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Remove the anti reflection coating?

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SimonLW - 25 Jan 2006 15:20 GMT
I have a strong prescription with the greenish reflecting coating. I guess
it is either Ziess or Hoya that is applied to the plastic lens. For some
reason, after time, I get very fine scratches on the back curved side of the
lens near the center. I'm getting new glasses anyway so I wonder if there is
a chemical available I could strip off the damaged coating without affecting
the rest of a lens. I'd consider this an experiment so I won't be too upset
if I damage the lens.

Thanks
-S
gudrun17 - 25 Jan 2006 17:24 GMT
> I have a strong prescription with the greenish reflecting coating. I guess
> it is either Ziess or Hoya that is applied to the plastic lens. For some
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks
> -S

My optician offered to scrape off the anti-reflective coating from my
last pair of glasses so I know it can be done, but I don't know how. I
decided to leave it alone although it annoys me. Are you sure the
scratch is just in the coating, though?
-Gudrun
The Central Scrutinizer - 25 Jan 2006 18:07 GMT
>I know it can be done, but I don't know how.

I asked my opt. about that once - he said that it is a coating that is
bonded to the lens at a molecular level at the time
the lens is created. It can't be removed, can't be replaced (without
wrecking the lens).

For me, putting the words 'scrape' and 'lens' in the same sentence is
just begging for trouble.
Mike Tyner - 25 Jan 2006 18:35 GMT
> I asked my opt. about that once - he said that it is a coating that is
> bonded to the lens at a molecular level at the time
> the lens is created. It can't be removed, can't be replaced (without
> wrecking the lens).

I've seen it done several times. It isn't "scraped" off. It's dissolved off
using glass-etching compound containing hydrofluoric acid.

There's more profit in a new pair of lenses, and so there's little
motivation for retailers to take the trouble.

-MT
Salmon Egg - 25 Jan 2006 19:07 GMT
On 1/25/06 10:07 AM, in article
1138212446.306783.276720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "The Central
Scrutinizer" <bobby_dread@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> I know it can be done, but I don't know how.
>
> I asked my opt. about that once - he said that it is a coating that is
> bonded to the lens at a molecular level at the time
> the lens is created. It can't be removed, can't be replaced (without
> wrecking the lens).

Don't count on the opt., whatever opt. stands for, for knowing much about
coatings. He/she is probably just passing on marketing hype.

> For me, putting the words 'scrape' and 'lens' in the same sentence is
> just begging for trouble.

-- Ferme le Bush
Mark A - 25 Jan 2006 19:23 GMT
> >I know it can be done, but I don't know how.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> For me, putting the words 'scrape' and 'lens' in the same sentence is
> just begging for trouble.

The less expensive kinds of AR coatings can be removed (and are not worth
buying). The AR coatings that sold by the name brand manufacturers (Crizal,
Zeiss, Seiko, etc) usually cannot be removed.
Christopher Zoettl - 26 Jan 2006 09:51 GMT
Mark A schrieb:

>>>I know it can be done, but I don't know how.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> buying). The AR coatings that sold by the name brand manufacturers (Crizal,
> Zeiss, Seiko, etc) usually cannot be removed.

 I agree, by less expensive kinds of AR it is possible to remove. But
the newer (much better and expensive) kinds like Zeiss Lotutec etc.
would ruin the structure of the optical surface.
Salmon Egg - 26 Jan 2006 22:47 GMT
On 1/26/06 1:51 AM, in article dra62e$3k3$1@news1.nefonline.de, "Christopher
Zoettl" <czoettl@kurs.webmasters.de> wrote:

> Mark A schrieb:
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> the newer (much better and expensive) kinds like Zeiss Lotutec etc.
> would ruin the structure of the optical surface.

I went for the Crizal. I was amazed about how well the glasses and the
coating stood up. Nevertheless, at about 18 month the coating went to pot in
a way that reminds me of the One Horse Open Shay.

After searching in vain to find a supplier of hot magnesium fluoride
antireflection coatings, I gave up. I am now using uncoated lenses.

Bill

-- Ferme le Bush
Robert Martellaro - 25 Jan 2006 23:33 GMT
>I have a strong prescription with the greenish reflecting coating. I guess
>it is either Ziess or Hoya that is applied to the plastic lens. For some
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Thanks
>-S

The AR stack (along with the hard coat) can be removed on most materials using
chemicals available to the optical industry.

Years ago I used Armour Etch, a glass etching creme, to remove lens coatings.
Cover both sides for about twenty minutes. Do not use on Poly or glass.

Hope this helps,



Robert Martellaro
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
robopt@execpc.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field."
 - Niels Bohr
SimonLW - 26 Jan 2006 12:21 GMT
>I have a strong prescription with the greenish reflecting coating. I guess
>it is either Ziess or Hoya that is applied to the plastic lens. For some
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks
> -S

Okay, thanks for the feedback. It looks like I should leave the coatings
alone. For now, I spray a little furniture polish on a cloth and wipe over
the area lightly to leave a film of silicone oil. It fills in the fine
scratches and makes the lenses nearly clear again.
John
 
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