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jarrattmark@hotmail.com - 26 May 2006 12:17 GMT
Hi all,

I have created a website dedicated to laser eye surgery.

http://uk.geocities.com/laser_eye_surgery_summary/

Can you take a look at it and make any recommendations regarding
content, layout etc. please?

Thanks.

Mark
odisbrown@pa.net - 26 May 2006 17:01 GMT
Dear Mark,

Subject: your new website

Mark> Can you take a look at it and make any
recommendations regarding content, layout etc. please?

Odis> What is your goal in creating this website?  It looks
as though you may be trying to drive traffic to a page
in order to create revenue from Google Ads.

Odis> Is this correct?

Odis> It may be important to disclose this up front.  As
an "example," I have been trying to get people to
believe that I am simply a caring and compassionate old
man when, in REALITY, I have been trying to sell a
book for $24.95.

Odis> Once this came out, it became much easier for
people both to question my "motives" AND, because I had
NOT BEEN HONEST, to wonder what else I might be
lying about.

Odis> As always, I recommend that people have ALL the
information.  Then, they can make the BEST decision on
their own.  

Odis> Much can be learned about this, AND about kung pao,
at:

    www.chinesefoodformyopes.org

But that is simply the nature of the PREVENTIVE second
opinion as it relates to Asian cuisine.

Best,

Odis
Ingenue
Salmon Egg - 26 May 2006 22:57 GMT
On 5/26/06 4:17 AM, in article
1148642263.134518.116640@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,

> I have created a website dedicated to laser eye surgery.

<snip>

What I would like to know is how wavefront error is measured? I presume that
it is some kind of interferometer or equivalent. I have trouble with the
typical Google search because all of the marketing and hand holding hyp that
makes it very difficult to find specific description of measurement
technique.

Bill
-- Ferme le Bush
Glenn - USAEyes.org - 26 May 2006 23:34 GMT
Try our website's article on wavefront Lasik at http://www.USAEyes.org
and click on | Considerations | Which Surgery For You? | Wavefront |
to see if it provides the balanced information you seek.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
Patient Advocacy Surgeon Certification

"Consider and Choose With Confidence"

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.
Dr. Leukoma - 29 May 2006 04:54 GMT
> On 5/26/06 4:17 AM, in article
> 1148642263.134518.116640@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Bill
> -- Ferme le Bush

There are a number of clear and graphic explanations of aberrometry
showing that it is quite distinct from interferometry.  Search for
presentations by Larry Thibos.

DrG
Salmon Egg - 29 May 2006 06:34 GMT
On 5/28/06 8:54 PM, in article
1148874874.751900.302600@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Dr. Leukoma"
<drg@leukoma.com> wrote:

> There are a number of clear and graphic explanations of aberrometry
> showing that it is quite distinct from interferometry.  Search for
> presentations by Larry Thibos.

I have not heard the term aberrometry used before although it is almost
self-explanatory. To my mind, wave front almost implies interferometry. Very
sensitive optical tests such as the Foucault knife test or Ronchi tests are
often used. With modern computing power, their results can be expressed as
wave front error, they certainly do not measure wave fronts directly.

Bill
-- Ferme le Bush
otisbrown@pa.net - 29 May 2006 04:27 GMT
Dear Mark,

Subject: Content.

Yes, I would suggest you include
the commentary by "Malcontent" on
this sci.med.vision -- as a
balance for those "glowing" reports
on Lasik.

When Lasik is good -- it is
wonderful.

When is fails -- it is a total
disaster.  No one should go into
it until he understands that
he is "rolling the dice".

Just a suggestion for content.

Otis
A Lieberman - 29 May 2006 13:45 GMT
> Dear Mark,

Dear Mark,

Please disregard Otis's postings.  He is not in the medical profession and
not in any position to give medical advice.

Thank you!

Allen
otisbrown@pa.net - 29 May 2006 14:06 GMT
Yes, Allen, and the woman who had her vision destroyed
with lasik, "...is not in a position to give any advice
about the risks of Lasik".

Otis
Neil Brooks - 29 May 2006 17:40 GMT
> Yes, Allen, and the woman who had her vision destroyed
> with lasik, "...is not in a position to give any advice
> about the risks of Lasik".

Actually, he/she's not, Uncle Otie.

What he/she IS in a position to do is to recount a personal anecdote.
Critical thinkers who do their own INDEPENDENT research can put that
decision in the larger context of realistic and adequate sample sizes
to better understand the risks, the risk factors, and ways to minimize
those risks.

This is just ONE MORE example of your fundamentally flawed
understanding of science, logic, and statistics.

I still chuckle every time you say that those who enter college WILL
shift myopic by something like 1.3 diopters based on an AVERAGE of
students.  You have NO understanding of concepts like range, variance,
and standard deviation, so ... as always ... you prey on people who
don't either.

You are, indeed, a sick, old man....
Mike Tyner - 29 May 2006 19:56 GMT
> Yes, Allen, and the woman who had her vision destroyed
> with lasik, "...is not in a position to give any advice
> about the risks of Lasik".

You think your vision was destroyed by minus lenses. It was not.

The fact that you argue "stairstep" myopia in the face of all these
professionals telling you otherwise indicates firmly embedded biases and
probably some personal conflict unrelated to myopia. It's just a shame that
you feel compelled to share them with the public.

-MT
 
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