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LarryDoc - 18 Feb 2006 02:13 GMT

Dear Ace,

Please tell us what kind of computer you are using and we'll be happy to
point you to the little button or switch that turns it off. Clearly,
you've lost the directions, or at least lost *your* direction because
clearly, you are lost.

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otisbrown@pa.net - 18 Feb 2006 03:54 GMT

Dear Larry,

Subject: Posting "warnings" about
an honest second-opinion

Apparently anyone who questions
the traditional minus-lens
quick fix of the last 400 years
(as the second-opinion) has
"wanrings" posted against them.

Isn't that a wee-bit paternalistic.

Don't you believe that SOME
of these people have the ablity
to think and analyize for themselves?

So far "warnings" against the
second opinion have been:

Steve Leung OD
www.chinamyopia.org

AceMan

Otis Brown

Dr. Stirling Colgate

Dr. Francis Young

Dr. Jacob Raphaelson

Dr. William Bates

And virtually anyone who questions
that minus lens.

Do we see a pattern here?

Best,

Otis

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Quick - 18 Feb 2006 04:23 GMT

> Apparently anyone who questions
> the traditional minus-lens
> quick fix of the last 400 years
> (as the second-opinion) has
> "wanrings" posted against them.

A "wanring" sounds serious...

> Don't you believe that SOME
> of these people have the ablity
> to think and analyize for themselves?

The mushrooms wore off for a moment
and Ace had a thought... He thought to
ask you how much you've corrected your
own vision.

> So far "warnings" against the
> second opinion have been:

But, but, I thought these guys were
the second opinion. Now even they
are warning against it? If the second
opinion warns against it does it become
the third opinion?

> Steve Leung OD
> www.chinamyopia.org
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>
> Dr. William Bates

> Do we see a pattern here?

Yes. 2 at the top are not doctors and both
are in an altered state of conciousness most,
if not all, of the time.

By the way, since you haven't noticed, Ace
is now a proponent of "natural" correction
methods that don't use lenses at all.

-Quick

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A Lieberman - 18 Feb 2006 04:44 GMT

> Don't you believe that SOME
> of these people have the ablity
> to think and analyize for themselves?

Not when they get misguided uninformed information from sources like
yourself.

> So far "warnings" against the
> second opinion have been:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Dr. William Bates

Oh Gawd help us all. Otis puts himself in the ranks of the medical
profession. Here he is not in the medical profession and yet he is
surrounded by Drs in the list above.

> Do we see a pattern here?

Yeah, stop giving medical advise Otis. That pattern needs to stop. Can
you read this slowly, and repeat after me.

I will stop posting. I will stop posting.

Crap, I just woke up, guess I will be reading some whimsical posting by you
that Dr Jacob Raphaelson will walk on water, and Dr. Francis Young will
change the polarity of the world, and Dr William Bates is our next Jesus.
Oh yeah, forgot, that Dr Leung is now the God of eyes.

Sheez!

Allen

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MS - 20 Feb 2006 07:56 GMT

The only thing is: replying to trolls like Otis only feeds his need for
attention, and causes him to write more.

It is very tempting though, to want to write and point out how idiotic
someone's post is. I've done it myself.

But probably a better approach is to killfile them, have their posts not
show up in your newsreader, and never to respond to them. Don't give them
the attention they desperately crave.

> > Don't you believe that SOME
> > of these people have the ablity
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>
> Allen

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Dan Abel - 18 Feb 2006 16:16 GMT

> And virtually anyone who questions
> that minus lens.
>
> Do we see a pattern here?

Yes, but I guess we don't all see the same pattern. I see questionable
advice about OrthoK and overnight contact use. I guess your "filter"
doesn't let you see that.

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Dan Abel
dabel@sonic.net
Petaluma, California, USA

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