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2 refractions = 2 measurements. Huh?

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mick - 12 Mar 2006 21:30 GMT
I just received two refractions; the second to confirm the first. To my
surprise, the second picked up astigmatism, where the first didn't; the
basic correction was very close. My question is, what difference in
real world terms would I see by choosing one over the other? Is my
astigmatism too small to be concerned about and too small to put in the
prescription?  I'll post my refractions below. Thanks for your help.

mick

       SPH        CYL        AXIS
#1
OD   -1.50        -2.00       177
OS   -1.50        -1.75       020

#2
OD   -1.50         - - -         - - -
OS   -1.25         - - -         - - -

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Dick Adams - 12 Mar 2006 22:06 GMT
> I just received two refractions; the second to confirm the first. To my
> surprise, the second picked up astigmatism, where the first didn't; the
> basic correction was very close.

Incompetence is not an altogether distant possibility.

You could get some more refractions, delete the outliers, and
average the rest.

You could download an astigmatism test chart.  That could eliminate
the worst of the two possibilities you have before at this time.

--
Dicky
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 12 Mar 2006 22:06 GMT
there is quite a big difference between those refractions.  if you have
the amount of astigmatism that refraction #1 indicates, and you did not
include it in your spectacle or contact lens correction, you vision
would be somewhat blurry.

this magnitude of error is not common.  perhaps prescription #2 was not
written out correctly and accidentally excluded the astigmatism
measurement.
LarryDoc - 12 Mar 2006 22:38 GMT
> I just received two refractions; the second to confirm the first. To my
> surprise, the second picked up astigmatism, where the first didn't; the
> basic correction was very close. My question is, what difference in
> real world terms would I see by choosing one over the other? Is my
> astigmatism too small to be concerned about and too small to put in the
> prescription?  I'll post my refractions below. Thanks for your help.

If both of those rx's are correct as written, one is clearly wrong. That
much astigmatism does not just randomly appear and disappear. Verify
that someone did not merely forget to include the astig in the first rx.

LB, O.D.
otisbrown@pa.net - 13 Mar 2006 01:13 GMT
Dear  mick,

Calculation of spherical equivalent.

       SPH        CYL        AXIS
#1
OD   -1.50        -2.00       177

The spherical equivalent is to take 1/2 the cyl and add it to the sph.

Thus the OD would be -1.5  - 2/2, or -2.5 diopters,
for a 1 diopter error (approximagely.)

Clearly a significant error.

Go get another check.

The astigmatism part was probably omitted
from the second prescription.

I am an engineer, not an optometrist.

Best,

Otis

OS   -1.50        -1.75       020

#2
OD   -1.50         - - -         - - -
OS   -1.25         - - -         - - -
CatmanX - 13 Mar 2006 02:07 GMT
WTF?????

What crap are you talking about Cletis?

Mick, a -2.00 and -1.75 cyl is a pretty reasonable cyl in each eye.
Gibven the sperical component is the same for each refraction, one is
clearly wrong, probably the second (an omission when writing the script
out?). Ring the OD for clarification.

dr grant
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 13 Mar 2006 14:10 GMT
why did you bother to post?  your contribution adds no value
whatsoever.  you like to read your own prose don't you otis.

remember everyone, as otis himself says, he is AN ENGINEER, NOT AN
OPTOMETRIST.  don't take advise from him unless of course you are
interested in building a bridge.
otisbrown@pa.net - 13 Mar 2006 16:12 GMT
Dera PClar,

It is of value to calculate the spherical equivalent
to find out exactly how much these
two prescriptions are "different".

The difference is about 1 diopter -- which
exceeds the "random" error of most
OD measurements.

Best,

Otis
CatmanX - 13 Mar 2006 21:41 GMT
The spherical equivalent is of no value Cletis you moron. The absence
or presence of cyl is the only issue here.

Seeing you are NOT on OD, why are you telling us what is of importance?

dr grant
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 14 Mar 2006 01:49 GMT
it is of NO value to calculate the spherical equivalent.  it is clear
that the prescriptions are different PERIOD.  and how would you know
what is an acceptable or reasonable level of error during a
refraction-- you don't know how to perform one.

are you just proud of yourself because you know how to calculate
spherical equivalent?  are you trying to somehow demonstrate your
knowledge of simple optics so as to impress people like simpleton
nancy/ace?

you add no value to any discussion on this newsgroup.  stick to your
alternative medicine yahoo website where scientific proof is
unimportant.
Quick - 13 Mar 2006 20:01 GMT
> why did you bother to post?  your contribution adds no
> value whatsoever.  you like to read your own prose don't
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> ENGINEER, NOT AN OPTOMETRIST.  don't take advise from him
> unless of course you are interested in building a bridge.

Do you have any reference for that? Please cite showing
that Otis is an engineer.

-Quick
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 14 Mar 2006 01:52 GMT
actually i have no reference.  it is only otis that claims he is an
engineer.  you are right-- perhaps that is so much hot air like
everything else he claims.

hmm:

otis, trash collector
otis, pedophile
otis, psychopath
 
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