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Michael - 16 Mar 2006 20:41 GMT
Am I right in thinking that there are more people who wear glasses now than
ever before?  Why is it - are the  challenges of new technology and office
jobs making it worse or is it just that it's more acceptable now? I hear
stories of people who were wearing glasses in the days of the NHS (in the UK),
those glasses were so famous for being very undesirable. Presumably there
might be fewer people with glasses if that was still the only choice.
Dom - 16 Mar 2006 22:37 GMT
> Am I right in thinking that there are more people who wear glasses now than
> ever before?  Why is it - are the  challenges of new technology and office
> jobs making it worse or is it just that it's more acceptable now? I hear
> stories of people who were wearing glasses in the days of the NHS (in the UK),
> those glasses were so famous for being very undesirable. Presumably there
> might be fewer people with glasses if that was still the only choice.

I don't know what the stats are on the percentage of people who wear
glasses, but there probably are more people wearing glasses, and I'm
sure it's a combination of the two points you made - increased demand
due to computers etc, and higher acceptance of glasses as a fashion
item... also, the ageing of the population and increased awareness of
the need for regular preventative health checks in general has probably
flowed over into eye testing/specs.

Only my opinions rather than research I've read.

Dom
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 17 Mar 2006 03:22 GMT
all the near work people in modern society has caused them to go into a
minus refractive state as children and worsen about half to one diopter
thru the years.
Neil Brooks - 17 Mar 2006 03:25 GMT
acema...@yahoo.com wrote:
> all the near work people in modern society has caused them to go into a
> minus refractive state as children and worsen about half to one diopter
> thru the years.

Interesting.  Would you kindly cite your source for that information?
otisbrown@pa.net - 17 Mar 2006 04:09 GMT
Dear Ace and Michael,

Subject:  The scientific facts on the natural eye's response
to a more-confined visual environment.

Hear are the facts.  You can argue about whether 85 percent
of school childern becomming myopic means that
our eye are getting "worse".

The majority opinion maintains this is all a "myth".

The second-opnion suggests we should seriously
consider doing somthing along preventive lines.

What do you think?

Best,

Otis

====================

          MYOPIA PREVALENCE IS ALWAYS HIGHER THAN 90 PERCENT
                    FOR TAIWAN MEDICAL STUDENTS

Re: Changes in ocular refraction and its components
   among medical students - a 5-year longitudinal study", Optom.
   Vis.  Sci., 73:495-498, 1996) found that in a study of 345
   National Taiwan University medical students, the myopia
   prevalence increased from 92.8% to 95.8%!  over the five year
   period.

                      ******************

1)  In Singapore, the vision of 421,116 males between the ages of
   15 and 25 was examined.  In 1974-84, 26.3% were myopic; in
   1987-91, 43.3% were myopic.  Both the prevalence and severity
   of myopia were higher as the level of education increased.
   The prevalence rate was 15.4% in males with no formal
   education and increased steadily through the education levels
   to reach 65.1% among the university graduates in 1987-91.  The
   authors state that their findings confirm indications from
   other sources that the association between the prevalence and
   severity of myopia and education attainment is real (M.T.
   Tay, K.G.  Au Eong, C.Y.  Ng and M.K.  Lim, "Myopia and
   Educational Attainment in 421,116 Young Singaporean Males,"
   Ann Acad Med Singapore, 1992, Nov;21(6):785-91).

2)  Regarding the prevalence of myopia in Asian countries, Lam and
   Goh (Lam, C.S.  and Goh, W.S., "The incidence of refractive
   errors among schoolchildren in Hong Kong in relationship with
   the optical components", Clin.  Exp.  Optom., 74:97-103, 1991)
   found that in 383 school children from ages 6 to 17 years, the
   prevalence of myopia increased from 30% at ages 6-7 years, to
   70% at ages 16-17 years.

3)  Lam and Yap (Lam, C.S.  and Yap, M.  "Ocular dimensions and
   refraction in Chinese Orientals", Proc.  Int.  Soc.  Eye Res.,
   6:121, 1990) found that in a group of optometry students at
   The Hong Kong Polytechnic University, the prevalence of myopia
   was 75% in females and 69% in males.

4)  Goh and Lam (Goh, W.S.  and Lam, C.S., "Changes in refractive
   trends and optical components of Hong Kong Chinese aged 19-39
   years," Ophthal.  Physiol.  Opt., 14:378-382, 1994) found that
   in 2000 first-year students at the University of Hong Kong,
   the prevalence of myopia was 87.5%.

5)  Lin et al (Lin, L.-K, Chen, C.J., Hung, P.T., and Ko, L.S.,
   "National- wide survey of myopia among schoolchildren in
   Taiwan, Acta Ophthalmol.", 185:29-33, 1988) found that in a
   national survey of children in Taiwan, the prevalence of
   myopia was over 70%.
RM - 17 Mar 2006 04:26 GMT
> Hear are the facts.  You can argue about whether 85 percent
> of school childern becomming myopic means that
> our eye are getting "worse".

I would argue about that "facts".  85% of ASIAN's are myopic.  While about
35% of Caucasians of European descent are myopic.  This relationship holds
true for Asians that live in the US, and for Americans who live in Asia.
The incidence of myopia appears to be related to race.  Hence the most
likely explanation is a genetic influence.  But you would know all about
that if you followed current issues in myopia research.  But you haven't
read anything for the last 25 years.

What would Raphaelson say (WWRS)?
Jack - 17 Mar 2006 06:30 GMT
Here are some theories on this topic, summarized from previous posts in this
group.

Theory 1 - Genetics
This states  myopia was a severe impediment to survival 400 years ago.
Today, it's increasing at epidemic levels around the industrialized world.
Since the commoditization of eyeglasses, myopia no longer disqualifies you
from living long enough to reproduce in the current environment.  Hence,
myopes now can reproduce freely and pass on their tainted myopic prone
genes.

Theory 2 - Environment
Close work increases/accelerates myopia.  This
conincides with studies that link intellegence with myopia (i.e. children
spending more time reading/using computer, etc.  Negative lenses
change focal point so objects in the enviroment require the eye
to focues as though the objects are closer, hence increasing
myopia. This has been proven in animial sudies involving chickens
and apes, but not proven in humans.

Theroy 3 - Both Genetics & Environment
Theory 1 does not contradict theory 2.  Myopic genes are more readily
passed, combine with society that emphasizes education, reading, and
increasing computer use.  Evolution is  providing a base of more myopic
prone gene pools which is exemplified by near work.

Theory 4 - Nothing has changed
Several generations is not long enough of a period of time to change
the physical adaption rate of the eye.  Improved health care in
developing countries has simply increased the reported rate of
myopia.

From what I read in this group for a week and an hour with google, my answer
is 3. Although it seems to be a topic of much debate in this group..

> > Hear are the facts.  You can argue about whether 85 percent
> > of school childern becomming myopic means that
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>
> What would Raphaelson say (WWRS)?
Scott Seidman - 17 Mar 2006 14:30 GMT
> From what I read in this group for a week and an hour with google, my
> answer is 3. Although it seems to be a topic of much debate in this
> group..

No, it's not.  The debate is over whether wearing a minus lens produces
staircase myopia, and whether wearing a plus lens can prevent myopia.  

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CatmanX - 17 Mar 2006 19:37 GMT
Actually Jack it should read:

Theory 1: Genetics

Theory 2: Genetics

Theory 3: Combination of theory 1 & 2

dr grant
otisbrown@pa.net - 18 Mar 2006 05:28 GMT
Dear Jack,

Grant states his majority-opinion theory quite well:

Theory 1: Genetics

Theory 2: Genetics

Theory 3: Combination of theory 1 & 2

Theory 4:  Trust me -- everyone else
is WRONG about the dynamic nature
of the fundamental eye.

dr grant
Neil Brooks - 18 Mar 2006 05:55 GMT
> Theory 4:  Trust me -- everyone else
> is WRONG about the dynamic nature
> of the fundamental eye.

Just so we're clear, Cletis ... is that the right eye or the left.

Thanks.
Quick - 18 Mar 2006 06:07 GMT
>> Theory 4:  Trust me -- everyone else
>> is WRONG about the dynamic nature
>> of the fundamental eye.
>
> Just so we're clear, Cletis ... is that the right eye or
> the left.

No. It's the right eye or the wrong eye.

The part you missed is that he slipped in a fundamental
eye instead of his worn out natural eye.

chicken eye - wrong eye.
monkey eye - wrong eye.
primate eye - wrong eye
fundamental eye - haven't seen one of those up close yet.
right eye - missing.

-Quick
Neil Brooks - 18 Mar 2006 06:13 GMT
>>> Theory 4:  Trust me -- everyone else
>>> is WRONG about the dynamic nature
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>fundamental eye - haven't seen one of those up close yet.
>right eye - missing.

Hm.  I think I get it now.  Left eye, then, would be the musician who
died in a 2002 car crash, no?

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/04/26/obit.lopes/

My favorite "fundamental" TLC song was "Waterfalls."
Quick - 18 Mar 2006 06:07 GMT
>> Theory 4:  Trust me -- everyone else
>> is WRONG about the dynamic nature
>> of the fundamental eye.
>
> Just so we're clear, Cletis ... is that the right eye or
> the left.

No. It's the right eye or the wrong eye.

The part you missed is that he slipped in a fundamental
eye instead of his worn out natural eye.

chicken eye - wrong eye.
monkey eye - wrong eye.
primate eye - wrong eye
fundamental eye - haven't seen one of those up close yet.
right eye - missing.

-Quick
Ann - 19 Mar 2006 22:57 GMT
>Dear Ace and Michael,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>of school childern becomming myopic means that
>our eye are getting "worse".

Not so long ago I worked in schools and I can assure you that 85% of
children do not wear glasses.  The number of under eleven year olds
who wear glasses is very small.  Over that it is larger but still not
huge.

Ann
roger - 20 Mar 2006 06:58 GMT
I agree but there are so many young people with myopia now. The aging
population we'd expect. Is it just that people used to put off wearing full
time and now because they're fashionable young folks are happier to wear them?
Or is there something that means we're going in the same direction as the
asians, in 50 years time will we have the same stats i wonder?

>> Am I right in thinking that there are more people who wear glasses now than
>> ever before?  Why is it - are the  challenges of new technology and office
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>Dom
Dom - 20 Mar 2006 12:35 GMT
> I agree but there are so many young people with myopia now. The aging
> population we'd expect. Is it just that people used to put off wearing full
> time and now because they're fashionable young folks are happier to wear them?

Yes I think that's a part of it.

> Or is there something that means we're going in the same direction as the
> asians, in 50 years time will we have the same stats i wonder?

Not sure who you mean by "we" as distinct from "the asians", but I think
any post-industrial culture that places a high value on education is
heading down the road of increasing myopia prevalence. Think higher
school rentention rates, more pressure to get good grades from a younger
age, more people gaining tertiary qualifications, etc. Different races
do have different genetic predispositions.

Dom
roger - 21 Mar 2006 07:12 GMT
>> I agree but there are so many young people with myopia now. The aging
>> population we'd expect. Is it just that people used to put off wearing full
>> time and now because they're fashionable young folks are happier to wear them?
>
>Yes I think that's a part of it.

Does that mean that there ae more people with poor eyesight - ie myopia - or
just that there are more people wearing them with lower prescriptions? That's
alot different to a myopia explosion.
Dom - 21 Mar 2006 10:24 GMT
>>>I agree but there are so many young people with myopia now. The aging
>>>population we'd expect. Is it just that people used to put off wearing full
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> just that there are more people wearing them with lower prescriptions? That's
> alot different to a myopia explosion.

Probably a little bit of the latter and a lot of the former. There is a
myopia explosion or a little bit more correctly an epidemic in
westernised societies.

Dom
Ann - 19 Mar 2006 22:55 GMT
>Am I right in thinking that there are more people who wear glasses now than
>ever before?  Why is it - are the  challenges of new technology and office
>jobs making it worse or is it just that it's more acceptable now? I hear
>stories of people who were wearing glasses in the days of the NHS (in the UK),
>those glasses were so famous for being very undesirable. Presumably there
>might be fewer people with glasses if that was still the only choice.

LOL.. I loved my NHS glasses.  They came in all sorts of colours and I
went from blue to black and back again.  My sister had pink and clear
I seem to remember.  Now, as an adult, I still wear children's frames
because I'm small and adult frames are too large.  The style is fine
and the price for children's frames is low.  Children still get free
glasses paid for by the NHS so that much has not changed.

Ann
 
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