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William Stacy - 16 Jan 2006 22:04 GMT
I just found out that burning dvds and cds is not as permanent as I
thought.  Like 2-5 years, max!!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312

I guess it's back to tape backups!
Mark A - 16 Jan 2006 23:04 GMT
>I just found out that burning dvds and cds is not as permanent as I
>thought.  Like 2-5 years, max!!!!
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060110/tc_pcworld/124312
>
> I guess it's back to tape backups!

That story is BS. Magnetic tape is known to have a relatively short life
span before you start getting I/O errors. I have worked with many large IBM
mainframe systems and tape I/O problems are frequent. We always made 2
copies of anything that was critical, and assumed they were worthless after
5 years. If we needed anything longer than 5 years then we copied the old
tape to a new tape.
The Central Scrutinizer - 16 Jan 2006 23:50 GMT
> I guess it's back to tape backups!

Nah.

The resin which makes up the writable surface of most writable disks
may eventually fail through entropy, but I have many which are older
than that and are still readable (I started mucking with CDRs in about
1997, and have many disks written back then which are fine). It will
obviously vary. I agree about the storage environment playing a factor.
Nothing better for cooking a disk than leaving it on a car's dashboard
on a sunny August afternoon.

However, I have encountered one disk I wrote way back in 'the day'
which I could no longer read; for important data, the risk's too great.
For my 35-odd GB of digital photos, I just this past week bought some
'archival' quality DVDRs; the writable surface is apparently a
micro-thin layer of gold. The expected lifespan of media written to
these disks is ***300 YEARS***. I'd call that better than a tape any
day of the week.

Besides - a tape is a 'mechanical' piece of gear - a hardware problem
in the reader could in theory gobble the tape ribbon around a spindle,
stretch it to the point of destruction, snap it entirely, or some such.
Plus, tape archiving being a sequential-access medium would be _far_
too inconvenient for me to use on a regular basis.

If you're concerned, maybe research the gold archive-quality disks. The
company who makes the ones I bought is caled "MAM-A". Their DVDs are
still quite new, but their gold CD-Rs are apparently quite respected. I
feel much better now that I've offloaded my photos onto them. ;-)

Cheers,

BD.
William Stacy - 16 Jan 2006 23:59 GMT
> Nah.
>
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> Plus, tape archiving being a sequential-access medium would be _far_
> too inconvenient for me to use on a regular basis.

True.  I remember seeing those things floating around on the highway...

> If you're concerned, maybe research the gold archive-quality disks. The
> company who makes the ones I bought is caled "MAM-A". Their DVDs are
> still quite new, but their gold CD-Rs are apparently quite respected. I
> feel much better now that I've offloaded my photos onto them. ;-)

Ok now I see the other side you present, plus:

http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub121/sec4.html

So I guess it's a bit of a crap shoot when it comes to backing up
computer data, just maybe not as big a deal as I first thought. (I mean
an audio cd could degrade quite a bit before you'd notice it audibly,
but a computer file?  One little bit or byte off can mess something up).
I'm thinking portable hard drives are the thing of the future anyway due
to their speed.  Or flash if and when they approach the speed of hard
drives...

Sorry to be an alarmist. But I think I'll keep my VHS movies for now
instead of archiving them all to DVD...

w.stacy, o.d.
The Central Scrutinizer - 17 Jan 2006 00:21 GMT
>Sorry to be an alarmist.

Not at all - I'm not alarmed. ;-)

As I say - I've known the 'theory' about this limitation for awhile
now; and for myself, I just weigh the costs and effort associated with
a certain archival method or media, against the 'value' of the content
- in my case, I've re-purchased DVDs of all the movies I like and
tossed their VHS precursors; not all at once, mind you, but over time,
I've whittled down my VHS collection from 50 or 60 to basically zero.
Commercially pressed DVDs are not in the same 'entropy threshold' as
home-burned disks, so I think they'll last a lot longer than 5 years.

Besides - would you _really_ archive a VHS movie to DVD? It'd take
several hours of your valuable time - and for your time, you'd have
poorer video, tape hiss, no chapters (unless you go through the full
authoring process) and no surround audio! While not a priority for
some, for me it makes a whopper difference.

Unless it's a _home_ movie, or something exotic and irreplaceable, I'd
consider the $20 or so you'd pay for the commercial disk of a movie as
far better spent than the time it would take to put it to a burnable
disk.
 
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