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otisbrown@pa.net - 31 May 2006 14:35 GMT
    THE TRUTH ABOUT SEEING:  GUARDING YOUR CHILD'S VISION

                   Stirling Colgate, Ph.D.

                    Vera F.  Rollo, Ph.D.

    It's not that eye specialists and optometrists in treating
nearsightedness want to provide an incorrect method of treatment.
The fact is, however, that many health care professionals feel
forced to follow the tradition of the last 300 years.  Actually
there are two options in treating nearsightedness.  The
traditional one is to prescribe minus lenses (which gives a "quick
fix").  This unfortunately results in progressive worsening and
the requirement for stronger minus lenses at each subsequent eye
examination.  The other option is to provide a positive lens
(essentially a magnifying or relaxing lens) for reading.  This
approach produces a long-term solution by gradually restoring
clear distant vision to the naked eye.    This lens is used only for
close work.

    You may say, "But that doesn't make sense.  Isn't that
contradictory?"

    Well perhaps, on the face of it, yet we are familiar with
quick-fixes that only make the problem worse in the long run.  The
easy fix taps into the very strong human tendency to resist
innovation and scientific knowledge, to do things the way one has
always been taught.  Yes, even in spite of the evidence!

    The evidence, supported by studies done as early as 1961, is
that the understanding of the normal (remember the word normal)
eye is quite neglected, [1].  Most researchers and medical
professionals have focussed on the defective eye and the diseases
of the eye.  Only a few researchers have studied the normal eye
and what a marvelous organism it is.

    The eye develops its focal state in response to its
environment.  This is an essential behavioral characteristic of
the normal eye.  The eye does not develop nearsightedness (a
negative focal state) until about the age of seven or eight when a
child reaches second or third grade.  When a youngster studies,
reads, writes, he or she is looking near at hand.  After years of
this close work, the eye gradually adapts to this close focal
environment.  In a word, he or she becomes nearsighted.

    Prescribing and using a minus lens enables the student to
immediately see an eye chart, which is at a distance.  This is
because the negative lens makes the chart have the focal
properties of an object much closer.  The negative lens encourages
the eye to adapt to all objects being closer, and so the eye
becomes even more nearsighted.

    But, you may ask next, what else can an optometrist or
ophthalmologist do?  After all, hasn't instant clarity of vision
been provided for the child?  Hasn't the child's long-term vision
been preserved?

    Not really.  Not when studies have shown that, instead, the
eye professionals should be discussing the alternative method, and
encouraging youngsters to study wearing a plus lens.  At the very
least, eye doctors should advise the student and his parents that
he must make a clear cut choice between these two major
alternatives.

    Many eye professionals do, in fact, make this recommendation.
You see, the plus lens will make reading easier, too.  It enlarges
the type on the page and relaxes the eye.  But most important of
all, it helps your child avoid the problem of progressively
worsening myopia.

    But don't all health professionals know this?  Some do, some
don't.  Many find it difficult to make the extra effort to
discuss, educate and explain this preventive approach to their
clients.  Some even resist the facts demonstrated by many
scientific studies.

    Let's take a look at just three things:  common
misconceptions about nearsightedness; the studies that prove that
the eye is dynamic; and some examples that show that plus lenses
do work to prevent nearsightedness.

First, nearsightedness is not a disease.  The medical term for the
     eye's long-term behavior is "myopia" -- which sounds like a
     disease, but it isn't -- in fact, it isn't even an eye
     defect.  It's an adjustment, or accommodation, that the
     normal eye always makes to the reading environment.  The use
     of a minus lens began in the seventeenth century when Johann
     Kepler, astronomer and scientist, found that he was becoming
     nearsighted, [2].  He applied a negative lens to his eyes
     and found that this lens instantly made distant objects
     clear.  This same idea is routinely used today.

Secondly:  A further misconception is that the eye is like a
     static box camera.  It is and it isn't.  It is a camera all
     right, but it is not static.  Back in the 1860s Dr.  H.
     Helmholtz and Dr.  F.  C.  Donders came up with the box
     camera theory, [3], [4].    But this theory simply ignores the
     fact that the normal eye is a dynamic structure which
     accommodates continuously in response to changes in its
     environment, or visual demands placed on it.

Thirdly:  The evidence began to surface a long time ago about the
     problem of the reading environment.  In a paper presented to
     the Royal Society of London, in 1813, the Honorable James
     Ware related his observations on nearsightedness, [5].  He
     found that the educated officers of the Queen's Guard were
     frequently nearsighted while among the 10,000 foot guards a
     scant half-dozen were nearsighted!  None of the foot guards
     had been educated enough to be able to read.
     Nearsightedness, myopia, was correctly attributed to the
     habit of looking at near objects.

    In modern times, Dr.  Frances Young studied the Eskimos of
Point Barrow before and after the introduction of schools.  You
can guess the results of his study.  There was found a sudden and
dramatic increase in myopia where nearly none was present in the
past.  A very large percentage of the children in schools became
myopic, [6].  A reading environment can be hazardous for the
health of your eyes!

    How Was A Solution Achieved?

    An early, successful prevention of myopia was accomplished by
Dr.  Jacob Raphaelson, [7].  This result, occurring in 1904, had
rather ironic consequence for him.

    A mother mentioned to him that her son had difficulty in
seeing in school.  The doctor made an appointment to fit the boy
with glasses.  Raphaelson found that the boy's vision was poor,
worse than 20/40.  The mother promised to pay the doctor when her
husband, a printer, returned in about six weeks.  So Dr.
Raphaelson provided positive lenses, rather than the conventional
negative lenses, and agreed to wait for payment.

    The boy used these lenses and in under six weeks his vision
was tested and found to be excellent.  His nearsighted eyes had
been returned to 20/20.  But when the father appeared, he refused
to believe that the doctor had effected a cure, because the boy's
eyes were fine!  The mother returned the glasses to Dr.
Raphaelson.

    The point should not be lost that had Dr.    Raphaelson fitted
the boy with negative lenses, the boy would have immediately seen
clearly at a distance.    Both the boy and the mother would have
been immediately happy and Dr.    Raphaelson would have been paid
for the prescription of glasses that provided this solution.  As
the years passed, Raphaelson would have been paid again and again
for increasingly stronger negative lenses.  This argument, that
only a instant solution can be provided, and that recovery cannot
be achieved with a plus lens, surfaces in various forms to this
day.

    Part 2
otisbrown@pa.net - 31 May 2006 14:37 GMT
    Part 2

    For years, since 1879 in fact, studies of military cadets in
the United States have shown that their vision changes over the
years of their academic work.  Records reveal that a large
percentage of the cadets (39% of those at the U.S.  Military
Academy in 1956) [8] became nearsighted and needed negative lenses
by graduation.    Further, of those who developed 20/25 vision, only
one percent recovered to 20/20 over the four years, [9].  (They
were not provided with plus-lenses, and for this reason had no
chance to recover.) In early years their degraded vision was
blamed on the fumes of gas lighting, and later, on any number of
factors, but the upshot of the studies was that none of these
circumstance were really behind the cadet's loss of visual acuity.
The myopia (change of focal state) was caused by constantly
looking close, studying, reading, looking at books, rather than at
distant objects.

    "Chickens Don't Lie", might well be an amusing title for the
study done by Dr.  Howard C.  Howland of Cornell University in
1987.  (The formal name of the no-nonsense study, however, was
"Accommodation, Refractive Error and Eye Growth in Chickens"),
[10].  Dr.  Howland wanted to find out the effects of positive
lenses and negative lenses on normal eyes.

    Dr.  Howland took five chickens and put plus lenses on them.
Another five chickens were equipped with minus lenses.    Yet a
third group had a plus lens on one eye and a minus lens on the
other eye.  A control group was maintained for standard scientific
protocol.  In every case the eyes of the chickens with plus
lenses, upon examination, were found to have accommodated in a
positive direction.  Also, in every case the eyes of the chickens
with minus lenses accommodated in a negative direction.  This
clearly showed that lenses do profoundly affect the focal state of
the eye.  Translated into human terms, the negative lens caused
nearsightedness, and the positive lens restored clear distant
vision.

    DOES THE NORMAL HUMAN (PRIMATE) EYE BEHAVE THE SAME WAY?

    Monkeys were used in another study to find out more about the
normal eye.  This study was conducted by Frank Young, Ph.D.,
Washington State University.  Monkeys were used because they are,
frankly, the closest animals to humans.  [1]

    Dr.  Young confined adolescent monkeys in a box where they
were looking very close, about 14 inches in most directions with
20 inches as a maximum, for eleven months.  A control group of
monkeys was maintained and kept in regular cages.  No lenses at
all were used on the animals.  Here, the argument being tested was
the expectation that environment would not cause a negative change
of focus in the normal eye.

    Young, checking the monkeys in the boxes, found that all
their eyes accommodated in the direction of nearsightedness -- to
varying degrees.  The correlation to the changed visual
environment was excellent.  The correlation coefficient was in
fact 0.97, where 1.00 would be perfect correlation, [11].  The
control group showed no meaningful change in their focal status,
indicating that if you do not change your visual environment, the
focal status of your eyes will not change.  This experiment
explicitly demonstrates that the normal eye always changes its
focal state to match one's changed visual environment.

    BUT WAIT, WHAT DOES ALL THIS PROVE?

    It shows that the eye is not a rigid "box camera" as was
previously thought, but is in fact a dynamic living organism that
always adjusts its focus to its environment.  It always changes,
it always accommodates!  Frankly, and somewhat understandably,
studies of the normal eye have been avoided with the thought that
they are unnecessary.  Medical researchers, instead, have
concentrated on eye diseases and disorders.  This in the face of
much accumulated statistical data that clearly shows that the
focal status of all military academy students moves toward
nearsightedness -- from their plebe year to graduation, [9].

    WHAT SHOULD YOU DO?

    To protect the eyes of your children, you may wish to consult
with your eye care professional.  Ask him for a discussion
concerning the effective use of a plus lenses for recovery and
prevention.  We are assuming that the child either has 20/20
eyesight and you want to prevent nearsightedness.  Or, that your
child has just failed to read the 20/20 line on the eye chart, and
is therefore on the threshold of nearsightedness.  You obviously
want to work with the eye specialists to help your child clear and
maintain his distant vision.

    Further, you should obtain an eye chart so that you can check
your child's eyesight yourself.  (These charts cost about $8.00).
Your eye doctor will sell you one, or will assist you in getting
one if you ask for it.

    WHAT WILL YOU ENCOUNTER?

    You will meet some eye professionals who are willing to help
you.  You might, perhaps, ask for a "behavioral optometrist".  Now
some optometrists and ophthalmologists may resist innovation and
oppose your efforts to help your child recover from
nearsightedness, as a personal bias.  It is also true that some
ophthalmologists are supportive of the preventative approach since
they have, for some time, recognized the bad effect that a
negative lens has on the normal eye.  With this recognition they
have either declined to use the lens at all, or have
under-prescribed the negative lens, [12].

    If your selected doctor is unwilling to discuss the normal
eye's behavior with you, as well as the bad effect the negative
lens has on the eye, or is opposed to any use of a positive lens
for recovery and/or prevention, it would be wise to seek another
doctor with a more reasonable outlook.    Your decision is critical
at this stage!

    While completely successful recovery may be obtained when
your vision is 20/25, 20/30, and even 20/40, there is a limit to
the eye's ability to respond properly to a positive lens.  You
should be knowledgeable of the long-term effect that a lens has on
the eye -- before you finally chose to use the negative-lens
approach.

    The negative lens will push your eyes rapidly towards 20/100,
and worse.  Tragically, it is also true that after this happens, a
positive lens can no longer have the desired recovery effect,
[13].

Part 3
otisbrown@pa.net - 31 May 2006 14:39 GMT
    WHAT IS THE JUDGMENT OF EYE DOCTORS?

    Members of the health profession have developed the
alternative approach to the historical practice.  Since 1949 they
have pioneered a plus-lens (bifocal) approach, [14].  In addition,
individual members of the eye-care profession have strongly railed
against the complacency that exists within the profession.  In a
paper presented to the ANZAAS Scientific Congress in Auckland,
Maurice Brumer said, [15]:

"...  The eye care professions of Optometry and Ophthalmology have
     resisted change irrationally and fearfully, unwilling to
     admit that what has gone on before [the use of
     thenegative-lens] has been wrong and harmful, and by doing
     so they have unleashed on the public they serve a cataract
     of horror.  This continued situation [of failing to inform
     the public adequately of the danger of minus-lens use] is a
     tragedy for the public and disgrace for optometry.

    "While it is understandable that optometrists will not find
it easy to admit that what they have been doing is wrong and
harmful, especially for those academic university optometrists
responsible for the education of our graduates, to preserve the
current horrors to protect our professional prestige and privilege
is an abdication of our responsibilities, ethics and morality.

    "I can make no apology for causing embarrassment to my
professional colleagues.  The interests of the public are
paramount and must be served.  The purpose of this paper is to
direct the future to end the disgrace of the past."

    ALL THIS IS FINE, BUT DOES IT REALLY WORK?

    One of the authors of this paper, Dr.  Stirling Colgate, has
used the above described technique to restore his own vision.
When he was 14 years old he found that he had 20/80 vision.  By
persistently using the plus lens for all close work, he
successfully returned his vision to 20/20.  While overseas during
WWII he twice lost his positive lens glasses and soon developed
myopia.  Each time, after roughly six months, he again obtained
positive lenses for reading and returned his vision to 20/20.  He
is a physicist with the Los Alamos National Laboratory.  Yes, both
personal experience and scientific studies prove that it works.
In Dr.    Colgate's judgment, anyone could accomplish the same
result if he has similar motivation, commitment and understanding
of the normal eye's behavior.

REFERENCES

1.  Frances A.Young, "The Effect of Restricted Visual Space on the
     Primate Eye", Am.  J.  Ophth., Vol.  52, No.  5, Part II,
     799-806, 1961.

2.  Kepler, J., (1571-1630) "Dioptice:  Seu demonstration eorum
     quae visui et visibilibus propter conspicilla non ita pridem
     inventa accidunt", Augsburg, 1611

3.  Helmholtz H., (1821-1894) "Physiological Optics", Translation
     by the Optical Society of America, 1924

Note:  Helmholz introduced word hyperopia.

4.  Donders, F.  C., (1818-1889) "Accommodation and Refraction of
     the Eye", London, The New Sydenham Society.  1864

Note:  The words emmetropia and ametropia were introduced by
     Donders.    Donders took the focal states of the normal eye to
     be DEFECTS of the eye.  Any non-zero focal state of the eye
     was, by definition, a defect (ametropia).  A focal state of
     EXACTLY zero was defined as "normal".  Under this
     definition, very few, if any, animals or humans have eyes
     that are normal!

5.  Ware, J.  "Observations relative to the near and distant sight
     of different persons", Phil.  Trans.  Roy.  Soc., Part
     1:31-50, 1813

6.  Young,F.A., Leary, G.  A., Goo, F.    J., Johanson, C., Baldwin,
     W.  R., West, D.C., Box, R.  A., and Harris, E., "Refractive
     Errors, Reading Performance, and School Achievement Among
     Eskimo Children", Am.  J.  Optom.  & Arch.  Am.  Acad.
     Optom., 47 (5), 384-390, 1970.

    (A review of this study is provided by Dr.  Maurice Brummer,
reference 15).

    The cause of myopia is further clearly indicated in a study
of 1,200 Eskimos in Barrow, Alaska, published in the American
Journal of Optometry in 1970, which showed that in one generation
of the Eskimo population had moved from no myopia to approximately
65% myopia among the off-spring, and that neither the grandparents
nor parents over 40 had any myopia.

    Thus the first generation between grandparents and parents
was similar in that myopia was nonexistent, but in the second
generation between the parents and their children, suddenly myopia
occurs in a surprisingly high number of children.  As a matter of
fact, of 53 offspring who were in their early 20's, 88% had
myopia.

    Such a sudden and great degree of change cannot readily be
accounted for on the basis of heredity, especially when there has
been no identifiable force which could have brought about this
obviously considerable mutation in the genetic composition of the
offspring.

    The obvious difference between the parents and the children
is the amount of near work which is currently being done by the
children.  About the time of the second World War, the white man
intruded into their lives, requiring the development of education
among a population which was uneducated and illiterate.  The
Eskimo has become an avid reader because of his environment.

    While he spends a great deal of time out-of-doors in the
warmer, daylight summer months, he spends relatively little time
out-of-doors in the cold, dark winter months.".

7.  Raphaelson J., "A Preventive and Remedy for School-Myopia",
     Book 3, 1958, 105 pages.

8.  Gmelin, Maj.  Robert T., MSC, USA, "Myopia at West Point:
     Past and Present." Military Medicine, 141 ( 542-3, August
     1976.

9.  Reynolds Hayden, M.D., "Development and Prevention of Myopia
     at the United States Naval Academy", Volume 25, (old series
     Volume 82), Number 4., Copyright, 1941, The American Medical
     Association.

10.  Frank Schaeffel, Adrian Glasser and Howard C.  Howland,
     "Accommodation, Refractive Error and Eye Growth in
     Chickens", VISION RES., Vol 28, No.  5 pp 639-657, 1988.
     Pergamon Press.

    RESULTS:

    All eyes treated with positive lenses became consistently
more positive (hyperopic).

    Negative lenses produced more negative (myopic) refractions
(focal states) in all eyes.

    In a test of plus/minus lenses on left/right eyes, the eye
with the plus lens moved in a positive direction.  The eye with a
minus lens moved in a minus direction.

    The control group did not change significantly in any
direction.

11.  Brown,Otis S., "How to Avoid Nearsightedness", C & O
     Research, pp 53-56, 1989.

12.  Southall, J.  P.  C., "Introduction to Physiological Optics",
     Dover Publications, Inc.    1937.  [Reference:  page 141,
     "While there is still a strong prejudice (judgment) in some
     quarters AGAINST the full correction (of a minus lens)...".]

13.  Rehm, Donald S., "The Myopia Myth -- The Truth about
     Nearsightedness and How to Prevent it", pp 103-6, 1981

14.  Betz, J.  N., "Success with Bifocals for Children", Credit to
     O.E.P., Opt J Rev Optom 86:  42, 1949

15.  Brumer, Maurice, "Eyestrain -- Its Causes, Consequences and
     Treatment", Australian and New Zealand Association for the
     Advancement of Science (ANZAAS), New Zealand 1/26/79

    ========================

    Review:

    "The Truth About Seeing"

    [Comment by a supportive friend:  I'd like to add that in my
own experience, the optical profession is made up of highly
qualified, competent, caring individuals, some of whom I happen to
disagree with.    Regardless, I do not envy their positions, for
they face quite a dilemma.  The existing standard for treating
nearsightedness is to let it run wild; traditional treatments do
not help nearsightedness, and quite probably make it worse.

    On the other hand, in adopting newer treatments for
nearsightedness the brave ones risk raising the eyebrows of
parents, patients, and colleagues alike with unfamiliar treatments
that most of us are not accustomed to.    (A major goal of this site
is to educate the public so that we can be better patients!)

    That there is a spirited debate between the two camps should
not be taken as any sign of disrespect for the optical
professionals we so depend on -- none is intended.  ja]
Neil Brooks - 31 May 2006 15:04 GMT
All very well and good.

I'd like to pose a few questions.  If you are at all honest, I can see
no reason why you wouldn't answer them:

1.    There seems to be a great deal of evidence that primates have widely
differing visual systems.  How is it that you feel so secure in saying
that "all primate eyes" behave similarly ... in ANY regard?
2.    In these monkey studies that you reference, isn't it true that the
SAME STUDIES showed that, with even BRIEF periods away from the minus
lens, the myopia was prevented?
3.    If there was no medical indication that these monkeys needed
corrective lenses at all, can you be sure that appropriate CORRECTION
of somebody's REFRACTIVE ERROR will have similar results?  If so, how?
4.    You continually claim that a minus lens causes something that you
call "stair-case myopia."  Presuming that you mean that it does
this in humans, do you have any valid clinical evidence for this claim?
5.    You have repeatedly claimed that the Oakley-Young study is
"proof" of this "stair-case myopia" phenomenon, but
Oakley-Young only establishes that-in some people-myopia can get
worse over time.  It doesn't even CLAIM that a minus lens CAUSES
this.  Please explain your position.
6.    Also-at least in part, based on the Oakley-Young study-you
recommend that people use plus lenses to prevent myopia.  Are you aware
that the only people in the Oakley-Young study for whom plus lenses
made ANY difference were those with diagnosed "near-point
esophoria?"  This is a convergence disorder.  Do you have ANY
EVIDENCE that the same result is likely with people who DO NOT HAVE
this convergence disorder?
7.    You claim to have known Donald Rehm, the founder of the
International Myopia Prevention Association, for some decades.  I
presume that you are familiar with his FDA petition.  In it, Mr. Rehm
states:
[quote]"A percentage of children may have difficulty "accepting" a
large add because of the strong linkage in the human visual system
between accommodation and convergence (turning the eyes inward when
looking at something close). As a viewed object approaches the eyes,
accommodation and convergence increase in proportion to each other.
Over thousands of years, the brain has learned that this is the normal
situation.  Consequently, accommodation stimulates convergence and vice
versa.   Thus, if we converge without accommodating the appropriate
amount, or if we accommodate without converging the appropriate amount,
problems can develop for this small percentage of children such as eye
fatigue, double vision, or other types of fusion problems. That is, the
two images can no longer be fused together without discomfort. Normal
binocular vision is interfered with."[/quote]
[b]Is there a valid reason why you have not attempted to make people
aware of these SERIOUS risks of unprescribed plus lenses?[/b]
8.    You continually cite Fred Deakins as a (questionable) success story.
Do you think it is honest NOT to mention that Mr.  Deakins is--in
truth--myopic, that he is trying to sell a $40.00 product, and that his
"testimonial" is used as an inducement to buy this product?
9.    Do you have any economic interest in the product sold by Mr.
Deakins?
10.    You claimed that you were not selling a book--until, that is, I
provided links to websites where it WAS being sold for $24.95 (with
your home address as the "send check to" address).  You then claimed
that the entire book was available for free on the internet--until,
that its--I pointed out that only approximately four of 14+ chapters
were on the internet. Would you please clarify whether or not you have
ever received money for a copy of your book, "How to avoid
nearsightedness: A scientific study of the normal eye's behavior?"
If so, please state how many copies you have sold, and when the last
copy was sold.  If not, please state how long it has been since you
received any money for this book.
11.    Do you believe that it is dishonest NOT to mention that you have a
commercial interest in inducing people to visit your website?
12.    Presuming that you understand the difference between accommodative
spasm (pseudomyopia) and axial-length myopia, would you please provide
credible proof that either a) pseudomyopia CAUSES axial-length myopia,
or that b) relieving pseudomyopia REDUCES axial-length myopia
13.    You CONSTANTLY make reference to "Second Opinion"
optometrists--presumably meaning those who share your views.  Other
than the now-infamous Steve Leung, are there ANY OTHER such "second
opinion optometrists" in the ENTIRE WORLD?  Does any of these people
have any evidence to support the claims that you make?  Would you
please provide it?
14.    Mr. Steve Leung is also trying to sell a book.  Do you have any
economic interest in the book sold by Steve Leung?  Do you think it is
honest NOT to mention that Mr. Leung is--in truth--myopic, that he is
trying to sell a book, and that the "testimonials" on his website,
and your repeated referrals TO his website are used as inducements to
sell both your and his  book?
15.    Do you feel that it is HONEST NOT TO admit that--even though your
niece, Joy, NEVER WORE MINUS LENSES, and DID USE PLUS LENSES, she is,
at this time, a myope?
otisbrown@pa.net - 01 Jun 2006 16:45 GMT
Neil, you might considering READING the paper by
Dr. Stirling Colgate and Dr. Vera Rollo
before vomiting your 14 points onto sci.med.vision.

If you responded intelligently to the work of
Dr. Colgate, and discussed the actual issues
raised by preventive concepts -- you might do better.

We could discuss the right of a person to be
properly informed of this preventive method BEFORE
that first minus is applied.

We could discuss legal standards.

We could determine if the fundamental eye is
a dynamic system (i.e., control system)
by running tests on the fundamental primate
eye to determine if its refractive state FOLLOWS
an applied -3 diopter lens.

We could discuss scientific concepts as described
in "The Structure of Scienific Revolutions", and
the need for a fundamental evaluation of the
safety of the minus -- and much else.

But that is not going to happen, now is this.

Or are you haveing a hard time reading this
through you +6 Diopter lenses?

Otis
Quick - 01 Jun 2006 17:16 GMT
> Neil, you might considering READING the paper by
> Dr. Stirling Colgate and Dr. Vera Rollo
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> We could discuss the right of a person to be

Ummm, he didn't ask for any discussion did he?
He simply asked for your answer to a number of
questions.  He even numbered them so you wouldn't
have to struggle with quoting, indentation and the
other mechanics of posting you seem to have trouble
with.  I will help here.

Neil Question 1) > .....

Otis Answer 1) : .....

[repeat]

Neil Question 14) > ....

Otis Answer 14) : ....

Easy right?  We have all seen Neil's questions so
you only need to substitute your answer for the dots
on the Otis lines.

-Quick
Neil Brooks - 01 Jun 2006 17:22 GMT
>Neil, you might considering READING the paper by
>Dr. Stirling Colgate and Dr. Vera Rollo
>before vomiting your 14 points onto sci.med.vision.

a) It's 15, but then ... your math skills are no better than your
logic skills, science skills, statistics skills, or optometric skills,
now are they.

>If you responded intelligently to the work of
>Dr. Colgate, and discussed the actual issues
>raised by preventive concepts -- you might do better.

Speaking of responding: how ARE you coming along with the answers to
my questions??

>We could discuss legal standards.

Speaking of legal standards: how ARE you coming along with the State
of Pennsylvania investigation??

>We could determine if the fundamental eye is
>a dynamic system (i.e., control system)
>by running tests on the fundamental primate
>eye to determine if its refractive state FOLLOWS
>an applied -3 diopter lens.

We could discuss whether or not you've stopped beating your wife, too.

Have you?

>Or are you haveing a hard time reading this
>through you +6 Diopter lenses?

Nope.  See perfectly clearly.  See you lying, evading, avoiding,
obfuscating, and hurting people.

More Thorazine, Otis ... STAT!
The Central Scrutinizer - 01 Jun 2006 18:34 GMT
> Neil, you might considering READING the paper by

aaaannnnd... ANOTHER dodge. More artful than the last, but still
riotously transparent.
CatmanX - 01 Jun 2006 21:45 GMT
>      "The Truth About Seeing"

The question is, Cletis, are you prepared for the truth?

You are bombarding the board with your selective garbage, printed by
fictitious and highly unreliable authors to prove a point you have no
chance of winning.

If Dr Toothpaste were alive, he never gave a diagnosis of his
condition. Accommodative excess and insufficiency are 2 terms that come
to mind, neither of them myopia. Convergence excess and insufficiency
are another 2.

Unless you can post the records and they are able to be scrutinised,
then you have no case.

You are really just a lying little worm. Go back to your garbage heap.

dr grant
 
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