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concerned parent - 10 Mar 2006 20:08 GMT
one of the eye doctors we have seen suggested contacts for my child .due to
my 3 year olds high myopia.i woul think this would be hard but he said he has
other kids do it with assistance from parents and it is quit easy. i know
when we had to put eye drops in her eyes the first couple of days were hard
but then it was easy. any comments or experiences? for those of you who have
been following my threads my daughter has been wearing the glasses with no
complaints. it is funny being a -11.00 she can still see when they are off.
the doctor is going to a big convention in chicago next week and is bringing
my daughter's chart  because it is such an unusual case.
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 11 Mar 2006 00:46 GMT
the optometrists here already explained the case about lenticular
myopia. The reason she can see without glasses also has been explained
RT - 11 Mar 2006 01:36 GMT
> the optometrists here already explained the case about lenticular
> myopia. The reason she can see without glasses also has been explained

When has that ever stopped you from commenting? But that wasn't the
question. Why don't you read the post beginning with the subject line.

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RT - 11 Mar 2006 01:35 GMT
> any comments or experiences?

One of my neighbors' son began wearing contacts when he was a toddler
and he still wears them now at age 8. Their example prompted me to see
about contacts for my 9 year old. I found it easy to put them in and out
of his eyes (I was a lens wearer for 24 years) and he learned himself
quickly (but your daughter won't be able to do it herself for several
years). We went to a pediatric contact lens specialist who has patients
as young as infants. They have specially trained assistants to help you
and your child. They were very patient and made us all feel at ease. I
think finding a good pediatric contact lens specialist is important
because they will provide you with strategies to make the experience
easy. BTW, my son is a pro with the lenses but hates getting drops.

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concerned parent - 11 Mar 2006 03:27 GMT
thank you for your reply

>> any comments or experiences?
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>because they will provide you with strategies to make the experience
>easy. BTW, my son is a pro with the lenses but hates getting drops.
CatmanX - 11 Mar 2006 04:02 GMT
You can get her fitted with PureVision or Night and day lenses and
these can be left in for a week or 2. Saves on the daily removal
routine. They are very beneficial and easy to learn.

dr grant
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 11 Mar 2006 13:17 GMT
I would not subject your daughters eyes to the risks of extend wear
contacts. And like I said, we wonder the point of glasses/contacts if
she sees 20/60 with or without?
CatmanX - 11 Mar 2006 13:34 GMT
But you don'yt know anything about it Nancy. EW for kids has been
practiced for 2 decades. It is very safe and effective on the kids. It
also saves the trauma of ripping their eyes open every morning.

Go and learn something and stop being an ignorant fool.

dr grant
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 11 Mar 2006 14:00 GMT
has anyone missed the point shes 20/60 with or without correction?
otisbrown@pa.net - 11 Mar 2006 20:20 GMT
Dear Ace,

Did you miss the commentary about a young
woman who was -5 diopters and went to -8 diopters,
and the statement was that her vision was
"toast" and would just get "toastier"?

But you object that a person with 20/60 gets
a -10.5 diotper lens?

What do you object to that?  Please explain.

Best,

Otis
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 11 Mar 2006 23:51 GMT
i miss the point about why you continue to post in this forum since the
name is sci.med. vision and you don't know anything about those topics.

i miss the point why you would come here when you are literally hated
by everyone here and have even been reported to the state authorities.

you hard-headed dumbass, go away.
otisbrown@pa.net - 12 Mar 2006 00:45 GMT
Dear PClar,

Subject: An open forum.

Sci.med.vision is open to the
public, and people that you
hate, Ace, and many others
are free to post their statements.

If you do not like it -- well
that is the nature of free speech.

I would point out that you
express the majority opinon,
but NOT the second-opinion
on the subject of preventing
a negative refractive state
of the fundmental eye.

See:

www.chinamyopia.org

for details.

Best,

Otis
RM - 12 Mar 2006 16:08 GMT
Yes Otis,  this forum is certainly open to anyone to post.  Learned or
unlearned.  And you are in the latter category.  You continually put your
foot in your mouth and make a total fool of yourself.

There is no "Sceond Opinion" that exists anywhere in the eye care profession
except in the heads of a few total amateurs and idiots like yourself who
don't follow myopia research.  There are no facts whatsoever that back you
your claims, but for whatever reason that doesn't stop you from giving wrong
advise to people.

May the State of Pennsylvania take action against your forthwith!

http://nbeener.com/OTIS_INVESTIGATION.pdf
http://www.nbeener.com/Oda_May_Brown.html?1107470227575

====================

> Dear PClar,
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> Otis
concerned parent - 12 Mar 2006 02:57 GMT
i thought more problems arise with leaving contacts in over night. when i use
to wear contacts i was told not to leave them in. also my daughter will have
to wear lenses for people with high astigmatism. will this make fitting any
harder? and any suggestions on brands?

>You can get her fitted with PureVision or Night and day lenses and
>these can be left in for a week or 2. Saves on the daily removal
>routine. They are very beneficial and easy to learn.
>
>dr grant
CatmanX - 12 Mar 2006 04:35 GMT
You have made no reference to high cyls. You can get purevision torics
also.

The lenses are safe to leave in overnight as they are able to supply
more oxygen to the eye.

I would be seeking an OD who regularly fits children.

dr grant
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 13 Mar 2006 00:58 GMT
"i thought more problems arise with leaving contacts in over night.
when i use
to wear contacts i was told not to leave them in. also my daughter will
have
to wear lenses for people with high astigmatism. will this make fitting
any
harder? and any suggestions on brands?"

If you dont believe me, I invite you to speak to my own optometrist. He
tells people NOT to wear extend wear contacts and NOT to sleep in them.
Do you think contacts will help her when glasses do nothing?
CatmanX - 13 Mar 2006 01:43 GMT
Nancy, noone believes you because you are not only stupid, but you
don't know anything about contact lenses. Your own OD doesn't either as
he would be able to give you OK lenses that you desire so much.

The FDA has approved 3 soft lenses and several RGP materials for EW. I
suppose you OD knows more than the FDA? You probably know more than the
FDA too as you are an expert on OK as well as Lasik.

dr grant
RT - 13 Mar 2006 01:59 GMT
> Your own OD doesn't either as
> he would be able to give you OK lenses that you desire so much.

Whatsup Grant. Ya stupid or something? Ace's OD would never give Ace OK
lenses because he says it's bad to sleep in lenses. Sheesh.

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CatmanX - 13 Mar 2006 02:03 GMT
Oh bugger, that's right. What was I thinking?

grant
CatmanX - 13 Mar 2006 01:50 GMT
There are a few things I would also be looking at.

1) Has your doctor done b-scan ultrasonography to assess for
Lenticonus?

2) Is there any improvement with the -10.5 over no script? If not,
glasses and CL's are really not going to do anything about improving
the vision.

3) If going for contacts, I would be looking at (in order of
preference):
       a) Menicon Z lenses (RGP hyper oxygen material - the best lens
for kids)
       b) Focus Night and Day (not sure how high they go in minus and
cyl corrections)
       c) PureVision (they go to -11.0 and have astigmatic lenses)

email me at drgrant@ozemail.com.au and we can discuss this some more
without the hysterical rants of the twirps like Nancy and Otis.

dr grant
otisbrown@pa.net - 13 Mar 2006 03:05 GMT
Dear Concerned Parent,

Subejct: Please contact dr grant.

You NEED a good second-opinion here.  If your child
is seeing 20/60, then a -10.5 diopter "prescription" is
far in excess of anything that is reasonable.

I would bet that some of these ODs -- if it were
their own grandchild -- would do everything
in their power to avoid the use of a -10.5 diopter
lens on a child that sees 20/60.

Dr. Grant and I have our differences, but you need
his advice -- totally.  And it is "now or never".

Grant>  Is there any improvement with the -10.5 over no script? If not,

glasses and CL's are really not going to do anything about improving
the vision.

Otis>  What bothers me is that the ophthalmologists who
want to prescribe a -10.5 diopter lens -- never
seem to ask that question.

Please see Dr. Grant.

Best,

Otis
concerned parent - 13 Mar 2006 07:29 GMT
from the last doctor at bascom palmer it appears that the dead center of her
eye is the high myopia. but as you go away from the "nucleus" it gets alot
better. the doctor also brought others in and never seen anything like it
before. she does see better with her glasses(about 20/50) and wears them with
no complaints. but when she takes them off she can still see decent. i try to
give her an hour a day without them to relax her eyes. she does not complain
when they are off either. the doctors still think it could be lenticonus but
it is not showing the way it normally does. they did an ultrasound on her and
all he said was the eyes looked fine. i will ask him again when i see him
next week.

>Dear Concerned Parent,
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>Otis
concerned parent - 13 Mar 2006 07:29 GMT
from the last doctor at bascom palmer it appears that the dead center of her
eye is the high myopia. but as you go away from the "nucleus" it gets alot
better. the doctor also brought others in and never seen anything like it
before. she does see better with her glasses(about 20/50) and wears them with
no complaints. but when she takes them off she can still see decent. i try to
give her an hour a day without them to relax her eyes. she does not complain
when they are off either. the doctors still think it could be lenticonus but
it is not showing the way it normally does. they did an ultrasound on her and
all he said was the eyes looked fine. i will ask him again when i see him
next week.

>Dear Concerned Parent,
>
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>
>Otis
concerned parent - 13 Mar 2006 07:30 GMT
i will email you, thank you.

>There are a few things I would also be looking at.
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>
>dr grant
 
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