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Medical Forum / General / Vision / February 2006Question about my eyes?
Hi I went to the eye doctor about 3 years ago and was told that I didn't need glasses. But that I would when I was about 40 or so for reading. I now have been to 3 doctors saying I need glasses. Which I think is wrong. I see about the same with or with out them on. The RX is -2.75 and I am 21. If I wear them all day and take them off I see bad for a little while. But then wake up and see much better. So my question is if I wear them and I dont really need them will it make my eyes worse? Also if I wear them and dont need them will it make me need reading glasses at an earlier age? I have read that people who try to induce myopia need them sooner. I have been wearing them off and on for about a year now and my eye still see the same with them or with out them. I can read the 20/60 line on a good day out side with lots of light. Could this just be good accommodation? And if it is how long will this last me being 21? I figer I will either need them or not be able to see in them at one point or another. Sorry of all the questions. Just seems weird and I would like to see what others think. Thanks Sorry for double post.. If a mod and delete one. thanks looks like you have pseudomyopia or tonic accomodation. You do NOT want glasses, it will make things worse. Do vision improvement exercises. I did those and went from a -5 to a -4 and still improving. > Hi I went to the eye doctor about 3 years ago and was told that I > didn't need glasses. But that I would when I was about 40 or so for [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Thanks I'd recommend a cycloplegic exam (refraction). At 20/60 uncorrected (as you state "outdoors and on a good day"- what is it on a bad day??) you likely have some myopia that needs correction. Just because 3 yrs ago you were emmetropic or lightly myopic does not mean you could not become myopic. You answered your own question btw; you stated that you have been wearing your glasses for a year now and your vision has not changed, so no, the prescription will not cause your eyes to become worse. frank On a bad day its around 20/200, its seems to jump around. I think it depends on what kinda day I have had. Also 20/200 is with indoor lighting. So I still have one person saying it will make things worse. And one saying it wont. I know i have answered my own question about it for now. Just wondering how things will change. Anyone else have any thoughts? Thanks again. Oh yeah if it is "tonic accomodation" how long will this last? Thankls > On a bad day its around 20/200, its seems to jump around. I think it > depends on what kinda day I have had. Also 20/200 is with indoor [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > saying it wont. I know i have answered my own question about it for > now. Just wondering how things will change. I guess you have to weigh who is responding (an optometrist with over 20 yrs of experience versus a teenager (Aceguy) and a fanatic (Otis guy) with a very closed mind. frank Thanks Frank. Didn't relize who everyone was one here. Aside from cycloplegic exam is there anything else you could recommed for me? I mean would be best for me to wear glasses or not to? I suppose long term if it gets worse I won't have to much of a choice. But what should I be doing now, might be a better question? THanks Use a weak pair of plus glasses for reading. Hold the book just far enough so its a tiny bit blurry then focus over and over. Wear glasses as little as possible, but do wear them to drive and perhaps for watching movies. Natural vision improvement works, I went from -5 to -4. I can give you tips and get you under -2 :) > Use a weak pair of plus glasses for reading. Hold the book just far > enough so its a tiny bit blurry then focus over and over. Wear glasses > as little as possible, but do wear them to drive and perhaps for > watching movies. Natural vision improvement works, I went from -5 to > -4. I can give you tips and get you under -2 :) Some myopia is anatomical, and some is functional. Most myopes have some amount of both, in combination. Functional myopia decreases with age. Anatomical does not. -MT Listen to Ace and your name will become ranDUMB. If you get 20/200, you would be around -2.00. I would want to do retinoscopy, which I find more accurate than cycloplegia (semantics, but I want to know how your accommodative system works, there is none with cycloplegia). I would want to look at accommodation, how your system functions at near, vergences and stressed testing. Thge myopia sure seems to be there, but I would be wanting to establish the mechanism and create a treatment plan for you. Cheers,\\dr grant If 20/200 is around -2.00 and I wear a -2.75. Is that extra -.75 going to induce any more myopia? I read somewhere that myopia can't be induced whatever you have you will have reguardless of if you are over prescribed. That it could bring it on faster but it something that would of happen anyways. Is this true. Sorry for all the little questions, this is the first time I have gotten to really take to anyone about it. Thanks again. > If 20/200 is around -2.00 and I wear a -2.75. Is that extra -.75 going > to induce any more myopia? I read somewhere that myopia can't be > induced whatever you have you will have reguardless of if you are over > prescribed. That it could bring it on faster but it something that > would of happen anyways. Is this true. Nobody has ever demonstrated such an accelerating effect in adult humans. -MT Just finished with another example of this. The patient came in wearing -4.50. The new refraction is -4.00. Using the logic of Otis, this proves that wearing a stronger minus lens can reduce myopia. DrG > Just finished with another example of this. The patient came in > wearing -4.50. The new refraction is -4.00. Using the logic of Otis, > this proves that wearing a stronger minus lens can reduce myopia. > > DrG Here, too! Pt wearing -6.75. New refraction - 6.00. Absolute proof that using more minus than needed can reduce myopia. And what of the hyperopes? Those folks keep going "up" as they age. "Staircase hyperopia"? LB, O.D. Thats great! So its possible that my eyes will get better being over corrected a little? if so how does that happen? This is dangerous misinformation. Myopia improves during old age where the lens stiffens, shrinks and becomes flatter. The cornea may also bulge less or flatten a bit. They were not overcorrected initially but when their old age hyperopia took over, their glasses became too strong. sorry but -1 is NOT 20/100, -2 is NOT 20/200, -3 is NOT 20/300. Some people use this rough approximation but its not accurate except for a narrow range like -6 to -8. If someone is -1 he would be typically 20/40 but some can be 20/30 or 20/25 depending on their BCVA. -2 is usually 20/100 or better. My friend is -2 and sees 20/60 uncorrected, 20/15 with glasses. Many -2 people go without glasses much of the time because their UCVA is not bad at all. They only wear glasses for driving and movies. If the eyechart you saw did NOT have any line(s) between 20/100 and 20/200 and you saw 20/200 you may very well be 20/150. How close do you hold reading materials? How close do you sit from the computer? (make sure you do this without glasses) I think I hold books around 6 to 8 inches... I normally read in bed, which probably is not best and i just rest my arms and so the book probably is a little closer than I have to have it. I work on a computer 8+ hours a day. I adjust all though out the day from probably 1' to 2' would be my guess, I am normally leaning on my desk for the most part. I have tried not to wear my glasses durning these times. So sometimes I sit alittle closer cause of that. But mainly at the end of the day when I get tired. I see why your vision didnt improve. You put books way, way too close to you. I hold books 10 to 12 inches away and I am a -4. Yes I hold them further than I need so it blurs slightly. Then I do zooming where I bring it a bit closer so text zooms into razor sharp focus then I move it an inch or two back where text becomes a tiny bit blurry. I then leave it 12 inches away and read and I notice the text shimmering into focus, becomming sharper and blacker! If you cant hold books further, consider a pair of reading glasses with the approperate power so you dont have to accomodate. > I see why your vision didnt improve. You put books way, > way too close to you. I hold books 10 to 12 inches away [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it an inch or two back where text becomes a tiny bit > blurry. And I'm sure this improved your reading comprehension? > I then leave it 12 inches away and read and I > notice the text shimmering into focus, becomming sharper > and blacker! This may have been the mushrooms. You did say you were going to try a larger dose next time right? -Quick http://members.aol.com/myopiaprev/improvin.htm I suggest you all read and learn from her experience. I owe her credit for contributating to my vision improvement. > I suggest you all read and learn from her experience. I owe her credit > for contributating to my vision improvement. I suggest you read and learn from something besides anecdotes and your own pseudomyopia. -MT > > I suggest you all read and learn from her experience. I owe her credit > > for contributating to my vision improvement. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -MT Will do thanks. Can I get some other views too on where I should hold a book?? I did a search on here about near work. Didn't really seem like it was that big a deal. But I would like to hear others as well. Thanks aceman. I will look into more. http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.vision/browse_thread/thread/dd6bff8308096 346/6cab138df07e480c#6cab138df07e480c I made a thread on it. do exactly as she did and you too will improve vision. If you do not understand some of her explanations, let me know and ill explain for you. > This is dangerous misinformation. Myopia improves during old age where > the lens stiffens, shrinks and becomes flatter. The cornea may also > bulge less or flatten a bit. They were not overcorrected initially but > when their old age hyperopia took over, their glasses became too > strong. What are you quoting? What is the "dangerous misinformation?" -MT We were joking. Being a "newbie" here was a disadvantage. Sorry. DrG > Thats great! So its possible that my eyes will get better being over > corrected a little? if so how does that happen? It happens whether you're overcorrected, undercorrected, or not corrected. Myopia is partly anatomical and partly functional. The functional component decreases with age, and it may respond sooner with "training" or "exercises" or "special prescriptions". -MT Dear Random, Subject: Getting the refractive state to "move positive" by wearing a strong minus lens. According to LarryDoc, wereing stronger minus gets the "eye" to move positive. But that logic, you should ask to be over-prescribed by -2 diopers (were a -4.25 diopter lens all the time), and your refractive state will move positive at a much faster rate. Random> Thats great! So its possible that my eyes will get better being over corrected a little? if so how does that happen? Well asked the man who suggested it. Best, Otis Dear Friend, Subject: Clearing your vision back to 20/40 -- if you wish. You will see "warnings" about my suggestions, so I will just suggest you read my site: www.myopiafree.com and the recommendations of a second-opinion OD who would help you with this issue. You can contact my on my site if your are interested. I am tired of arguing with these "stone walls". I am not a doctor, but Steve Leung is. Enjoy, Otis You didnt say so! Measuring vision outside in bright light creates a pinhole effect due to constricted pupils so of course you see much better! I thought -2.75 was a little strong for 20/60 but your really more like 20/150. With my old pair of glasses, I saw 20/150 indoors in normal lighting but like 20/50 or 20/60 in broad daylight. I am a -4.25 in the better eye(but vision still improving) and I see 20/400 uncorrected, 20/30 best corrected. Consider natural vision improvement to reduce your myopia. I reduced mine! I have been reading a lot about natural vision improvement. Which is why in the last year I have not wore my glasses that much. I just have read so much stuff saying yes it works and then so much stuff saying it doesn't. I went two months with out touching the things one bit. Doing plaming and swing and saw not improvment and got a little discouraged.. But I think I am ready to give it a go again. Thanks |
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