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OTIS?  A FEW QUESTIONS, IF YOU PLEASE....

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Neil Brooks - 31 May 2006 15:14 GMT
Though asked a hundred times, he won't answer.  Draw your own
conclusions:

1.    There seems to be a great deal of evidence that primates have widely
differing visual systems.  How is it that you feel so secure in saying
that "all primate eyes" behave similarly ... in ANY regard?
2.    In these monkey studies that you reference, isn't it true that the
SAME STUDIES showed that, with even BRIEF periods away from the minus
lens, the myopia was prevented?
3.    If there was no medical indication that these monkeys needed
corrective lenses at all, can you be sure that appropriate CORRECTION
of somebody's REFRACTIVE ERROR will have similar results?  If so, how?
4.    You continually claim that a minus lens causes something that you
call "stair-case myopia."  Presuming that you mean that it does
this in humans, do you have any valid clinical evidence for this claim?
5.    You have repeatedly claimed that the Oakley-Young study is
"proof" of this "stair-case myopia" phenomenon, but
Oakley-Young only establishes that-in some people-myopia can get
worse over time.  It doesn't even CLAIM that a minus lens CAUSES
this.  Please explain your position.
6.    Also-at least in part, based on the Oakley-Young study-you
recommend that people use plus lenses to prevent myopia.  Are you aware
that the only people in the Oakley-Young study for whom plus lenses
made ANY difference were those with diagnosed "near-point
esophoria?"  This is a convergence disorder.  Do you have ANY
EVIDENCE that the same result is likely with people who DO NOT HAVE
this convergence disorder?
7.    You claim to have known Donald Rehm, the founder of the
International Myopia Prevention Association, for some decades.  I
presume that you are familiar with his FDA petition.  In it, Mr. Rehm
states:
[quote]"A percentage of children may have difficulty "accepting" a
large add because of the strong linkage in the human visual system
between accommodation and convergence (turning the eyes inward when
looking at something close). As a viewed object approaches the eyes,
accommodation and convergence increase in proportion to each other.
Over thousands of years, the brain has learned that this is the normal
situation.  Consequently, accommodation stimulates convergence and vice
versa.   Thus, if we converge without accommodating the appropriate
amount, or if we accommodate without converging the appropriate amount,
problems can develop for this small percentage of children such as eye
fatigue, double vision, or other types of fusion problems. That is, the
two images can no longer be fused together without discomfort. Normal
binocular vision is interfered with."[/quote]
[b]Is there a valid reason why you have not attempted to make people
aware of these SERIOUS risks of unprescribed plus lenses?[/b]
8.    You continually cite Fred Deakins as a (questionable) success story.
Do you think it is honest NOT to mention that Mr.  Deakins is--in
truth--myopic, that he is trying to sell a $40.00 product, and that his
"testimonial" is used as an inducement to buy this product?
9.    Do you have any economic interest in the product sold by Mr.
Deakins?
10.    You claimed that you were not selling a book--until, that is, I
provided links to websites where it WAS being sold for $24.95 (with
your home address as the "send check to" address).  You then claimed
that the entire book was available for free on the internet--until,
that its--I pointed out that only approximately four of 14+ chapters
were on the internet. Would you please clarify whether or not you have
ever received money for a copy of your book, "How to avoid
nearsightedness: A scientific study of the normal eye's behavior?"
If so, please state how many copies you have sold, and when the last
copy was sold.  If not, please state how long it has been since you
received any money for this book.
11.    Do you believe that it is dishonest NOT to mention that you have a
commercial interest in inducing people to visit your website?
12.    Presuming that you understand the difference between accommodative
spasm (pseudomyopia) and axial-length myopia, would you please provide
credible proof that either a) pseudomyopia CAUSES axial-length myopia,
or that b) relieving pseudomyopia REDUCES axial-length myopia
13.    You CONSTANTLY make reference to "Second Opinion"
optometrists--presumably meaning those who share your views.  Other
than the now-infamous Steve Leung, are there ANY OTHER such "second
opinion optometrists" in the ENTIRE WORLD?  Does any of these people
have any evidence to support the claims that you make?  Would you
please provide it?
14.    Mr. Steve Leung is also trying to sell a book.  Do you have any
economic interest in the book sold by Steve Leung?  Do you think it is
honest NOT to mention that Mr. Leung is--in truth--myopic, that he is
trying to sell a book, and that the "testimonials" on his website,
and your repeated referrals TO his website are used as inducements to
sell both your and his  book?
15.    Do you feel that it is HONEST NOT TO admit that--even though your
niece, Joy, NEVER WORE MINUS LENSES, and DID USE PLUS LENSES, she is,
at this time, a myope?
The Central Scrutinizer - 31 May 2006 17:45 GMT
> Though asked a hundred times, he won't answer.  Draw your own
> conclusions:

I hear the distinct sounds of crickets.
Neil Brooks - 31 May 2006 18:33 GMT
>> Though asked a hundred times, he won't answer.  Draw your own
>> conclusions:
>
>I hear the distinct sounds of crickets.

Accompanied by the soft sounds of tumbleweed a-blowin' across the
plains....
LarryDoc - 31 May 2006 19:42 GMT
> >> Though asked a hundred times, he won't answer.  Draw your own
> >> conclusions:
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> Accompanied by the soft sounds of tumbleweed a-blowin' across the
> plains....

Thanks for the memories!

Back to the kill-file with Otis and related BS. It wasn't fun while it
lasted 'cause it's lasted.

Oh so tempting to reply to old geezer. But I've joined QAA (quack
alerters anonymous) and I'm a recovering quack replier.

LB, O.D.
Neil Brooks - 31 May 2006 21:36 GMT
>> >> Though asked a hundred times, he won't answer.  Draw your own
>> >> conclusions:
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>
>LB, O.D.

I still say use me (and Bobby and Quick and Messr. Lieberman) as "wear
parts," or sacrificial lambs.  We seem to derive perverse pleasure
from torturing the old guy.

With luck, we'll allow you and the other docs (and Scott S.) to
participate, unsullied, continuing to do good.

Kill file all that you can and all that you must--myself included, if
need be--but please stay around.  You (all) do a great thing by
participating here.
A Lieberman - 01 Jun 2006 01:32 GMT
> I still say use me (and Bobby and Quick and Messr. Lieberman) as "wear
> parts," or sacrificial lambs.  We seem to derive perverse pleasure
> from torturing the old guy.

Agree with Neil here.  

I'd much rather the docs put their time and effort to those in need.  I for
one appreciate the time the quality people put into these groups.

I figure to be sure anytime the old guy posts to a new person, that I
follow up with my standard reply.  

Gotta give my copy and paste a workout once in awhile with a tweak here and
there.

Allen
 
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