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Medical Forum / General / Vision / April 2006a new thread to reply to Neil Brooks
In article <v3et22lh3rud2i42lrev21skigkvm9pabl@4ax.com>, Neil Brooks <neil0502_SPAMTRAP_@yahoo.com> wrote: > And, at this point, you seem to be yet another s.m.v. self-important > a$$hole driven to relegate this newsgroup to the status of "Ace, RT, > and Otis Chat Room," rather than a useful forum where people seek, and > receive, the help of caring, passionate, and knowledgeable doctors who > participate in this forum for nothing but altruistic reasons. > > Thanks. Thanks much. Neil, I know you like a good argument as much as the next guy since you've emailed me off list trying to raise my ire (which didn't work remember--because we actually agreed). you don't like my posts, put me in your kill file. Dr. G appears to be a good optometrist--he's offered me some good advice when I've asked and I am grateful for that. I can't question that since I'm not an eye care professional-- REPEAT: I appreciate the advice Dr. G has given me when I've asked. It was extremely helpful. but his reply to Ace was anything but altruistic. He was basically saying he wouldn't give the time of day to Ace and btw, no one else should either. Oh, and while I have your attention, let me post a few of the things I've accomplished as a "charitable agency" including my upcoming award... Why did he reply to my suggestion to Ace to find ways to afford orthoK except to say Ace doesn't deserve anything and to show that he's so charitable--not in one message, but 3! Dr. G agrees that everyone operates with self interest. this generally trumps the altruism except for a small minority. This self-interest/bias discussion goes back years between us, btw. I hope (and think) he knows that it's not personal. But when one is a professional and a charitable agency, appearances are important. I was calling him on it. that's why he asked me what my problem was. Btw it's funny you think of smv as the Ace RT and Otis chat room. I think of it as the Neil, Dan, and Mike show. I posted 30 messages in March, you posted 126, Dan 296 and Mike 80. I highly doubt that my postings discourage any "real" discussion taking place here. I assume that most people don't even read them. since you brought up the subject of what gets posted here and why people participate, are your legal threats against Otis altruistic? do you truly believe that everyone besides yourself is so stupid that they can't make up their own minds about the crap he posts? why are you wasting the government's time and money with frivolous lawsuits? Money better spent on education and health programs IMHO. why do you put $$ in a$$hole. you think I have a financial interest in anything that goes on here? wish i did. i sure could use some extra cash :)  Signature~RT > Neil Brooks <neil0502_SPAMTRAP_@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > you don't like my posts, put me in your kill file. Not necessarily the best answer. If you take the tack most likely to drive off yet another doctor, then I don't plan to sit idly by. > Dr. G appears to be a good optometrist--he's offered me some good advice > when I've asked and I am grateful for that. I can't question that since [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the things I've accomplished as a "charitable agency" including my > upcoming award... Your read. My read was that Ace might be an exceptionally difficult patient. Problem here: the Aces and Otises of s.m.v. only talk. They don't listen. If Ace had listened to Dr. G's comments and taken them to heart, he might have improved his chances with a doc. > Btw it's funny you think of smv as the Ace RT and Otis chat room. I > think of it as the Neil, Dan, and Mike show. I posted 30 messages in > March, you posted 126, Dan 296 and Mike 80. I highly doubt that my > postings discourage any "real" discussion taking place here. I assume > that most people don't even read them. Quality, not quantity. Believe what you wish. I've watched the trend of this ng over 6+ years. > since you brought up the subject of what gets posted here and why people > participate, are your legal threats against Otis altruistic? do you > truly believe that everyone besides yourself is so stupid that they > can't make up their own minds about the crap he posts? why are you > wasting the government's time and money with frivolous lawsuits? Money > better spent on education and health programs IMHO. Care for some cream cheese with your red herring? > Not necessarily the best answer. If you take the tack most likely to > drive off yet another doctor, then I don't plan to sit idly by. I can understand that. My intent is not to drive anybody anywhere. I'd rather pay for the carpool and get driven around :) > Your read. My read was that Ace might be an exceptionally difficult > patient. Problem here: the Aces and Otises of s.m.v. only talk. They > don't listen. If Ace had listened to Dr. G's comments and taken them > to heart, he might have improved his chances with a doc. It's true, he hasn't "heard" anything anyone has said. That's why I think it is so important for him to go for an evaluation with a real live person f2f. Did you know that Ace is almost completely deaf? Literally. But his deafness is psychological as well. I felt that Dr. G's post was unnecessarily discouraging. Ace needs real life experience, and if he can't afford it, there are ways to find support. My suggestions weren't facetious. Well maybe the "friends" part was. > Quality, not quantity. Believe what you wish. I've watched the trend > of this ng over 6+ years. Do you mean quality like these? http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.vision/msg/b02d7181ff482de3?dmode= source http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.vision/msg/12b1fca08beddd49 http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.vision/msg/8c60b9efec388e33?dmode= source > Care for some cream cheese with your red herring? Would you like mustard with yours while you don't address my legitimate questions? Signature~RT Come on, RT. Neil's interpretation of my post was the correct one. OK is a long, time-intensive process, with a significant downside for Dr. Maller if it doesn't meet Ace's expectations. If Ace NEEDED orthokeratology, that would be another matter. He just wants it, but then he wants it on his own unrealistic terms. I think that you are putting Dr. Maller in a really untenable situation. I've read Ace's posts all over the net. One day he is wanting an Intacs workup from Dr. Trattler, and the next day he is wanting an OK workup from Dr. Maller. Do you really believe that Dr. Maller should step into such a bog? I'm just saying that I wouldn't. I run into the same risks when I post on LME and other BB's dedicated to refractive surgery, because at any time a similar situation can arise with respect to one of my patients on the internet where many of them are actively posting and reading. It is a very tenuous tight rope to walk. And, while you are accusing me of unkind remarks toward Ace, they are nothing compared to the things you have said to and about him. Do you want me to dredge them up? You have a tendency to be very meanspirited, and I would ask you to search your conscience for a good reason to be here, other than to badger Ace, me, and now Neil. > Do you really believe that Dr. Maller should step into such a > bog? I'm just saying that I wouldn't. I would not wish Ace on anyone. SignatureCharles > Do you really believe that Dr. Maller should step into such a > bog? I don't know. I don't have an opinion on that and I wouldn't advise him one way or the other. But I really believe that it won't hurt Ace to ask. >I'm just saying that I wouldn't. You've made that clear. But that wasn't really the topic of the thread, was it? That was my point I guess what's missing here is that I assume that Maller would declare Ace an unsuitable candidate and then that would be the end of the Ace fantasies of OrthoK. Ace has said that he would take whatever Maller says as the ultimate word on this discussion. > And, while you are accusing me of unkind remarks toward Ace, they are > nothing compared to the things you have said to and about him. Do you > want me to dredge them up? You have a tendency to be very > meanspirited, and I would ask you to search your conscience for a good > reason to be here, other than to badger Ace, me, and now Neil. It is true that I badger Ace. I don't know why. I don't post such messages to anyone else. A lot of people badger Ace. I suppose I would really like him to taste a little reality. But he's really remarkable in his consistency, I'll give him that. Speaking of reality, 've never posted anything about you or to you on this NG unless you have replied to one of my posts. Now when was that? Earlier today if I recall correctly. You replied to my suggestion TO Ace that he find financial help by raising money or asking for a pro bono consult. Today I posted to Neil in direct response to something he posted to me. I'd hardly call that badgering. Would you call your response to my post badgering me? If that's the case, then quit badgering me, okay? LOL Signature~RT > Ace has said that he would take whatever Maller > says as the ultimate word on this discussion. gasp... cough... You said that with a straight face? -Quick OK, enough said. I wasn't trying to badger you and you weren't trying to badger me. Tomaito, tomawto, let's call the whole thing off. Besides, I'm still waiting to find out your true identity....author, U.N. activist... DrG I'm a potahto eater... I like U.N. activist. I think that would suit me well :) > Btw it's funny you think of smv as the Ace RT and Otis chat room. I > think of it as the Neil, Dan, and Mike show. I posted 30 messages in > March, you posted 126, Dan 296 and Mike 80. You know, I think my name is "Dan". I wondered why I had all that pain on the ends of my fingers. I figured it was the needle sticks from my blood sugar testing, but it must have been my posts. I didn't check Google, but my newserver shows 36 posts in March from you since March 3. It shows 63 for me. Google shows 65 for me for March (I must have had a couple of posts on the first or second). SignatureDan Abel dabel@sonic.net Petaluma, California, USA You're right, my apologies. The 296 includes all the messages you posted on all google groups in February including those on rec.food.cooking and rec.nude. Sorry for attibuting all 296 to sci.med.vision. My bad. Whoops. I meant March not February. Don't want to be the cause of any further misinformation. |
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