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odisbrown@pa.net - 01 Jun 2006 17:32 GMT
Dear sci.med.vision readers,

Subject: the treatments failed

Re: back to ECT

Unfortunately, my little stay at the Franklin
County Mental Health "facility" proved ineffective
at the threshhold.  

My wife left me, bless her heart.  My cat will
no longer have "carnal knowledge" with me
as before.

Dr. Raphaelson's kids want me to stop
using their father's name in Internet
conversations.  Ted Grosvenor and David
Guyton BOTH called me horrible names.

My niece, Joy, can't see to drive any longer
and I've frightened her so badly that she
will not see an optometrist for help.  Rather,
she is a public menace in Missouri by driving
in plus lenses while horribly myopic.

The current recommendation is full-amperage
"electro-convulsive therapy."  Seeing the
depth of my relapse so clearly before me (on
this forum) makes me realize that there is
no choice, and you DO know how I feel
about choice.

It may create lapses in reasoning, and poor
cognitive functioning, but I do NOT expect
that you will see any difference.

Best,

Odis
Ingenue

ps: Secretly, I have always wanted to BE
Mike Tyner.
Quick - 01 Jun 2006 17:57 GMT
> Dear sci.med.vision readers,
>
> Subject: the treatments failed

> It may create lapses in reasoning, and poor
> cognitive functioning, but I do NOT expect
> that you will see any difference.

Wow, I see marked improvement already.
Only 3 quoted words/phrases and a dramatic
reduction of words in all caps. Both sort of
used for emphasis and clarity instead of
completely randomized. Good job Odis.

-Quick
otisbrown@pa.net - 01 Jun 2006 18:47 GMT
Some corrections:

1.  Odis -- is Neil Brooks postings.

++++++++++

Brooks>  Dr. Raphaelson's kids want me to stop
using their father's name in Internet
conversations.

Otis> I have recently typed up Dr. Raphaelson's
autobiography -- at the request of his
grand daughter.

Otis> The rest is all slander by Brooks.
Gives you an idea of the "quality" of his mind.

Otis
Neil Brooks - 01 Jun 2006 18:49 GMT
>Some corrections:
>
>1.  Odis -- is Neil Brooks postings.

Nice try.

>++++++++++
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>autobiography -- at the request of his
>grand daughter.

People usually type their OWN autobiographies, Otis.

>Otis> The rest is all slander by Brooks.
>Gives you an idea of the "quality" of his mind.
>
>Otis

Nice try ... again.

Also, isn't slander SPOKEN where LIBEL is written??

Thanks.
otisbrown@pa.net - 01 Jun 2006 18:56 GMT
Additional information for Neil D. Brooks of San Diego:

Brooks>  People usually type their OWN autobiographies, Otis.

Jacob Raphaelson typed up the original -- some time ago.

His grand daughter asked my to type an electronic copy.
(The orginal was cloth typewriter -- and could not be scanned.)

So yes, I re-typed the autobiography of Jacob Raphaelson.

An interesting story of early optometry starting
about 1897 -- and how it evolved.

It is very clear that it is profoundly easy to "service" a
person with a strong minus lens -- and send them
on their way.

To go beyond that point -- seems to be impossible.

Otis
Mike Tyner - 01 Jun 2006 20:08 GMT
> To go beyond that point -- seems to be impossible.

Are you finally getting that?

-MT
Neil Brooks - 01 Jun 2006 21:35 GMT
>Additional information for Neil D. Brooks of San Diego:

Otis?  Is there a reason that you excluded the rest of my personal
information this time ... unlike when you posted my address and phone
number on the YaBB site??

That said, you'll go to ANY LENGTHS to try to get me to stop asking
you ... these questions, won't you, you sick, twisted, demented,
ignorant, impotent fool:

Here they are again ... for your convenience:

1.    There seems to be a great deal of evidence that primates have
widely differing visual systems.  How is it that you feel so secure in
saying that “all primate eyes” behave similarly … in ANY regard?
2.    In these monkey studies that you reference, isn’t it true that
the SAME STUDIES showed that, with even BRIEF periods away from the
minus lens, the myopia was prevented?
3.    If there was no medical indication that these monkeys needed
corrective lenses at all, can you be sure that appropriate CORRECTION
of somebody's REFRACTIVE ERROR will have similar results?  If so, how?
4.    You continually claim that a minus lens causes something that
you call “stair-case myopia.”  Presuming that you mean that it does
this in humans, do you have any valid clinical evidence for this
claim?
5.    You have repeatedly claimed that the Oakley-Young study is
“proof” of this “stair-case myopia” phenomenon, but Oakley-Young only
establishes that—in some people—myopia can get worse over time.  It
doesn’t even CLAIM that a minus lens CAUSES this.  Please explain your
position.
6.    Also—at least in part, based on the Oakley-Young study—you
recommend that people use plus lenses to prevent myopia.  Are you
aware that the only people in the Oakley-Young study for whom plus
lenses made ANY difference were those with diagnosed “near-point
esophoria?”  This is a convergence disorder.  Do you have ANY EVIDENCE
that the same result is likely with people who DO NOT HAVE this
convergence disorder?
7.    You claim to have known Donald Rehm, the founder of the
International Myopia Prevention Association, for some decades.  I
presume that you are familiar with his FDA petition.  In it, Mr. Rehm
states:
[quote]"A percentage of children may have difficulty "accepting" a
large add because of the strong linkage in the human visual system
between accommodation and convergence (turning the eyes inward when
looking at something close). As a viewed object approaches the eyes,
accommodation and convergence increase in proportion to each other.
Over thousands of years, the brain has learned that this is the normal
situation.  Consequently, accommodation stimulates convergence and
vice versa.   Thus, if we converge without accommodating the
appropriate amount, or if we accommodate without converging the
appropriate amount, problems can develop for this small percentage of
children such as eye fatigue, double vision, or other types of fusion
problems. That is, the two images can no longer be fused together
without discomfort. Normal binocular vision is interfered
with.”[/quote]
[b]Is there a valid reason why you have not attempted to make people
aware of these SERIOUS risks of unprescribed plus lenses?[/b]
8.    You continually cite Fred Deakins as a (questionable) success
story.  Do you think it is honest NOT to mention that Mr.  Deakins
is--in truth--myopic, that he is trying to sell a $40.00 product, and
that his “testimonial” is used as an inducement to buy this product?
9.    Do you have any economic interest in the product sold by Mr.
Deakins?
10.    You claimed that you were not selling a book--until, that is,
I provided links to websites where it WAS being sold for $24.95 (with
your home address as the "send check to" address).  You then claimed
that the entire book was available for free on the internet--until,
that its--I pointed out that only approximately four of 14+ chapters
were on the internet. Would you please clarify whether or not you have
ever received money for a copy of your book, “How to avoid
nearsightedness: A scientific study of the normal eye's behavior?”  If
so, please state how many copies you have sold, and when the last copy
was sold.  If not, please state how long it has been since you
received any money for this book.
11.    Do you believe that it is dishonest NOT to mention that you
have a commercial interest in inducing people to visit your website?
12.    Presuming that you understand the difference between
accommodative spasm (pseudomyopia) and axial-length myopia, would you
please provide credible proof that either a) pseudomyopia CAUSES
axial-length myopia, or that b) relieving pseudomyopia REDUCES
axial-length myopia
13.    You CONSTANTLY make reference to "Second Opinion"
optometrists--presumably meaning those who share your views.  Other
than the now-infamous Steve Leung, are there ANY OTHER such "second
opinion optometrists" in the ENTIRE WORLD?  Does any of these people
have any evidence to support the claims that you make?  Would you
please provide it?
14.    Mr. Steve Leung is also trying to sell a book.  Do you have
any economic interest in the book sold by Steve Leung?  Do you think
it is honest NOT to mention that Mr. Leung is--in truth--myopic, that
he is trying to sell a book, and that the “testimonials" on his
website, and your repeated referrals TO his website are used as
inducements to sell both your and his  book?
15.    Do you feel that it is HONEST NOT TO admit that--even though
your niece, Joy, NEVER WORE MINUS LENSES, and DID USE PLUS LENSES, she
is, at this time, a myope?
Simon Dean - 03 Jun 2006 17:44 GMT
> His grand daughter asked my to type an electronic copy.
> (The orginal was cloth typewriter -- and could not be scanned.)

It wasn't on paper then?

Honestly, with all your spelling mistakes, I sure hope you got a few
people to proof read and validate against the original?
Mike Tyner - 01 Jun 2006 20:07 GMT
> Otis> I have recently typed up Dr. Raphaelson's
> autobiography -- at the request of his
> grand daughter.

How 'bout typing up his protocol for showing that minus lenses accellerate
myopia in adolescent humans.

-MT
A Lieberman - 01 Jun 2006 22:28 GMT
> Some corrections:
>
> 1.  Odis -- is Neil Brooks postings.

Prove it Otis.  I bet you can't.  

Could Odis be me?  Quick?  Mike?  Conspiracy?  Mushrooms?  Prozac?

Allen
Quick - 01 Jun 2006 22:35 GMT
>> Some corrections:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Could Odis be me?  Quick?  Mike?  Conspiracy?  Mushrooms?
> Prozac?

Wow... Mushrooms... never thought of that. Odis could be Ace.
Think of the implications there.

-Quick
 
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