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Professor F. Young Endorces the Plus-Preventive Second-Opinion.

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otisbrown@pa.net - 31 May 2006 05:02 GMT
Dear Prevention minded friends,

Subject:  The nature of the developing (preventive) second opinion.

Dr. Young has a long history in research.  Here is his statement
supporting your right to be infomed of the PREVENTIVE second-opinion.

Best,

Otis

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Professor Emeritus at Wshington State University, Dr. Young is also a
recipient of the AOA's prestigious Apollo Award, as well as ten other
honors in the optometric profession.  He has authored or co-authored
more than 100 research papers, and his groundbreaking research with
Native Alaskans in 1968 provided powerful evidence that nearsightedness
might not be inherited and could potentially be prevented.  He is a
graduate of Ohio State University.

      ________________________________________________________________

My support for Steve Leung

To the Parents:

I would like to personally endorse the work of Steve H. Leung and
Alfred Han Bossino in their effort to educate the public about the
necessity of using the plus for prevention. Dr. Leung's knowledge and
skill could be of considerable value to your child in his goal to
maintain clear distant vision through the school years.

 Francis A. Young  Ph.D.

N..B.:Professor Young requests the removal of his name as an author of
the Houston bifocal study.
Neil Brooks - 31 May 2006 05:14 GMT
Fascinating.

Would you care to answer my questions now:

1. There seems to be a great deal of evidence that primates have widely
differing visual systems.  How is it that you feel so secure in saying
that "all primate eyes" behave similarly ... in ANY regard?
2. In these monkey studies that you reference, isn't it true that the
SAME STUDIES showed that, with even BRIEF periods away from the minus
lens, the myopia was prevented?
3. If there was no medical indication that these monkeys needed
corrective lenses at all, can you be sure that appropriate CORRECTION
of somebody's REFRACTIVE ERROR will have similar results?  If so, how?

4. You continually claim that a minus lens causes something that you
call "stair-case myopia."  Presuming that you mean that it does
this in humans, can you cite your source for this claim?
5. You have repeatedly claimed that the Oakley-Young study is
"proof" of this "stair-case myopia" phenomenon, but
Oakley-Young only establishes that-in some people-myopia can get
worse over time.  It doesn't even CLAIM that a minus lens CAUSES
this.  Please explain your position.
6. Also-at least in part, based on the Oakley-Young study-you
recommend that people use plus lenses to prevent myopia.  Are you aware
that the only people in the Oakley-Young study for whom plus lenses
made ANY difference were those with diagnosed "near-point
esophoria?"  This is a convergence disorder.  Do you have ANY
EVIDENCE that the same result is likely with people who DO NOT HAVE
this convergence disorder?
7. You claim to have known Donald Rehm, the founder of the
International Myopia Prevention Association, for some decades.  I
presume that you are familiar with his FDA petition.  In it, Mr. Rehm
states:
Quote:"A percentage of children may have difficulty "accepting" a large
add because of the strong linkage in the human visual system between
accommodation and convergence (turning the eyes inward when looking at
something close). As a viewed object approaches the eyes, accommodation
and convergence increase in proportion to each other. Over thousands of
years, the brain has learned that this is the normal situation.
Consequently, accommodation stimulates convergence and vice versa.
Thus, if we converge without accommodating the appropriate amount, or
if we accommodate without converging the appropriate amount, problems
can develop for this small percentage of children such as eye fatigue,
double vision, or other types of fusion problems. That is, the two
images can no longer be fused together without discomfort. Normal
binocular vision is interfered with."

Is there a valid reason why you have not attempted to make people aware
of these SERIOUS risks of unprescribed plus lenses?
8. You continually cite Fred Deakins as a (questionable) success story.
Do you think it is honest NOT to mention that Mr.  Deakins is--in
truth--myopic, that he is trying to sell a $40.00 product, and that his
"testimonial" is used as an inducement to buy this product?
9. Do you have any economic interest in the product sold by Mr.
Deakins?
10. You claimed that you were not selling a book--until, that is, I
provided links to websites where it WAS being sold for $24.95 (with
your home address as the "send check to" address).  You then claimed
that the entire book was available for free on the internet--until,
that its--I pointed out that only approximately four of 14+ chapters
were on the internet. Would you please clarify whether or not you have
ever received money for a copy of your book, "How to avoid
nearsightedness: A scientific study of the normal eye's behavior?"
If so, please state how many copies you have sold, and when the last
copy was sold.  If not, please state how long it has been since you
received any money for this book.
11. Do you believe that it is dishonest NOT to mention that you have a
commercial interest in inducing people to visit your website?
12. Presuming that you understand the difference between accommodative
spasm (pseudomyopia) and axial-length myopia, would you please provide
credible proof that either a) pseudomyopia CAUSES axial-length myopia,
or that b) relieving pseudomyopia REDUCES axial-length myopia
13. You CONSTANTLY make reference to "Second Opinion"
optometrists--presumably meaning those who share your views.  Other
than the now-infamous Steve Leung, are there ANY OTHER such "second
opinion optometrists" in the ENTIRE WORLD?  Does any of these people
have any evidence to support the claims that you make?  Would you
please provide it?
14. Mr. Steve Leung is also trying to sell a book.  Do you have any
economic interest in the book sold by Steve Leung?  Do you think it is
honest NOT to mention that Mr. Leung is--in truth--myopic, that he is
trying to sell a book, and that the "testimonials" on his website,
and your repeated referrals TO his website are used as inducements to
sell both your and his  book?
15. Do you feel that it is HONEST NOT TO admit that--even though your
niece, Joy, NEVER WORE MINUS LENSES, and DID USE PLUS LENSES, she is,
at this time, a myope?
otisbrown@pa.net - 31 May 2006 05:20 GMT
It is easy to shoot you mouth off on sci.med.vision -- as
you are doing.

But let us have a list of your published scientific papers --
as Dr. Young has done.

The concept of plus-prevention is indeed the second-opinion,
as stated by Dr. Theo Grosvenor.

The real difficulty is in the implementation of the concept.

And that will depend on the parents who understand
the concept -- and will help their children with it.

Otis
Neil Brooks - 31 May 2006 05:22 GMT
> It is easy to shoot you mouth off on sci.med.vision -- as
> you are doing.
>
> But let us have a list of your published scientific papers --
> as Dr. Young has done.

Otis,

As we've discussed on COUNTLESS occasions: you're a freaking idiot.

My qualifications have AB-SO-LUTE-LY nothing to do with the validity of
my questions.

They're valid.  You run away from them like a sniveling little coward.

Case closed.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 31 May 2006 06:20 GMT
I know ted grosvenor.  he doesn't know you at all.  i asked him.  and
he does not support your plus lens theory.  he is a research scientist
(retired) and is fully aware that your approach has failed scientific
testing on multiple occasions.  you don't appreciate that myopia
development is much more complicated than you think.

why do you continue to name-drop when you get caught with your pants
down?  i've told you already that ted doesn't know you from adam and
doesn't agree with what you are claiming.

you are a pathetic old fool.  go back to you alternative medicine
forums where people don't care about truth and scientific facts.

you are a liar and a charlatan.

=========

> The concept of plus-prevention is indeed the second-opinion,
> as stated by Dr. Theo Grosvenor.

> Otis
Neil Brooks - 31 May 2006 15:16 GMT
> you are a pathetic old fool.  go back to you alternative medicine
> forums where people don't care about truth and scientific facts.

I literally think that the disciples turned on him over there, too,
having seen how energetically he runs away from valid questions.

I just think he's running out of places to practice his voodoo and is
ardently resisting the notion of a "convalescent care facility."

Sad.
Neil Brooks - 31 May 2006 15:10 GMT
>The real difficulty is in the implementation of the concept.
>
>And that will depend on the parents who understand
>the concept -- and will help their children with it.

Like your niece, Joy?  But ... she's myopic, Otis.  

Quoting from your paramour, Steve Leung's, website:

"I am Otis Brown's niece. Thanks to him, I have been wearing the plus
lenses since fifth grade. I am now 32 and was very happy to pass my
driver's license eye exam once again this July (though because the
vision in my left eye is not so good, I just got a restriction--I must
have a rearview mirror on the left side, which is standard for most
cars, anyway)."

Nice job, Uncle Otie.  Sounds like your little theory was a crashing
failure there.

Or does Joy simply lack the "great personal resolve?"

Schmuck.
CatmanX - 01 Jun 2006 21:49 GMT
Isn't it nice that we can pretend to be others on the internet.

Cletis is now pretending to be Fraqncis Young to prove a point. Pity is
no-one believes you Cletis.

dr grant
otisbrown@pa.net - 01 Jun 2006 22:41 GMT
Well Grant, Francis Young is a good friend -- and he speaks
for himself as I have posted it.

Otis
Neil Brooks - 01 Jun 2006 23:01 GMT
>Well Grant, Francis Young is a good friend -- and he speaks
>for himself as I have posted it.

That doesn't make you any less of an idiot, though.
Mike Tyner - 01 Jun 2006 23:21 GMT
> Well Grant, Francis Young is a good friend -- and he speaks
> for himself as I have posted it.

Perhaps you can get him to tell us where he finds comparisones showing that
minus lenses accellerate myopia in human adolescents.

Perhaps not.

-MT
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 02 Jun 2006 04:30 GMT
is he as good a friend as your old buddy ted grosvenor (who doesn't
know you from adam)?

most intelligent people would run away from you otis.  you are a
fanatic that tries to borrow the credibility of other people's good
names to support your wacko disproven theories.

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> Well Grant, Francis Young is a good friend -- and he speaks
> for himself as I have posted it.
>
> Otis
 
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