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Medical Forum / General / Vision / June 2006No reply?
You guys ignoring me, or is there a fundamental flaw with my posts? Are they so unanswerable? Cheers Simon > You guys ignoring me, or is there a fundamental flaw with my posts? Are > they so unanswerable? > > Cheers > Simon what was the question? Ill answer >>You guys ignoring me, or is there a fundamental flaw with my posts? Are >>they so unanswerable? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > what was the question? Ill answer Not sure of the question to be honest. More experiences. Looking for peoples thoughts. First of all, History: *** HISTORY *** Put simply, this is in relation to a problem I experienced only at work where text would "jump" out of the page at me. It would be grey and disorientating, not really blurry to be honest, but I said it was akin to being under the cycloplegic drops. I went back for another eye test at the hospital. Worth 4 Dot Tests reveals five dots again, same as last time. Apparently my left eye is higher than the right, they mention an "ET" (Exo/Eso Tropia?), and I was told I have a 4th Nerve Palsy, such that when I scan an object going to the top right field of my vision, my left eye ends up moving higher as it pans to the right. I was told however that this, and the results of Worth 4 Dot, Bagolini, Maddox, Lees etc, do not explain my symptoms, and to steer clear of PRISM glasses as Im not suffering from double vision. The doctor is instead however going to check me for things like Migraine, an MRI on the back of my head, my optic nerve, my field of vision, and he wants me to go to an endocrinologist to try and check out my little theory that I don't actually suffer from hypothyroidism, but hyperparathyroidism, as he says hyperparas can affect the optic nerve. *** QUESTION *** In terms of all this, Im just seeking some thoughts. Maybe a little explanation, perhaps this strikes a chord with somebody, or if it gives anybody any ideas into what's going on, or other questions I can ask my doctor. *** FURTHER THOUGHTS *** The doctor questionned me on my ability to switch between light and dark environments. I thought I was pretty good and stated so. However I've noticed, after say watching TV in a darkened room, if I switch the TV off, I become left eye dominant. My left eye can make out more light than my right eye, therefore more shapes and lines. ie, I can make out the shelving in my wardrobe or the lamp shade on the light. However during the day, I feel I am more right eye dominant, in that, if I close my left eye only, my picture in my vision stays put (although I do lose a slight field of vision on the left, as expected). However if I close my right eye, the image has a tendency to move, I think down and to the right. When I sit behind a pair of pinhole glasses, I find that my left eye feels extremely weak and I just want to use my right eye for seeing. When staring at one of the lights in the doctors office, I find I can see things like the filament of the bulb in my right eye, where as it's just a solid white light in my left, and yet I have 20/20 in both eyes. *** FURTHER QUESTION *** Given everything, is it still wise to steer clear of prism glasses? I am concerned about the apparent weakness in my left eye and am thinking that it might "give up" if it's no use. Under the various tests at the hospital, I do find it hard to see with "both" eyes together. I usuaully end up flipping between the left and right a few times before settling down. I was just wondering whether prism glasses might align my eye better and make me feel like I can see with both eyes rather than feeling lke one eye is giving up! Cheers Simon > >>You guys ignoring me, or is there a fundamental flaw with my posts? Are > >>they so unanswerable? [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > Cheers > Simon Ask your doctor if reading glasses may help for reading and computer work. Id also consider natural vision improvement, it can solve most problems :) > Ask your doctor if reading glasses may help for reading and computer > work. Id also consider natural vision improvement, it can solve most > problems :) I thank you for your response, but... My optician does not believe I need glasses. My the doctor has ruled out needing prism glasses, and as I could read the charts, I doubt my doctor would recommend any glasses. Since he found no problems with my eyes, I think my doctor believes my issue is more neurological in order. But I shall certainly raise these questions I have with him. Thanks simon Dear Ace, I think that Simon and declared that all vision-improvement work is off-limits for himself. Perhaps someone SHOULD give him a lens -- as a placebo. When a person desired to shoot himself in the foot -- you stand back and let him do it. Best, Otis Simon> Then she went out and bought back a W.H. Bates book. I immediately shouted "Quack, Quack" and ran away! Then she insisted on telling me that Bates was right, palming is effective, and you notice how you still see light after you close your eyes? Thats because your eyes aren't rested, and like everything your eyes need to rest. > > >>You guys ignoring me, or is there a fundamental flaw with my posts? Are > > >>they so unanswerable? > > >> > > >>Cheers > > >>Simon +++++++++ Ace> Ask your doctor if reading glasses may help for reading and computer > work. Id also consider natural vision improvement, it can solve most > problems :) > Dear Ace, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to shoot himself in the foot -- you stand back > and let him do it. Wrong. I declared that Bates is off limits. Any vision improvement work offered by my Doctor will be gladly accepted though. Though, my doctor said there was nothing wrong, and I reiterate, seems to think the issue is more neurological in nature, or even down to some medicines or an underlying medical condition, which, Im sure even you can appreciate, wouldn't be curable, by palming. >Dear Ace, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >to shoot himself in the foot -- you stand back >and let him do it. Careful, Otis. Your medication is wearing off and you're sounding an AWFUL LOT like an absolute idiot again. > >>You guys ignoring me, or is there a fundamental flaw with my posts? Are > >>they so unanswerable? You didn't seem to be asking a question, just posting your exam results. We can answer general questions about various eye disorders, but you have a number of symptoms that do not fit an obvious pattern and are under investigation by specialists. A usenet forum is not a place to get an individual diagnosis; we would need to examine you personally to offer opinions. Rely upon your doctors, listen to their advice. Dr Judy >>>>You guys ignoring me, or is there a fundamental flaw with my posts? Are >>>>they so unanswerable? > > You didn't seem to be asking a question, just posting your exam > results. Sorry. My manner is a bit informal. I don't really know the questions I need to ask. Im not a professional. I post my thoughts and observations and experiences, and hope someone can point me in the right direction. Or provide me with a bit more background. > We can answer general questions about various eye disorders, but you > have a number of symptoms that do not fit an obvious pattern and are > under investigation by specialists. A usenet forum is not a place to > get an individual diagnosis; we would need to examine you personally to > offer opinions. Rely upon your doctors, listen to their advice. I do. I just hate waiting. So any thoughts on any of experiences thus far to allow me to do some research, or indeed think of other things that I might not have noticed before to tell my doctor would be greatly appreciated. Whatever advice I get on the internet, I always treat it with a pinch of salt until verified with a doctor. Too many crackpots about. But sometimes other peoples experiences, observations, and thoughts on what I mention, sometimes can be the catalyst to mention to the doctor, to have him think about another thing... An example, my eye doctor wants to refer me to an endo to check out a possibility of hyperparathyroidism. I'd have never thought about that if it wasn't for my sister mentioning it to me after I ruptured a quadriceps tendon. If you could share your thoughts on this mismatch of symptoms, I'd be grateful. I take it by this that with a 4th Nerve Palsy, oddly aligned eyes etc, I should be experiencing something else? And this odd vision problem I reported back in October, is something else entirely??? Im not going to twist your arm though. Thanks for the reply though Dr. Judy... Cya Simon > If you could share your thoughts on this mismatch of symptoms, I'd be > grateful. I take it by this that with a 4th Nerve Palsy, oddly aligned > eyes etc, I should be experiencing something else? And this odd vision > problem I reported back in October, is something else entirely??? Im not > going to twist your arm though. Not necessarily something else, but a new 4th nerve Palsy is not a diagnosis in itself, it likley is a symptom of an underlying condition. The endo and neuro consults are looking for the undelying cause. As to prism and vision therapy, they are unlikely to help with a new 4th nerve palsy. Dr Judy >>If you could share your thoughts on this mismatch of symptoms, I'd be >>grateful. I take it by this that with a 4th Nerve Palsy, oddly aligned [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Dr Judy So far, out of everything I've said (future neurological and duture endocrinological consultations aside), is there anything that could explain that odd blurry vision, text jumping out issue I had back in October? It's still sort of there at the moment, but just lurking under the surface (so no problem at the moment). I find myself trying to look at things, and ask myself if I see them in double or not. I don't believe I do, butthe more time I spend thinking about it, the more I sense that something doesn't feel natural. It's hard to explain. It's like, I don't know, maybe, I know I can see one image, but Im aware I can see two as well! I don't believe I do see double, but Im just not sure of myself anymore! I should stop obsessing shouldn't I? But then when you get to the doctors appointment, they ask you various questions that you have to answer. One thing I was doing differently prior to October of last year, was I had the pair of glasses made up to fix the slight hyperopia and astigmatism. I know the glasses move things, but they magnify and sharpen everything up. they still do. Here was the prescription: Right +0.50 Sph, -0.75 Cyl, 135 Axis Left +0.75 Sph, -0.50 Cyl, 35 Axis But Im sure I read somewhere that starting to wear glasses, can cause decompensating of various eye alignment issues. By the sounds of what the doc said, it doesn't seem like I have diplopoa (otherwise I'd most likely be in prism or under vision therapy or something). But the doc, by the sounds of it, doesn't think it is any kind of diplopa (otherwise I'd most likely be in prisms or under vision therapy or something). Thanks Dr. Judy! Cya Simon snip > So far, out of everything I've said (future neurological and duture > endocrinological consultations aside), is there anything that could > explain that odd blurry vision, text jumping out issue I had back in > October? It's still sort of there at the moment, but just lurking under > the surface (so no problem at the moment). A 4th nerve palsy may cause "jumpy" vision is some fields of gaze and possibly blur as the system tries to compensate. Neurological problems could cause various abnormal appearances. snip > But Im sure I read somewhere that starting to wear glasses, can cause > decompensating of various eye alignment issues. Unlikely, unless you get a new strong hyperopic correction and have a large exophoria. > By the sounds of what the doc said, it doesn't seem like I have diplopoa > (otherwise I'd most likely be in prism or under vision therapy or > something). 4th nerve palsy will cause eye misalignment and some diplopia in some fields of gaze, ie looking in some directions you are aligned, looking in other directions you are not. Often you learn to turn your head instead of your eyes which eliminates the problem. Because the diplopia, if present, is not of the same amount or disappears with changing position of gaze, prism therapy is of little benefit. Dr Judy > snip > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > possibly blur as the system tries to compensate. Neurological problems > could cause various abnormal appearances. Jumpy in my case means sort of, magnified. Stationary, but just really in my face and disorientating, like looking at a hand under cycloplegic drops! >>By the sounds of what the doc said, it doesn't seem like I have diplopoa >>(otherwise I'd most likely be in prism or under vision therapy or [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > diplopia, if present, is not of the same amount or disappears with > changing position of gaze, prism therapy is of little benefit. They did mention I turned my head slightly to the right. Is it possible to have such a small diplopia that things would appear blurry and/or jumpy? Though Im thinking myself, that just doesn't seem right either! I must say, this is beginning to sound a bit scary. The prospect of this eye alignment issue, where prisms wouldn't do any good. To me, it would seem either that a) It will come and go in the future, and/or b) Im doing a pretty good job of unconciously correcting the phenomena. I know Im jumping the gun, but Im a little concerned about the future, about, what will happen if this thing comes back, or I can't correct it myself? Do I have to live with it? Prisms and Vision therapy won't help? So what to do? I realise I have to wait for all the results of my tests, which will take a goo six months I would guess. Thanks again for replying. Simon >> You guys ignoring me, or is there a fundamental flaw with my posts? Are >> they so unanswerable? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >what was the question? Ill answer The only way to make this "Classic Ace" post better would have been to say, "I didn't CATCH the question, but--that notwithstanding--HERE is my answer." |
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