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barn - 03 Apr 2006 03:26 GMT
Greetings,
I suffer from optic atrophy in one eye. I always have headaches, nausea
and dissiness. I use phosphorus iodine in order to shrink my one pupil.
I dont see black out of my one eye. I see everything as a washed out
paint job. Therefore I have 2 seperate visions battling for dominance.
What can I use to block out the signals my bad eye sees
Thanks in Advance
Barney
Dr. Leukoma - 03 Apr 2006 04:11 GMT
Phosphorus iodine?  You just mean phospholine iodide.

It seems that rather than shrink the pupil, you would want to
completely blur out the vision or else occlude the pupil entirely.

DrG
barn - 03 Apr 2006 04:25 GMT
Yes you are right. It is phospholine iodide. How would I go about to
completely block the blurred vision from my bad eye? It seems my bad
eye is pushing itself in the way of the good eye
Dan Abel - 03 Apr 2006 05:40 GMT
> Yes you are right. It is phospholine iodide. How would I go about to
> completely block the blurred vision from my bad eye? It seems my bad
> eye is pushing itself in the way of the good eye

The other thing is the brain will eventually learn how to suppress the
image from the bad eye.  I had a great disparity in vision between my
two eyes, and my glasses caused me to see double.  After a couple of
years, I was able to see fine with my glasses, since my brain just used
the image from one eye.  Since I wore contacts (which didn't cause me to
see double) seven days a week, fourteen hours a day, I only wore these
glasses for a short time each day.

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dabel@sonic.net
Petaluma, California, USA

acemanvx@yahoo.com - 03 Apr 2006 06:19 GMT
"The other thing is the brain will eventually learn how to suppress the

image from the bad eye."

then youll become legally blind in the bad eye due to amblyombia. It is
essental to patch the good eye and exercise the bad eye so it gets
stronger instead of wasting away into legal blindness!
Dan Abel - 03 Apr 2006 07:49 GMT
> "The other thing is the brain will eventually learn how to suppress the
>
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> essental to patch the good eye and exercise the bad eye so it gets
> stronger instead of wasting away into legal blindness!

You are just a regular font of misinformation, Ace.  Amblyopia (which my
wife has, and she is blind in one eye), is when the brain never learns
to see out of one eye.  After a certain age, it is considered nearly
impossible for the brain to learn.  However, like riding a bicycle, once
you learn, you never forget.

And patching only works if the vision is correctable.  If the OP had
correctable vision, don't you think he would choose to correct it rather
than block it?

As I posted (and you snipped), back when I learned to block the vision
out of one eye, I was wearing contacts 7 days a week and 14 hours a day.  
The contacts gave me good vision, it was only the glasses that made me
see double.  I put the contacts in every morning almost first thing (got
a cup of coffee first).  In the evening, I wanted to take out the
contacts before I got too sleepy, so I wore glasses for about the last
hour or two of each day.

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dabel@sonic.net
Petaluma, California, USA

p.clarkii@gmail.com - 03 Apr 2006 12:25 GMT
exactly WRONG again.  why do you insist on posting about topics that
you don't understand?  go to your hero otis' forum at yahoo i-see and
talk to the folks there that are just like you -- full of
misinformation
Mike Tyner - 03 Apr 2006 15:40 GMT
> then youll become legally blind in the bad eye due to amblyombia. It is
> essental to patch the good eye and exercise the bad eye so it gets
> stronger instead of wasting away into legal blindness!

Do adults acquire amblyopia that way?

-MT
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 03 Apr 2006 20:08 GMT
What is Amblyopia?
Amblyopia is commonly known as lazy eye and is where the vision is
reduced in one of the eyes because the amblyopic eye and the brain are
not working together properly. The eye itself looks normal, but it is
not being used properly as the brain is favoring the other eye. In both
cases, one eye becomes stronger, suppressing the image of the other
eye. In a minority of cases this may result in a reduction of vision in
both eyes. It is estimated that three percent of children under six
have some form of amblyopia.

With early diagnosis and treatment, the sight in the amblyopic eye can
be restored, however if this condition persists, the weaker eye may
becomes useless.

Treatments for Amblyopia
Amblyopia cannot be correced by glasses or contact lenses and is not
due to any eye disease.

If not detected and treated early in life, amblyopia can cause a
permanent loss of vision with associated loss of stereopsis (two eyed
depth perception). Detection and correction before the age of two
offers the best chance for restoration of normal vision. However,
treatment can improve this condition even in adulthood

Amblyopia can be treated fairly successfully between the ages of 2 and
6, but the success decreases with age. The best results from treatment
occurs between ages 6 mos. to 2 years.

Treatment is usually simple, employing glasses, drops, exercises and/or
patching. Though true amblyopia can not be cured (after the age of 6)
treatment for the older child is usually successful in improving vision
and should be attempted. Treatment of amblyopia after the age of 6 is
not dependent upon age but requires more effort including vision
therapy. Every amblyopic patient deserves an attempt at treatment.

It should be remembered, that amblyopia causes more visual loss in the
under 40 group than all the injuries, and diseases combined in this age
group.
Dan Abel - 03 Apr 2006 21:44 GMT
> What is Amblyopia?

[snipped a bunch]

> Treatments for Amblyopia
> Amblyopia cannot be correced by glasses or contact lenses and is not
> due to any eye disease.

[snipped a bunch more]

What's your point, Ace?  That you know how to copy and paste without
giving attribution to where you stole it from?  It's considered polite
to name your sources.

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Dan Abel
dabel@sonic.net
Petaluma, California, USA

acemanvx@yahoo.com - 03 Apr 2006 23:33 GMT
www.google.com do a search there! Tons of sources to teach you about
amblyopia and treating it!
Mike Tyner - 04 Apr 2006 00:09 GMT
> www.google.com do a search there! Tons of sources to teach
> you about amblyopia and treating it!

Where do you find information about adults developing amblyopia ex anopsia?

-MT
barn - 04 Apr 2006 12:01 GMT
Greetings,
Thank you for your time and thoughts. I have had this condition for 15
years. I have tried the frosted glasses, the patch and the opaque black
lense. Nothing has worked. It seems my bad eye pushes its vision in
front of the good eye. I am one of the few that couldnt adjust. So I
spend most of my time in low light situations. The more light there is
the faster the eye strain headaches and motion sickness arrive.  Im
looking for some type of medication that will slowly stop the light
from entering my right ( bad ) eye . Any Ideas? The iodide works by
allowing me more time before the symptoms start.
Dr. Leukoma - 04 Apr 2006 13:44 GMT
I'm sorry, but I don't recall you giving us the reason for your optic
atrophy.  Are you saying that you do not have glaucoma, you do not have
accommodative esotropia, and that your physician is using PI soley as a
miotic agent?

DrG
Dan Abel - 04 Apr 2006 16:55 GMT
> Greetings,
> Thank you for your time and thoughts. I have had this condition for 15
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> from entering my right ( bad ) eye . Any Ideas? The iodide works by
> allowing me more time before the symptoms start.

Sorry to hear about your problem.

Sometimes vision comes from inside the eye, and not outside.  Is it
possible that you have this problem?  

The black patch has always worked great for me.  After my first retinal
detachment, I was on dilation drops for a week.  In addition, after
surgery for both detachments (about ten years apart), the operated eye
was sensitive to light (hurt) and I used a black patch outside.  I also
patched with a white cotton eye patch when my eyes were healing, both
after the detachments and after cataract surgery (both eyes, about five
years apart).  In every case, the patch worked great for me in blocking
the vision.

Perhaps a white cotton patch (they sell these with the bandages at drug
stores, and they are specifically for eyes) tucked inside a black patch,
would work?  The white patch will be right up against your eye, forcing
you to keep the eye closed.  Between your eyelid and the black patch,
there should be almost no light reaching your eye, even in bright
sunlight.

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dabel@sonic.net
Petaluma, California, USA

barn - 05 Apr 2006 07:58 GMT
My optic atrophy was caused by a combination of kerosene and a tolulene
based chemical, used with a air pressure gun to clean a printing press.
It started as optic nueritis and within a couple of  days atrophied.
Barn
Mike Tyner - 04 Apr 2006 00:05 GMT
> With early diagnosis and treatment, the sight in the amblyopic eye can
> be restored, however if this condition persists, the weaker eye may
> becomes useless.

So, where do you find adults developing amblyopia?

You didn't say.

-MT
Dr. Leukoma - 03 Apr 2006 13:29 GMT
First of all, phospholine iodide is only available by prescription.  It
is used for the treatment of accommodative esotropia and glaucoma.  Is
your optic atrophy due to glaucoma?

A number of people have offered suggestions, all, some, or none of
which may be satisfactory.  The occluder patch is the easiest to try,
if you don't mind looking like a pirate.  The contact lens with
occlusive pupil is a custom job, and will be a bit expensive.  You
probably want to explore these options with your optometrist.

DrG
Dan Abel - 03 Apr 2006 04:30 GMT
> Greetings,
> I suffer from optic atrophy in one eye. I always have headaches, nausea
> and dissiness. I use phosphorus iodine in order to shrink my one pupil.
> I dont see black out of my one eye. I see everything as a washed out
> paint job. Therefore I have 2 seperate visions battling for dominance.
> What can I use to block out the signals my bad eye sees

A black eye patch works well and is very cheap.  You can get one at any
drugstore in the US.

If you wear glasses, you can ask your optician for advice.  I don't know
if they frost them or what.  In the short term, you can just put tape on
the lens.

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Dan Abel
dabel@sonic.net
Petaluma, California, USA

Dom - 03 Apr 2006 11:30 GMT
> Greetings,
> I suffer from optic atrophy in one eye. I always have headaches, nausea
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Thanks in Advance
> Barney

You could ask for the lens in your glasses to be 'frosted' but this has
cosmetic disadvantages.

Or you could get a contact lens with an opaque black 'pupil'.

Or, if you can learn to get used to the difference in vision between the
two eyes, this would be the best solution long term.

Dom
 
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