Medical Forum / General / Vision / March 2006
Superior Epithelial Arcuate Lesions
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Neil Brooks - 24 Mar 2006 19:58 GMT Ugh.
Third try at fitting intra-limbal lenses at SCCO yesterday. First pair, inexplicably, lacked cyl (I'm -1.75 and -2.00).
Second pair had cyl but were, inexplicably, about 2d over-plussed.
Yesterday's pair had *almost* enough cyl, but were at least a diopter over-plussed ... and hurt like he**.
As they looked at fit w/fluorescein, the doc saw SEAL OU. Grade 3+
Conventional wisdom seems to say stay out of CLs for a couple of days, then fit a different brand/type/material of CL (working on it).
My eyes are infinitely better with CLs than with glasses. With glasses, I'm fairly well trapped inside (b/c of the severity of dry eye)....
I'm using drops (Systane and Soothe) and putting in Lacriserts during the day. Anything else I can do to speed healing?
Got some Lotemax and some Flarex in ye olde cupboard, if anybody thinks either is a good idea.
TIA,
Neil Still a high-hyperope after all these years of near work. Sigh. STAIRCASE MYOPIA: WHERE ARE YOU!?!
Scott Seidman - 24 Mar 2006 20:08 GMT > Ugh. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Got some Lotemax and some Flarex in ye olde cupboard, if anybody > thinks either is a good idea. Have you considered using a simple plus lens? That'll fix ya right up!
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Neil Brooks - 24 Mar 2006 20:29 GMT >> Ugh. >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Have you considered using a simple plus lens? That'll fix ya right up! My gut tells me that the chimerical "threshold" is long gone for me....
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 25 Mar 2006 00:04 GMT whats that guy doing with surgury? Hes had three surguries and damaged his eyes and still has a refractive error and needs glasses! Ironic and sad
Neil Brooks - 25 Mar 2006 01:05 GMT >whats that guy doing with surgury? Hes had three surguries and damaged >his eyes and still has a refractive error and needs glasses! Ironic and >sad Care to explain yourself there, Ace?
Dr. Leukoma - 26 Mar 2006 15:27 GMT Getting contacts at a school of optometry is like getting dentures at a school of dentistry or a haircut at a barber school. Good luck!
Of course, paving the cornea over with a large piece of plastic will keep the moisture in. My only concern with using an intralimbal lens in this situation is that the entire lens must be supported by the pre-corneal tear film. You might enquire about using a soft bandage lens underneath the intralimbal, in which case the intralimbal will need to be modified to fit the soft lens.
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Neil Brooks - 26 Mar 2006 17:23 GMT > Getting contacts at a school of optometry is like getting dentures at a > school of dentistry or a haircut at a barber school. Good luck! Well ... there go my next two questions ;-)
Actually, you're quite right. I think their faculty is outstanding. I wrote on Thursday that I need the faculty to take over my case. They can parade my peepers in front of any body they want to, but ... on the last two visits ... it was all student, and I feel I made zero progress. It's also 190 miles round trip :-(
> Of course, paving the cornea over with a large piece of plastic will > keep the moisture in. My only concern with using an intralimbal lens > in this situation is that the entire lens must be supported by the > pre-corneal tear film. You might enquire about using a soft bandage > lens underneath the intralimbal, in which case the intralimbal will > need to be modified to fit the soft lens. Interesting. I will inquire about this.
All things being equal, what CL would you recommend for a high plus, moderate astigmatism dry eye patient??
Thanks much.
Dr. Leukoma - 26 Mar 2006 18:56 GMT Probably a scleral with cylinder ground into the front of the lens. The scleral portion of the lens will prevent it from rotating, unlike the intralimbal which needs to rotate freely if it has a front cylinder prism ballast correction. Or, wear the astigmatic correction in spectacles over the contact lens.
DrG
Neil Brooks - 27 Mar 2006 17:34 GMT >As they looked at fit w/fluorescein, the doc saw SEAL OU. Grade 3+ > >Conventional wisdom seems to say stay out of CLs for a couple of days, >then fit a different brand/type/material of CL (working on it). Follow up....
Had the CLs out since Wednesday. Used drops, Lacriserts, and warm compresses to treat the SEAL.
Tried the CLs last evening to have dinner with friends. Bad, bad move. Fairly ok for first 20-30 minutes (enough time to get to dinner), but ... awful after that. Could barely keep eyes open. Hurt like he**.
Shouldn't 3 1/2 days be enough to clear SEAL ... if that's what it is? Also, when I drove up to SCCO on Wednesday, I had been wearing the CLs like usual ... no problem. Does it make sense--if the Dx of SEAL was right--that an intra-limbal GP lens, of app. 11.2mm dia, could/would cause further damage to the same region that SEAL affects??
I'm really impaired without access to my contacts. Trying to decide whether to give a shout out to my usual (UC San Diego's Shiley Eye) clinic to see if they can evaluate me.
Any advice??
TIA,
Neil
Dr. Leukoma - 28 Mar 2006 06:36 GMT > >As they looked at fit w/fluorescein, the doc saw SEAL OU. Grade 3+ > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Any advice?? Er, Neil, I think that SEAL is typically induced by contact lens wear. In view of the discomfort, I would think that you need to have the contact lens fit re-evaluated.
DrG
Neil Brooks - 28 Mar 2006 18:03 GMT >> >As they looked at fit w/fluorescein, the doc saw SEAL OU. Grade 3+ >> > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >In view of the discomfort, I would think that you need to have the >contact lens fit re-evaluated. I didn't phrase my question very well. Let's see if I can do a bit better this time....
I wear CooperVision Hydrasoft DW lenses normally (nearly every day; nearly all day). As you know, I have chronic eye pain and dry eye.
It's my understanding that SEAL *is* induced by soft contact lens wear. It's also my understanding that many people who have it are asymptomatic until evaluated with fluorescein and ye olde slit lamppe. So there I went ... up to SCCO to be fit for the intra-limbals, thinking all was well. I've inserted a total of three pair into my eyes on two different occasions, wearing none of these pair for more than ten minutes and experiencing severe pain on each occasion.
On the first occasion, the intern looked at my corneas after I removed the GP and told me that he saw SPKs at that point that he did not see pre-insertion. He told me to baby my eyes for a bit. I'm presuming that he neither looked for, nor saw, the SEAL.
Second visit -- last Wednesday. Presumably, I arrived with SEAL, though--again--nobody saw it prior to insertion of the GPs. The GPs, again, hurt a great deal. The doc put in the fluorescein--his goal: to check fit--and identified the SEAL at that point.
What I'm wondering is this: I came away from each of these appointments in signifcantly worse shape/pain than I arrived in. It surely seems possible that I had SEALs all along from ill-fitting/long wear of my SCLs, but ... I didn't seem to notice it. It seems like the mere trial of the GPs brought it on.
My question is: assuming the SEAL was there all along, does it make sense that the intra-limbal lens--big and hard and sharp-edged as it is--at 11.2mm dia--would have rested on, and further damaged, the superior epithelium with just a couple of insertion, trial, and removal maneuvers? I'm picturing the plastic lens scraping over this raw area of epithelium that my SOFT CLs had made relative peace with.
I'll be calling my regular docs in San Diego this a.m., to see if anybody can look at my corneas today, but ... I'm certainly confused ... and certainly saddened by this event.
If it IS the soft CLs ... and if they DID cause this SEAL ... then I'm in a pickle. Can't really try to refit new soft CLs ... OR the intra-limbals ... until the SEAL clears, I presume. That, again, leaves me a relative captive of the indoors until all is better ... which is a really draconian sentence.
TIA,
Neil
Dr. Leukoma - 28 Mar 2006 18:18 GMT As you stated, your SEAL was asymptomatic. SEAL typically repairs itself within a couple of days.
You only felt pain with the RGP's. You FEEL pain, cannot tell what is causing the pain, and yet feel compelled to blame it on the SEAL. I'm not so sure. Seems like someone knowledgeable needs to take a look, or at least do a fluorescein stain.
DrG
Neil Brooks - 28 Mar 2006 18:23 GMT >As you stated, your SEAL was asymptomatic. SEAL typically repairs >itself within a couple of days. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >not so sure. Seems like someone knowledgeable needs to take a look, or >at least do a fluorescein stain. Actually, I tend to agree with you: not so sure that it's SEAL at all. That's just the label that SCCO hung on it, so I've been looking at it from that perspective. It surely looks like SEAL's just a weekend thing....
I'll try to get in to see the local folks asap. Thanks, as always, Doc.
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