time and effort.  SignatureCheers, Bev xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Some people are alive only because it is illegal to kill them." -- Lionel >'Reply-To' header removed; I want this to go to ALL the groups involved. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >during the creation of the moderated group rec.skiing.alpine.moderated, >which passed by a HUGE margin. I have news for you, Bev. News.groups has changed. The old system has been dropped and a new system is rising in its place. I am a bona fide proponent for soc.support.vision-impaired. If you don't believe me, go to news.groups and look up the thread RFD: soc.support.vision-impaired. You just might have an interest in this group regardless of how you feel about me. Henrietta >>'Reply-To' header removed; I want this to go to ALL the groups involved. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I have news for you, Bev. News.groups has changed. The old system has >been dropped and a new system is rising in its place. The new system is called /Calvin Ball/ by all involved... the name is an excellent one, with constantly moving goal posts, and rules which change in the middle of the game. Much the way Henrietta runs the us.* hierarchy >I am a bona fide proponent for soc.support.vision-impaired. If you >don't believe me, go to news.groups and look up the thread RFD: >soc.support.vision-impaired. >You just might have an interest in this group regardless of how you feel >about me. Yep. SignatureAk'toh'di > Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I have news for you, Bev. News.groups has changed. The old system has > been dropped and a new system is rising in its place. Sheep entrails? Each proponent sends you a little something via paypal to ensure passage? SignatureCheers, Bev =================================================== Red ship crashes into blue ship - sailors marooned. <...> >> I have news for you, Bev. News.groups has changed. The old system has >> been dropped and a new system is rising in its place. > >Sheep entrails? Each proponent sends you a little something via paypal >to ensure passage? Much better than that, Bev. There's a whole team working on the project. They call themselves The Big 8 Management Board. For openers, see Message-ID: <enhb92ddpqaf32veisbn9rctsjrck3di61@4ax.com> TTFN Henrietta Proponent: soc.support.vision-impaired > <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > project. They call themselves The Big 8 Management Board. For openers, > see Message-ID: <enhb92ddpqaf32veisbn9rctsjrck3di61@4ax.com> That's very interesting. I was unable to find a list of Board members. Got one? The new system might be more efficient and less, um, violent, but I find the general idea of ANY centralized anonymous authority disturbing. SignatureCheers, Bev ---------------------------------------------------------- A spokesperson for 60s band 'the animals' has today made a public apology saying they were mistaken and there isn't a house in New Orleans after all. > That's very interesting. I was unable to find a list of Board members. > Got one? The very first link on the home page goes to this list: http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faqs:b8mb This is linked from the phrase "Big-8 Management Board" not only on the home page, but in other parts of the web site as well. This is a list of pages that seem to link back to the current page. * blogs:whats_new * faqs:big-8_list * faqs:glossary * faqs:index * faqs:newusers * history:big-8 * member:mxm * policies:creation * policies:rmgroup_rfd * start > The new system might be more efficient and less, um, violent, but I find > the general idea of ANY centralized anonymous authority disturbing. If you need help understanding how to navigate the wiki, please see: http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faqs:navigation Marty -- Member of the Big-8 Management Board (B8MB), such as it is. The B8MB is a work in progress. See http://www.big-8.org for more information. > > <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote in <HoXlg.33$TW3.19@fe07.lga>: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > If you need help understanding how to navigate the wiki, please see: Thanks, I found that later but I had posted before I finished hunting. Gotta watch that. SignatureCheers, Bev --------------------------------------------- "The primary purpose of any government entity is to employ the unemployable." >> Much better than that, Bev. There's a whole team working on the >> project. They call themselves The Big 8 Management Board. For openers, >> see Message-ID: <enhb92ddpqaf32veisbn9rctsjrck3di61@4ax.com> > That's very interesting. I was unable to find a list of Board members. > Got one? http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:membership There's a lot of documentation up at http://www.big-8.org/ . > The new system might be more efficient and less, um, violent, but I find > the general idea of ANY centralized anonymous authority disturbing. Oh, trust me, we're far from anonymous... - Tim Skirvin (skirv@big-8.org) Chair, Big-8 Management Board Signaturehttp://www.big-8.org/ Big-8 Management Board http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/ Skirv's Homepage <FISH>< <*> > > I've posted a Straw Poll on the Web to find out how many people will use > > soc.support.vision-impaired if the group is created... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > during the creation of the moderated group rec.skiing.alpine.moderated, > which passed by a HUGE margin. Bev: While these days I am no supporter of HKT, you chose a very bad example. > Dealing with her was a monumental waste of time and effort. Yes: rsam was a wasted effort. >>> I've posted a Straw Poll on the Web to find out how many people >>> will use soc.support.vision-impaired if the group is created... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Yes: rsam was a wasted effort. So what exactly is going on? I'm losing the will to live in this thread! Brian SignatureBrian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >So what exactly is going on? The proposal to create a new newsgroup is being discussed. Along with that, a lot of questions about how new newsgroups are created are also being discussed. Then there are various flame wars and sundry kinds of thread drift going on. >I'm losing the will to live in this thread! Here's the big question: would you use soc.support.vision-impaired if it were created? Would you post to it? Would you read it? If you are opposed to creating the group, what are the grounds of your opposition? This note, by the way, was crossposted to: news.groups, alt.comp.blind-users, alt.disability.blind.social, alt.lasik-eyes, sci.med.vision Marty > Here's the big question: would you use soc.support.vision-impaired > if it were created? unless the charter is flawed, which it didun't appear to be on my first blush read this afternoon. > Would you post to it? probably > Would you read it? deffinitely > This note, by the way, was crossposted to: > news.groups, > alt.comp.blind-users, > alt.disability.blind.social, > alt.lasik-eyes, > sci.med.vision i suspect that there are people who have never been to those ng's who would love to take part in the group. finding them before the name is searchable is problematic. i'd not have hung out in any of them, for example, because they have nothing to do with my particular diagnosis, which is a rather common one. i've met other folks with similar vision problems/diagnoses on very diverse fora such as rev.needlework.sewing [iirc] and parenting fora. it may take a while to get the word out, but i believe the need is there and the users would arrive given propagation. might start slow, but would be helpful to folk like me. oh, and please pardon the typing but i'm 1-handed these days while recovering from rotator cuff repair and i'm just not doing caps. -aula > i suspect that there are people who have never been to those ng's who would > love to take part in the group. finding them before the name is searchable > is problematic. Yes. Getting new users to Usenet is not easy. There are hurdles involved that don't apply to other kinds of forums. > ... i believe the need is there and > the users would arrive given propagation. might start slow, but would be > helpful to folk like me. As a general rule, it seems to me that a group needs a nucleus of supporters committed to it BEFORE it is created. Otherwise, there won't be much for newcomers to read if and when they happen to stumble across the new group. > oh, and please pardon the typing but i'm 1-handed these days while > recovering from rotator cuff repair and i'm just not doing caps. Thanks for the feedback. I hope you heal soon. I've put my mouse under my keyboard (the keyboard is on a plank propped up on bricks) because I was getting murderous shoulder pain from stretching to reach the mouse all day long. Marty -- Member of the Big-8 Management Board (B8MB), such as it is. The B8MB is a work in progress. See http://www.big-8.org for more information. > As a general rule, it seems to me that a group needs a nucleus of > supporters committed to it BEFORE it is created. Otherwise, there > won't be much for newcomers to read if and when they happen to stumble > across the new group. i tend to agree. since, however, this proposal is at least floated it bears addressing and attempting to garner that nucleous to see what can be done. I wonder if anyone has shouted out the diabetes forums as well as those where vision problems can accompany that which the group is designed to serve? > Thanks for the feedback. I hope you heal soon. I've put my mouse > under my > keyboard (the keyboard is on a plank propped up on bricks) because I > was getting murderous shoulder pain from stretching to reach the mouse > all day long. Thanks. Working on the healing part. I have found, btw, that an optical wireless mouse does wonders for the wrist and shoulder discomforts, as does setting up work and home computers to use opposite arms. I've been doing the latter for several years, which has helped [we don't know why i developed the rotator cuff tear, but it was not believed to be primarily due to computer use]. -Aula For all the people whining that the new forum won't be started, why don't you just start your own forum? > For all the people whining that the new forum won't be started, why > don't you just start your own forum? "@aol.com" PJR :-) Signature_ _(o)_(o)_ _ Tired of the same old posters in your ._\`:_ F S M _:' \_, newsgroup? Why not visit news.groups.reviews / (`---'\ `-. and attract new talent by posting a review? ,-` _) (_, F_P (Please read the posting guidelines.) At least this keeps the news group active, LOL. > For all the people whining that the new forum won't be started, why > don't you just start your own forum? > Thanks for the feedback. I hope you heal soon. I've put my mouse > under my keyboard (the keyboard is on a plank propped up on bricks) > because I was getting murderous shoulder pain from stretching to > reach the mouse all day long. Consider a lapdesk: a flat surface (12"x18" perhaps) with a lightweight beanbag-like understructure. My mom doesn't have room for a mouse at the side of the keyboard, and the lapdesk works fine. > -- Member of the Big-8 Management Board (B8MB), such as it is. The > B8MB is a work in progress. See http://www.big-8.org for more > information. Sounds like either pain or fun. Hope it works out well -- the creation of rec.sking.alpine.moderated was LOTS more pain than fun. SignatureCheers, Bev ============================== ================= Salesmen welcome -- dog food is expensive > Thanks for the feedback. I hope you heal soon. I've put my mouse > under my keyboard (the keyboard is on a plank propped up on bricks) > because I was getting murderous shoulder pain from stretching to > reach the mouse all day long. Consider a lapdesk: a flat surface (12"x18" perhaps) with a lightweight beanbag-like understructure. My mom doesn't have room for a mouse at the side of the keyboard, and the lapdesk works fine. > -- Member of the Big-8 Management Board (B8MB), such as it is. The > B8MB is a work in progress. See http://www.big-8.org for more > information. Sounds like either pain or fun. Hope it works out well -- the creation of rec.sking.alpine.moderated was LOTS more pain than fun. SignatureCheers, Bev =================================================== Salesmen welcome -- dog food is expensive >> So what exactly is going on? > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Marty SignatureBrian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Strange, as the biggest useage blind group is the blind-use5rs one, and I've only seen a couple of people post there. Personally, I'd like to see a support group, but that very much depends on how its charter is interpreted, and what constitutes support I suppose. Brian >>> So what exactly is going on? >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> >> Marty What I was trying to say was that I cannot see this thread over on that group. Brian SignatureBrian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > What I was trying to say was that I cannot see this thread over on that > group. It probably was not crossposted there in its earlier incarnation. If you want to review the whole thread--and many associated threads--you can Google newsgroups: http://groups.google.com/group/news.groups?hl=en Or here is a Google search of news.groups for the phrase "vision-impaired": <http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=10&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_e q=&as_ugroup=news.groups&as_usubject=vision-impaired&as_uauthors=&lr=&as_drrb=q& as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=19&as_maxm=6&as_maxy=2006&safe= off> Here is a tiny url to that same link: http://tinyurl.com/qzue9 Marty -- Member of the Big-8 Management Board (B8MB), such as it is. The B8MB is a work in progress. See http://www.big-8.org for more information. Where did this nut come from anyway? >>>> I've posted a Straw Poll on the Web to find out how many people >>>> will use soc.support.vision-impaired if the group is created... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > So what exactly is going on? Short version: rsam was created to avoid the 5-year rantings of a loon. In the loon's absence, the moderated group has languished. Since we hadn't a clue about how to start a moderated group, we stumbled around in the dark for a long time. HKS was kind enough to stick out her foot and trip us every once in a while. > I'm losing the will to live in this thread! Isn't there an alt.suicide group? If not, start one. Way simple. SignatureCheers, Bev =================================================== Red ship crashes into blue ship - sailors marooned. > Isn't there an alt.suicide group? If not, start one. Way simple. Would that be before or after? :) >> Isn't there an alt.suicide group? If not, start one. Way simple. > > Would that be before or after? :) Doesn't common knowledge indicate that people who talk about it don't do it? SignatureCheers, Bev =================================================== Red ship crashes into blue ship - sailors marooned. > >>> This was our experience (realized > >>> only after the fact) during the creation of the moderated group [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Short version: rsam was created to avoid the 5-year rantings of a loon. > In the loon's absence, the moderated group has languished. To me that sounds like the effort worked. What does it matter which group ended up flourishing? Creation of a moderated version led to the loon going away. Availability of a bomb shelter was enough that use of the bomb shelter wasn't needed. >> >>> This was our experience (realized >> >>> only after the fact) during the creation of the moderated group [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > To me that sounds like the effort worked. What does it matter which > group ended up flourishing? Yes, sort of. I would never encourage anyone to start a moderated group for such a trivial purpose, though. Even if you have one, you still have to find a willing site to serve as an injection point, which usually costs SOMEBODY money. > Creation of a moderated version led to > the loon going away. Would that it were that simple! Real loons never go away. He comes back every few months or so with the same old rants he's made since -- are you ready for this? -- 1999. > Availability of a bomb shelter was enough that > use of the bomb shelter wasn't needed. Sort of like keeping a spare fuel pump in your trunk. SignatureCheers, Bev ========================================================= "I believe that forgiving [terrorists] is God's function. Our job is to arrange the meeting." - Norman Schwartzkopf > So what exactly is going on? An admin flamewar ;-( > I'm losing the will to live in this thread! Dont there are no reason for that, Just let them have their litle batle on egos and they go away and forget about it all ;-) Look at it this way, they create trafic in this group, that justify that ISP's keep it alive ;-) Best regards Johnny Winther Ronnenberg SignatureDet er brugeren der bestemmer ;-) http://www.webtilgængelighed.dk (på dansk) = http://www.webaccessibility.dk (in english) Last: revision: http://www.webaccessibility.dk/webaccessibility/userutilities/dublincore.htm and http://www.webtilgængelighed.dk/webaccessibility/upcomingwork.asp >> > I've posted a Straw Poll on the Web to find out how many people will use >> > soc.support.vision-impaired if the group is created... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Bev: While these days I am no supporter of HKT, you > chose a very bad example. No, an excellent one. The bitch acted like she actually had some authority so we -- hopeless novices at the game -- took her seriously. It would have been a kindness for the REAL persons in authority to have indicated that she and her co-a.shole whose name I have forgotten were just there to cause trouble, but it didn't happen. >> Dealing with her was a monumental waste of time and effort. > > Yes: rsam was a wasted effort. It served its purpose. Suzieflame started the process just for a lark and to cause trouble. We would have been better to ignore him/her/it and go on our own as had been discussed previously for over a year. It's unfortunate that the experience you gain in an endeavor frequently convinces you that you never want to do THAT again even if you do know how to do it now. If the bitch is blind, it's no worse than she deserves. SignatureCheers, Bev =================================================== Red ship crashes into blue ship - sailors marooned. > If the bitch is blind, it's no worse than she deserves. > > -- > Cheers, Bev Ya know, I and a whole lot of others don't give a sh.t about your stupid pissing wars. But to say something like this about anyone is just pure evil. God forbid you should ever lose your eyesight. And thanks to a.sholes like you the group vote was negative, which is a shame because a lot of vision-impaired people need a group like this. Jerks. -L. > Ya know, I and a whole lot of others don't give a sh.t about your > stupid pissing wars. But to say something like this about anyone is > just pure evil. God forbid you should ever lose your eyesight. And > thanks to a.sholes like you the group vote was negative, which is a > shame because a lot of vision-impaired people need a group like this. could you please explain what vote you are referencing? i thought it had not gone to CFV yet? did i miss something scanning through this very active group? -aula >> Ya know, I and a whole lot of others don't give a sh.t about your >> stupid pissing wars. But to say something like this about anyone is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >-aula There was an interest poll that have very low turnout. I suspect it is a reference to that. -- Jayne Proponent for soc.men.moderated Link to the poll: http://www.ckdog.co.uk/php/voting/vote.php?449256720e9cc If you haven't read the proposal yet, then please see the 1st RFD: http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=nan:2006-06-05-men-rfd > There was an interest poll that have very low turnout. I suspect it > is a reference to that. Correct. It closed on the 16th. -L. > > There was an interest poll that have very low turnout. I suspect it > > is a reference to that. > > Correct. It closed on the 16th. and this means what? -aula >> > There was an interest poll that have very low turnout. I suspect it >> > is a reference to that. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >-aula That is a good question. I'm not sure about the answer. It isn't like a CFV where there was a known formula for interpretting it. As I understand it, the poll is one way to determine if there is sufficient interest to create the group. It is one of the pieces of information that the Board will use to make their decision about creating the group. Since a bunch of people turned up expressing interest after the poll was over, I'd expect them to weigh that in their decision too. Jayne > ... It isn't >like a CFV where there was a known formula for interpretting it. As I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >the poll was over, I'd expect them to weigh that in their decision >too. Yes. Proponents should keep track of everyone who has expressed interest in using the new group. A list of such posters with a message-ID for the positive posts would become part of the "Traffic Analysis" for the proposed group. Marty -- Member of the Big-8 Management Board (B8MB), such as it is. The B8MB is a work in progress. See http://www.big-8.org for more information. >> Ya know, I and a whole lot of others don't give a sh.t about your >> stupid pissing wars. But to say something like this about anyone is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >not gone to CFV yet? did i miss something scanning through this very >active group? The Big 8 is under new management (The Big-8 Management Board) and CFVs have been suspended until further notice. The vote "L" is referring to is a Straw Poll I took regarding soc.support.vision-impaired. The Real Bev urged people to ignore it, and "L" suspects that adversely affected the result. There is no way of knowing for sure. Hope this helps. Henrietta K. Thomas Proponent, soc.support.vision-impaired >> If the bitch is blind, it's no worse than she deserves. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > thanks to a.sholes like you the group vote was negative, which is a > shame because a lot of vision-impaired people need a group like this. Then vote for it. I will too if it will help. Nothing at all against the group, just one particular a.shole. SignatureCheers, Bev ========================================================= "I believe that forgiving [terrorists] is God's function. Our job is to arrange the meeting." - Norman Schwartzkopf > If the bitch is blind, it's no worse than she deserves. And what kind of disgusting a.shole are you to send a comment like that to several groups for / about VI's? Its god dam disgusting!!!!! 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