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rwj81@yahoo.com - 26 Apr 2006 23:34 GMT
I also found a site offering good frames and lenses for $39 here
http://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-1889199-8351206 . Coupon code- 1889
Salmon Egg - 27 Apr 2006 02:12 GMT
On 4/26/06 3:34 PM, in article
1146090885.009825.258950@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "rwj81@yahoo.com"

> I also found a site offering good frames and lenses for $39 here
> http://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-1889199-8351206 . Coupon code- 1889

By the time you get a real pair of glasses as opposed to an unrealistic
bogey pair, the price does not look all that low.

Bill
-- Ferme le Bush
Robert Kopp - 27 Apr 2006 08:21 GMT
> On 4/26/06 3:34 PM, in article
> 1146090885.009825.258950@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "rwj81@yahoo.com"
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> By the time you get a real pair of glasses as opposed to an unrealistic
> bogey pair, the price does not look all that low.

Well, for one thing, that would be single vision. Most people on this
list, if they are concerned about medical eye problems, are probably over
40. I am.

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CatmanX - 27 Apr 2006 11:58 GMT
I can sell you a left lens for $39.00.

dr grant
William Stacy - 28 Apr 2006 15:05 GMT
> I can sell you a left lens for $39.00.
>
> dr grant

I recieved a pair of lenses for a patient yesterday and the lab invoice
was $229.

My wholsale cost on the frame was $120.

What do you think I should charge the patient?

w.stacy, o.d.

(trivex photochromatic progressives with super AR in a Silhouette
rimless...)
Scott Seidman - 28 Apr 2006 15:16 GMT
William Stacy <wstacy@obase.net> wrote in news:%ip4g.70625$H71.6671
@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:

>> I can sell you a left lens for $39.00.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> (trivex photochromatic progressives with super AR in a Silhouette
> rimless...)

Fair is fair, Bill.  If you're going to post this, what's the lab invoice
for your cheapest single correction lens, as opposed to some proprietary
progressive?

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William Stacy - 28 Apr 2006 15:58 GMT
> William Stacy <wstacy@obase.net> wrote in news:%ip4g.70625$H71.6671
> @newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> for your cheapest single correction lens, as opposed to some proprietary
> progressive?

I charge $100 for the lenses, and my lowest frame on display is priced
at $128.  I have others in trays for under 90.  I will discount both
because I accept about 50% of my prices on many insurances.  I should
have mentioned my rent is over 3000 per month, and I pay employees.
Again, what should I charge the patient for glasses that cost me 340?
Dick Adams - 28 Apr 2006 17:43 GMT
> I charge $100 for the lenses, and my lowest frame on display is priced
> at $128.  I have others in trays for under 90.  I will discount both
> because I accept about 50% of my prices on many insurances.  I should
> have mentioned my rent is over 3000 per month, and I pay employees.
> Again, what should I charge the patient for glasses that cost me 340?

Since IOL implanting, I am 1.0D myopic bilaterally, with some of that as
astigmatism.  I see quite sharply from my fingertips at arms' length, and across
the room to TV, etc.  Can drive legally without eyeglasses, but prefer
mildly minus eyeglasses for night driving.  (I consider myself quite lucky
as I needed over -5D  plus -1.5D cylinder over my natural eyes).

Walgreens +1.25 readers work well for me now, but add+2.0 Zennis on my
script are slightly more comfortable on the long term.

For me, tripane or progressive lenses would have an almost plano center.
Before implantation, I preferred single vision glasses for each occasion,
as I could never get used to even bifocals (or they could not be made right?).  

No eye doctor yet (I have seen three since implantation) mentioned the
possibility of single-vision glasses for close, and for distance.  One
irreverent lady-tech suggest to try Walgreens readers.  I have a very
nifty pair of rimless reading glasses which cost less than $31 postpaid
from Zenni -- they are slim and slide down my nose in a useful way.
I am about to order a pair of Zenni's convertible sunglasses for driving
(night and day).

So, my question would be:  would the Doctor advise the patient of less
expensive possibilities before signing him up for a pair of $400 eyeglasses?

I have another burning question, too:  How many recipients of implants
come out with their eyes so well adjusted for good eyeglassless midvision?
I expect I am quite lucky to have had the surgeon I happened to find, who
seemed to know how and where and how much to use the blade.  The
optician who works with him is probably not so lucky -- well he won't be if
all the patients come out with the kind of vision I have, and if they find out
about Zenni.

--
Dicky
Dan Abel - 28 Apr 2006 22:24 GMT
> > I charge $100 for the lenses, and my lowest frame on display is priced
> > at $128.  I have others in trays for under 90.  I will discount both
> > because I accept about 50% of my prices on many insurances.

I've heard this story too many times.  How much does it cost?  Oh,
US$100.  But I can get it for US$50 at XYZ.  OK, it's US$50.  My HMO
just charges US$50 up front.

>  I should
> > have mentioned my rent is over 3000 per month, and I pay employees.
> > Again, what should I charge the patient for glasses that cost me 340?

Zero.  Just have the insurance pay for them.


> For me, tripane or progressive lenses would have an almost plano center.
> Before implantation, I preferred single vision glasses for each occasion,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> No eye doctor yet (I have seen three since implantation) mentioned the
> possibility of single-vision glasses for close, and for distance.

> So, my question would be:  would the Doctor advise the patient of less
> expensive possibilities before signing him up for a pair of $400 eyeglasses?

The eye doctor will recommend what works best for most people.  I've
talked to a bunch of people, and read posts on this group.  I also have
a wife.  I think you have one of those also?

They all want a pair of glasses that they can slap on and leave on.  You
and I are probably the only people in the whole world who prefer to swap
glasses.  It just worked great for me.  I was happy.

> I have another burning question, too:  How many recipients of implants
> come out with their eyes so well adjusted for good eyeglassless midvision?

I'm glad that you are happy with that.  Others on this group like this
also.  I made the choice to get corrected for distance.  It's worked
well for me.

> I expect I am quite lucky to have had the surgeon I happened to find, who
> seemed to know how and where and how much to use the blade.

I was very happy that my surgeon actually talked to me.  I made the
decision, but we talked about it at length.  Others on this group have
complained about surgeons who made the decision without talking to their
patient.  I suspect that they realized that the patients didn't have a
sufficient understanding to make a decision.

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Dick Adams - 28 Apr 2006 23:20 GMT
> The eye doctor will recommend what works best for most people.  

For most people, a very simple pair of eyeglasses work best.  But people
are encouraged to desire more complex and expensive solutions.

> I've talked to a bunch of people, and read posts on this group.  I also
> have a wife.  I think you have one of those also?

My wife would not be seen dead in anything cheap and/or unfashionable.
She relies heavily on her eye guy as a fashion consultant.

> They all want a pair of glasses that they can slap on and leave on.  

Not really.  She has a reading pair, a computer pair, an outdoor pair,
a driving pair, and some other pairs which, for some reason, she does
not use much anymore.

> I was very happy that my surgeon actually talked to me.  I made the
> decision, but we talked about it at length.  Others on this group have
> complained about surgeons who made the decision without talking to their
> patient.  

My particular surgeon is known locally to be gruff and extremely
uncommunicative.  There was no opportunity for me to discuss my
preferences.  I would have chosen distance over midrange, but the
IOL fitter mentioned there was a 0.5D disparity between the results
of alternative algorithms for the selection of their optical power, so I
assumed a midrange value would be chosen to avoid the hyperopic
possibility.  I was very apprehensive going into surgery, and, after the
second surgery, to find out that the second eye was very closely
parfocal with the first.

My guess is that there are some uncertainties in selecting the IOLs,
and that I was very lucky to get the outcome I did.  But it very well
may be due to the skill of the surgeon.  I have come across several
people who, with IOLs, still need eyeglasses for everything, probably
usually due to residual astigmatism.

> I suspect that they realized that the patients didn't have a sufficient
> understanding to make a decision.

There is another thing, deeper than that.  Professional people can get
very upset with nonprofessional people who presume that they can
use the professional words and/or can understand their problem to any
degree.

--
Dicky
Dan Abel - 29 Apr 2006 02:08 GMT
> > The eye doctor will recommend what works best for most people.  
>
> For most people, a very simple pair of eyeglasses work best.  But people
> are encouraged to desire more complex and expensive solutions.

So where do you get off telling people what works best?  


> > I've talked to a bunch of people, and read posts on this group.  I also
> > have a wife.  I think you have one of those also?
>
> My wife would not be seen dead in anything cheap and/or unfashionable.
> She relies heavily on her eye guy as a fashion consultant.

I guess you don't.  My wife wouldn't be caught dead in anything
expensive or fashionable.

> > They all want a pair of glasses that they can slap on and leave on.  
>
> Not really.  She has a reading pair, a computer pair, an outdoor pair,
> a driving pair, and some other pairs which, for some reason, she does
> not use much anymore.

I guess you don't.  My wife has one pair, and one pair only.

> > I was very happy that my surgeon actually talked to me.  I made the
> > decision, but we talked about it at length.  Others on this group have
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> My particular surgeon is known locally to be gruff and extremely
> uncommunicative.

I really liked my first surgeon.  Though, he was r e a l l y r e a l l y
s l o w.  It was almost painful, but I figured that he was taking good
care of me.

>  There was no opportunity for me to discuss my
> preferences.

There's something wrong here, seriously wrong.

>  I would have chosen distance over midrange, but the
> IOL fitter mentioned there was a 0.5D disparity between the results
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> second surgery, to find out that the second eye was very closely
> parfocal with the first.

I think that this is part of what people here are talking about.  
Everything turned out great, but if it hadn't, I might have regretted my
decision.

> My guess is that there are some uncertainties in selecting the IOLs,
> and that I was very lucky to get the outcome I did.  But it very well
> may be due to the skill of the surgeon.  I have come across several
> people who, with IOLs, still need eyeglasses for everything, probably
> usually due to residual astigmatism.

Well, if they didn't try to correct the astigmatism, it shouldn't be
surprising that it was still there.


> > I suspect that they realized that the patients didn't have a sufficient
> > understanding to make a decision.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> use the professional words and/or can understand their problem to any
> degree.

That is certainly true.  Look at the response to your use of
"professional" words on this group.  It caused a lot of upset, I think
mostly due to the fact that you had no clue what the words meant.

I don't pretend to a lot of knowledge about vision stuff.  I do try to
understand enough about my own issues.

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Dick Adams - 29 Apr 2006 14:52 GMT
> > For most people, a very simple pair of eyeglasses work best.  But people
> > are encouraged to desire more complex and expensive solutions.

> So where do you get off telling people what works best?  

S'pose I should have added IMHO, and qualified not to include people
who do not need eyeglasses.

Consider the perfectly-working golfing glasses described in
<news:larrybic-521E90.20520528042006@news.verizon.net>:

Do you suppose that the golfer might not have done as well with
simple add ~1 bifocals for the putts?  I wonder if that possibility
was discussed.

Not everybody can learn to use progressive lenses - it takes a bit
of savvy and coordination to learn how to move the head to bring
certain items into focus.  When one is trying to concentrate on things
that are whizzing around, like balls, if grows even more difficult.

> Look at the response to your use of  "professional" words on this
> group.  It caused a lot of upset, I think  mostly due to the fact that
> you had no clue what the words meant.

Doubtful if you have any clue about what you are allegedly referring
to.  I am an advocate for expanding acronyms and replacing jargon
with descriptive phrases.  Some jargon items have very imprecise
referents.  Asking for qualification and definition of terms does get
me into trouble with professional people every now and then.

> I don't pretend to a lot of knowledge about vision stuff.  I do try to
> understand enough about my own issues.

You are a delightfully humble individual.  I wish you success to figure
out what is going on with you.

--
Dicky
Dan Abel - 29 Apr 2006 17:56 GMT
> > > For most people, a very simple pair of eyeglasses work best.  But people
> > > are encouraged to desire more complex and expensive solutions.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> S'pose I should have added IMHO, and qualified not to include people
> who do not need eyeglasses.

The correct acronym here is "IMNSHO".

:-)

> Not everybody can learn to use progressive lenses - it takes a bit
> of savvy and coordination to learn how to move the head to bring
> certain items into focus.  When one is trying to concentrate on things
> that are whizzing around, like balls, if grows even more difficult.

I couldn't even manage simple bifocals, although I'm convinced that part
of the problem was that they were 1/2" thick.

> > Look at the response to your use of  "professional" words on this
> > group.  It caused a lot of upset, I think  mostly due to the fact that
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> referents.  Asking for qualification and definition of terms does get
> me into trouble with professional people every now and then.

It is a prime responsibility of professional folks to define terms and
concepts (IMNSHO).  As a former professional, these acronyms and jargon
are wonderful ways to communicate between professionals.

> > I don't pretend to a lot of knowledge about vision stuff.  I do try to
> > understand enough about my own issues.
>
> You are a delightfully humble individual.  I wish you success to figure
> out what is going on with you.

Thanks.  Things are going well now as far as vision issues, and seem
stable.

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Scott Seidman - 28 Apr 2006 22:42 GMT
>> William Stacy <wstacy@obase.net> wrote in news:%ip4g.70625$H71.6671
>> @newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> have mentioned my rent is over 3000 per month, and I pay employees.
> Again, what should I charge the patient for glasses that cost me 340?

You left out the invoice prices!  I can understand why, and don't
begrudge the professional secrets.  A reasonable markup on an invoice
price probably couldn't viably sustain a practice.  Customers need to
understand that they're not only buying the frames, but renting the
expertise necessary to get them happily fitted.

For the $340 setup, I'd imaging you'd charge between $510 and $680, but
it does raise some interesting questions.  Forgive my ignorance if I ask
them.

Let's say that there's a certain amount of time, labor, tools, know-how,
etc, that all bubble down to something approximating the somewhat fixed
expenses of running an practice.  Now, let's assume that your practice
clears an amount above and beyond the invoice for materials on each pair
of low-cost single correction vanilla spectacles sold.  Let's say, for
argument's sake, that this number is $100.  Further, let's assume that
the optical shop is a cash business, and there's no nasty insurance
compensation issues to deal with.  So, push comes to shove, you're
selling a pair of glasses for $100 over invoice.

Now, most optical shops maintain an inventory of frames.  Keeping an
inventory of expensive frames is obviously more expensive than
maintaining an inventory of inexpensive frames, so I can see a markup
above and beyond the $100 above invoice for the cheap glasss.  

Enter progressives.  This is a luxury item, and folks expect to pay more.  
Certainly, the base cost of the lenses is more, but from the optical
shops point of view, other than the increased cost of the lenses, what
are the additional costs for the optical shop that merit an increased
markup?  Are they harder to fit?  How much harder?  Is there a
certification or training process? Is there a problem finding opticians
qualified to dispense?  

Is there a higher loss because of quality control or customer
satisfaction that the distibutor won't eat?  I assume these lenses are
not routinely inventoried, so the added costs of that doesn't do
anything.

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LarryDoc - 29 Apr 2006 04:51 GMT
I'm going to try to demystify this one:

> Enter progressives.  This is a luxury item, and folks expect to pay more.  
> Certainly, the base cost of the lenses is more, but from the optical
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> certification or training process? Is there a problem finding opticians
> qualified to dispense?  

Progressives are not necessarily "a luxury item." For some folks,
they're the best optical option.  The base cost of the lens is indeed
significantly more than single vision or standard bifocals, and rightly
so.  Considerable design work and manufacturing/tooling is required for
each design, and some are distinctly better for certain purposed than
others.

For instance the "custom designed" PAL I dispensed to a golfer today. I
chose a manufacturer/design that provides outstanding distance acuity
across the entire width of the lens, a high-set intermediate zone with a
fairly narrow corridor and wide near zone with the power set to provide
clarity on the tee, not for reading fine print at 14 inches. Combine
that with a mid-dark amber tint on the top fading to nearly clear at the
bottom.

To make this happen, the frame had to pre-adjusted to the proper
location on his face. The "sweet spots" marked in color ink on the demo
lenses on the frame as worn on the face. I had to consult spec sheets
for different lens designs and consult with the lab to find out what
they had available. The order was written, packaged and sent to the lab.  
When it arrive finished, the lens powers and power positions were
verified by instrumentation. The patient was called to come and get
them. When the patient arrived to pick up his new specs, they had to be
re-adjusted on his face so that the sweet spots were in he proper
position.

They worked. Perfectly.

AFAIK, every PAL fit is custom and that fitting and design stuff, for
any spectacle user is part of the deal.

Use your judgement to determine that there should be proper compensation
for the time and labor involved in making these new eyeglasses happen.  
And what is it worth to the person to have custom designed perfectly
functional eyeglasses that are a pleasure to use?

> Is there a higher loss because of quality control or customer
> satisfaction that the distibutor won't eat?  I assume these lenses are
> not routinely inventoried, so the added costs of that doesn't do
> anything.

Built in to the material cost of the lenses from the lab is a warranty
that allows the dispenser to have a second set of lenses made if the
first do not work to the satisfaction of the end users. Personally, my
"re-do" rate is insignificant but the lab has to make a buck, too, as
does the manufacturer.

Sometimes, you get what you pay for.

--LB, O.D.
Dr. Leukoma - 29 Apr 2006 16:08 GMT
Yeh, sure, but what about Costco?

DrG
Dan Abel - 29 Apr 2006 19:46 GMT
> I'm going to try to demystify this one:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Progressives are not necessarily "a luxury item." For some folks,
> they're the best optical option.

Thanks.  This was very informative.


> Sometimes, you get what you pay for.

And sometimes you don't.  

I have really mixed feelings.  Vision is probably the #1 sense for
humans, making it really important.  I have no problem paying a bunch of
money.  Having said that, I buy my glasses off the shelf at Costco, for
US$18.99 for three pairs.

We paid a lot of money for my wife's progressives.  That's what she
likes and wants.  Over the three years that she has had them, the cost
is negligible.  She shows no signs of wanting new ones, so the cost per
day will keep dropping.

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Scott Seidman - 01 May 2006 13:15 GMT
LarryDoc <larrybic@yahoo.remove.com> wrote in news:larrybic-
521E90.20520528042006@news.verizon.net:

> Sometimes, you get what you pay for.
>
> --LB, O.D.

Thanks for clearing this up.  Looks like I was asking the right questions.

I have no trouble paying a fair price, and I see the sillyness and
hypocricy involved in gladly paying $150 for a fancy pair of sneakers, and
then moaning about the cost of prescription eyewear.

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Dr. Leukoma - 29 Apr 2006 16:12 GMT
Let's face it, we're being held to the standards created by Walmart.

DrG
Salmon Egg - 28 Apr 2006 21:56 GMT
On 4/28/06 7:05 AM, in article
%ip4g.70625$H71.6671@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, "William Stacy"
<wstacy@obase.net> wrote:

>> I can sell you a left lens for $39.00.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> (trivex photochromatic progressives with super AR in a Silhouette
> rimless...)

What is so special about the lenses that your cost ($229) is that high? If I
were to get a pair of lenses from one of those cheap guys, what would I lose
out on?

To me, not in the optometric field, it strikes me that getting
ophthalmologic lens blanks from B&L or whoever makes them these days and
edging them for $39 is not unreasonable. Hype that raises the price may be.

Although I no longer use single vision lenses I would be happy to do without
photochromaticity or progressiveness, and all the other cosmetic stuff. I
would like to get good anti-reflective coagtings, but I have not been able
to find anyone who still applies hot coatings to glass. I do without.

Bill
-- Ferme le Bush
Dr. Leukoma - 29 Apr 2006 16:07 GMT
> On 4/28/06 7:05 AM, in article
> %ip4g.70625$H71.6671@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, "William Stacy"
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> Bill
> -- Ferme le Bush

One of the best new lens materials today is Trivex -- thin and light
with high impact resistance and good Abbe value.  Lens blanks are not
available to me, yet.

Also, the coatings available for resin lenses today are incredibly
durable, and are guaranteed for the life of the prescription in many
cases.

You cannot even touch this technology for $39.

DrG
Wooly - 27 Apr 2006 14:52 GMT
>Well, for one thing, that would be single vision. Most people on this
>list, if they are concerned about medical eye problems, are probably over
>40. I am.

Why is one's age important?  The only "medical eye problem" I have as
a not-quite-40something is high myopia  plus astigmatism, both of
which are quite correctible with single-vision lenses.  

+++++++++++++

Reply to the list as I do not publish an email address to USENET.
This practice has cut my spam by more than 95%.  
Of course, I did have to abandon a perfectly good email account...
Rev Jessie James - 03 May 2006 05:49 GMT
Well over 40 here..   Can still focus fine at 6" or ( 5280 ft. thanks to lasik ).  I think that it it is a gross generalization that everyone over 40 has accommodation problems and needs bifocals..  

I know several people that didn't need bifocals or reading glasses their 70s.  My mom didn't need reading glasses until she was close to 80. BTW she is still driving at 90!  

Hopefully the age at one becomes farsighted is based on genetics!

 On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:12:40 +0000, Salmon Egg wrote:

 > On 4/26/06 3:34 PM, in article
 > 1146090885.009825.258950@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "rwj81@yahoo.com"
 > <rwj81@yahoo.com> wrote:
 >
 >> I also found a site offering good frames and lenses for $39 here
 >> http://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-1889199-8351206 . Coupon code- 1889
 >>
 > By the time you get a real pair of glasses as opposed to an unrealistic
 > bogey pair, the price does not look all that low.
 >
 Well, for one thing, that would be single vision. Most people on this
 list, if they are concerned about medical eye problems, are probably over
 40. I am.

 --
 Robert T. Kopp
 http://analytic.tripod.com/
Dan Abel - 03 May 2006 06:40 GMT
> Well over 40 here..   Can still focus fine at 6" or ( 5280 ft. thanks to
> lasik ).  I think that it it is a gross generalization that everyone over 40
> has accommodation problems and needs bifocals..  

Yup, a gross generalization.  That doesn't mean it isn't true, though.  
There are certainly exceptions.

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Dr. Leukoma - 03 May 2006 12:21 GMT
> Well over 40 here..   Can still focus fine at 6" or ( 5280 ft. thanks to lasik ).  I think that it it is a gross generalization that everyone over 40 has accommodation problems and needs bifocals..
>
> I know several people that didn't need bifocals or reading glasses their 70s.  My mom didn't need reading glasses until she was close to 80. BTW she is still driving at 90!
>
> Hopefully the age at one becomes farsighted is based on genetics!

It is based on genetics...of homo sapiens.  The laws of physics and
physiological optics are immutable.

Presbyopia i-n-v-a-r-i-a-b-l-y occurs in one's fourth decade.  At this
time, the only variables would be the individual's refractive error.
If they are nearsighted in the right amount, they can read without
reading glasses, but they cannot see far.  The other variable is pupil
size.  Very small pinpoint pupils bypass the optics of the eye to a
great extent, and create a large depth of focus.  This is relatively
uncommon, though, and those who want to see near and far clearly will
need a multifocal lens.

DrG
Dan Abel - 03 May 2006 18:44 GMT
> uncommon, though, and those who want to see near and far clearly will
> need a multifocal lens.

That's funny.  I don't have one.

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Dick Adams - 27 Apr 2006 14:43 GMT
> On 4/26/06 3:34 PM, in article
> 1146090885.009825.258950@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "rwj81@yahoo.com"
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> By the time you get a real pair of glasses as opposed to an unrealistic
> bogey pair, the price does not look all that low.

The production cost of eyeglasses is quite lower that one may presume,
especially in Asia, to which we are efficiently connected by globalization.
Most of the actual cost of eyeglasses is gimmickry and salesmanship, not
to mention the high cost of labor in the western world, and the pecuniary
needs of executives and stockholders.

There is no reason to assume that low-priced eyeglasses from the Web
are bogey (bogus?).  (Bogie was a good guy.)  I do not know about the
$39 kind, but like the $29 kind quite well.  No doubt, some cheap quotes
are come-ons for more expensive elaborations.  See my rules below.
--
Dicky

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1.  Nothing but the best
2.  The cheapest is always the best.
otisbrown@pa.net - 27 Apr 2006 18:12 GMT
Here is a site for $19 glasses.

http://zennioptical.com/cart/home.php

Just type in the information requested.

Otis
Salmon Egg - 27 Apr 2006 21:29 GMT
On 4/27/06 10:12 AM, in article
1146157953.042055.38560@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "otisbrown@pa.net"

> Here is a site for $19 glasses.
>
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>
> Otis

Unfortunately, it appears that the quoted site is using an old 110 baud
internet connection or maybe even slower.

Bill
-- Ferme le Bush
Orki - 28 Apr 2006 03:21 GMT
I found Zenni Optical on the net a few weeks ago.  Yesterday I ordered
some computer glasses from them.  $16 pays for the frames, lenses,
scratch resistance and UV protection.  I spent another $4.90 for anit
reflective coating.  I also decided that day to get some distance
glasses from the their usual $19 collection, which comes with
everything the $16 glasses came with and I did spend the extra $4.90
for the AR coating.  The way I figure it, I rather be disaapoionted
wearing $21/$24 glasses instead of the $394 I had spent at lenses
crafters for a single pair(glad I got my money back on those).
otisbrown@pa.net - 28 Apr 2006 03:43 GMT
Dear Orki,

I would think that $24 would beat $394 glasses -- with the
SAME refractive properties.

It pays to shop around -- on the "net".

Otis
Neil Brooks - 28 Apr 2006 18:40 GMT
> Dear Orki,
>
> I would think

If only....
Charles - 29 Apr 2006 17:52 GMT
> I found Zenni Optical on the net a few weeks ago.  Yesterday I ordered
> some computer glasses from them.  $16 pays for the frames, lenses,
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> wearing $21/$24 glasses instead of the $394 I had spent at lenses
> crafters for a single pair(glad I got my money back on those).

I got the cheapest possible lenses from my eye doc and it was $120 for
single vision, in my frames, with no coatings of any kind.  The glare
is unbelievable and they appear cheaply made because there are
"splinters" on the rimless edges.  I really don't like wearing them.

I ordered from optical4less.com and got new frames with UV,AR,and
scratch coat for around $40.  The optics are great and the frames are
nice.  There's really no comparison.  These glasses would be $300+
locally.

There is risk in it because you don't really know how they are going to
look from pic online, but I could buy almost 10 pairs for the price I'd
pay locally.  I feel a little guilty, because I'm not sure if the exams
are priced low in the expectation of a glasses purchase?  The savings
is just too much to pass up though.

FWIW, I bought from Zenni once and the frames were pretty cheap. O4L is
much better.  Zenni delivered quickly though.
 
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