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bad eyesight and driving in CA

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Steven - 26 Apr 2006 19:57 GMT
Does anyone know how bad your eyesignt can be and still drive in Cali?
I have a medical stop on my drivers license, and have been on the phone
endlessly to see what this actually means. I know I need to get some
vision form in, but the first eye doc I saw said my vision wasn't good
enough to drive (something like 20/140) because of a botched cataract
surgery and no lense implants. I have been on the phone endlessly to
find out if I am still ok to drive, some girl I spoke with today said
no, then another one said I was ok until renewall time. any ideas??

BTW the san francisco driver safety office has been less than helpful
about this. kimberly said it was ok to drive, but sabrina said
otherwise. I am just trying to figure out who is right. I guess until I
get turned in I am ok
Quick - 26 Apr 2006 20:55 GMT
> Does anyone know how bad your eyesignt can be and still
> drive in Cali? I have a medical stop on my drivers
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> figure out who is right. I guess until I get turned in I
> am ok

20/140?  You might be ok, but what about the person
you run over?

-Quick
y_p_w - 26 Apr 2006 21:28 GMT
> Does anyone know how bad your eyesignt can be and still drive in Cali?
> I have a medical stop on my drivers license, and have been on the phone
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> otherwise. I am just trying to figure out who is right. I guess until I
> get turned in I am ok

If your vision is correctable to 20/40, then you're OK.

<http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm#VISION>

** **

Vision exam requirement

A 20/40 visual acuity with or without glasses is the
department's vision guideline. Customers applying for
a Class A, B, or commercial C license must see 20/40
with both eyes and each eye individually. The departmental
authority for administering the vision exam is
12804.9 (a) (1) (E) of the California Vehicle Code.

Visual acuity measurements are obtained for both eyes
together and for each eye separately while both eyes
remain open, as in normal driving. There are two methods
of testing, a Snellen chart or Optec 1000 Vision Tester.

The Snellen chart contains five lines of letters and
measures the portion of an applicant's general seeing
ability, known as visual acuity or keenness of vision.
The Optec 1000 Vision Tester obtains a more precise
vision score by providing a test situation, which is
equivalent to placing the applicant at one end of a
room 26 feet long to read a test target at the opposite
end of the room.

Applicants who do not pass either exams may, depending
on the circumstances, be referred to a vision specialist.
The vision specialist may prescribe eye glasses or a
stronger prescription for the current eye glasses worn.
Dan Abel - 26 Apr 2006 21:55 GMT
> Does anyone know how bad your eyesignt can be and still drive in Cali?

Arnold says:

"You need good vision to drive safely."

Also, to obtain a driver's license you:

"Pass an eye exam.  Any person with a best corrected vision of 20/200 or
worse in the better eye cannot be issued a driver license..."

It's very complicated, and changes every week (not really, it just seems
that way).

You have to prove that you can see well enough to drive.  This is a
multi-step process.  If you pass the initial vision screening, then you
are done.  If not, there's the visit to the eye doctor, who has to sign
a DMV form saying that you can see well enough to drive, and then
there's the driving test, where you actually prove that you can drive.

My wife and I have both been through this.

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dabel@sonic.net
Petaluma, California, USA

Dr. Tom - 26 Apr 2006 22:03 GMT
Your minimum driving vision for CA is 20/40 in one eye with your best
corrected vision (i.e. glasses, contacts).  Also, you may have 20/20 but if
your vidsual field is less than 20 degrees (tunnel vision as in from glaucoma)
, that eye is considered leaglly blind.

You can go to DMV's website and pull up the vision form that your eye doctor
needs to fill out.  Generally, they will accept his vision findings, but I
have heard that in certain instances, when there is a change like this, they
may want you to take a road test to see how well handle a car with impairment.

Dr. Tom
>Does anyone know how bad your eyesignt can be and still drive in Cali?
>I have a medical stop on my drivers license, and have been on the phone
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>otherwise. I am just trying to figure out who is right. I guess until I
>get turned in I am ok
Steven - 26 Apr 2006 22:14 GMT
my visual field is limited because of my thick bubble spex. the only
part of the lense I can see through is the little bubble part in the
middle, which gives me maybe 20-30 degrees, hopefully enough not to be
legally blind. I can make up for this by turning my head frequently. I
have tried to get regular lenses but cant.
Dr. Tom - 26 Apr 2006 22:37 GMT
Your best bet is to have your doctor fill out the DMV form.  Your  lenticular
(bubble) lenses should have plenty of visuall field t work with.  However,
they ma require the drivers test because of the difference in magnification
from something faitrly to high plus.  Good Luck.

Dr. Tom

>my visual field is limited because of my thick bubble spex. the only
>part of the lense I can see through is the little bubble part in the
>middle, which gives me maybe 20-30 degrees, hopefully enough not to be
>legally blind. I can make up for this by turning my head frequently. I
>have tried to get regular lenses but cant.
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 27 Apr 2006 01:17 GMT
That thick bubble is a lenticular design. Since you had cateract
surgury, you are now aphakic and a high hyperope. Sorry,
20/140(probably 20/160 as theres no 20/140 line) isnt good enough to
safely drive.
y_p_w - 27 Apr 2006 04:02 GMT
> my visual field is limited because of my thick bubble spex. the only
> part of the lense I can see through is the little bubble part in the
> middle, which gives me maybe 20-30 degrees, hopefully enough not to be
> legally blind. I can make up for this by turning my head frequently. I
> have tried to get regular lenses but cant.

Some states have a field of vision requirement and/or
daytime restrictions.  I found the following:

Wisconsin - 70 degrees.
Oregon - 110 degrees.

<http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/drivers/apply/vision.htm>
<http://www.odot.state.or.us/forms/dmv/24.pdf>

Here's a macular degeneration support group summary on
various state driving requirements:

<http://www.mdsupport.org/library/drivingregs.html>

Seriously though - it probably isn't good idea to drive
with only an available 30 degree field of vision.
Steven - 27 Apr 2006 15:13 GMT
> > my visual field is limited because of my thick bubble spex. the only
> > part of the lense I can see through is the little bubble part in the
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> Seriously though - it probably isn't good idea to drive
> with only an available 30 degree field of vision.

the loss of side vision is one of the worst parts when driving. busy
streets are a nightmare, and forget about trying to cross a busy
intersection and look both ways! my neck is sore from trying to look
around enough. unfortunately my eye doc says there is nothing to do
about this
Gloria - 29 Apr 2006 17:38 GMT
20/140 w/ less than 30 degrees of peripheral vision, and you still
drive!!?? As a cyclist who was nearly hit by someone like you who was
as blind as a bat, I find this really really scary! Maybe someone
should give your friends Kimberly and Sabrina at the driver safety
office in San Francisco a call to let them know.

Please!! this is crazy to be evening thinking of driving with your
vision!!
Steven - 01 May 2006 21:45 GMT
> 20/140 w/ less than 30 degrees of peripheral vision, and you still
> drive!!?? As a cyclist who was nearly hit by someone like you who was
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> Please!! this is crazy to be evening thinking of driving with your
> vision!!

Gloria, I can see ok with a bit of caution. in any case i am alowed to
drive until 2008, when my license is due for renewall. no need to call
the driver safety office, please.
Neil Brooks - 01 May 2006 23:28 GMT
>> 20/140 w/ less than 30 degrees of peripheral vision, and you still
>> drive!!?? As a cyclist who was nearly hit by someone like you who was
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>drive until 2008, when my license is due for renewall. no need to call
>the driver safety office, please.

I've been thinking a pretty fair amount about this ... and am tending
to side with Gloria here.  As it happens, I'm a cyclist, too.

At some point--horribly difficult and inconvenient though it may
be--you have to look at a standard other than whether you are "legally
qualified" to drive.

From what you're saying, you may well create a hazard and--as fate
tends to have it--that hazard will inure to the detriment of other
people.

Is that moral?  Is that ethical?  Is that fair??

Or is it a really awful form of selfishness....

Do you REALLY have to drive, or could you adapt your life in some
other way (yes: it may require sacrifices and alterations) so that you
could avail yourself of public transit, or other ... and maybe NOT
KILL somebody else?

Are you eligible--based on a visual impairment--for subsidized, or
free transportation through any social services organization??

If it were me ... and you hit me while I was riding my bike ... and it
was determined that it was your fault, and attributable even in part
to your vision ... I'm not sure how charitable I'd be.

Food for thought....
Gloria - 01 May 2006 23:44 GMT
I think we scared Steven off. We can only hope that someone at the DMV
catches this.
 
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