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Dr. Leukoma - 24 Dec 2005 17:19 GMT
EOM.

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Neil Brooks - 24 Dec 2005 17:28 GMT
>EOM.
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>DrG
>www.leukoma.com

Well ...

The signal-to-noise ratio has clearly skyrocketed (I'm certainly
playing my part), but ... only because the noise has elevated so much.

I still think there are as many people posting to s.m.v. in search of
medical advice as ever.  It's just easier to lose them in the fog.

You're a good guy, btw, to be taking such good care of the Dry Eye
Zone folks....

Happy Holidays, all!
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William Stacy - 24 Dec 2005 18:39 GMT
>>EOM.
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> Happy Holidays, all!

And to you and yours.  I've put ace in my do not respond list, along
with otis (unless of course they pay me).

w.stacy, o.d.
Dan Abel - 24 Dec 2005 22:37 GMT
> And to you and yours.  I've put ace in my do not respond list, along
> with otis (unless of course they pay me).

Would you really take money from them?

My OD told me a story.  A guy came in, with a one-day disposal contact.  
He had been wearing it for a year.  My OD talked to him, but he wouldn't
listen.  My OD decided that if he was that far out of compliance, maybe
he wouldn't be honest on the witness stand, either.  If he got a corneal
ulcer, he might testify that my OD told him it was OK to wear that lens
for a year.  My OD would present the medical chart as evidence that he
had warned the patient.  The patient would claim that my OD wrote that
chart right before the trial.  No witnesses, one claim against another.  
My OD explained that sometimes juries tend to take the side of the
patient, if it isn't clear.  My OD told the guy he wasn't his patient,
to leave and don't ever come back.  He couldn't afford the guy.

I can't blame him.

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Petaluma, California, USA

William Stacy - 24 Dec 2005 22:49 GMT
> My OD told me a story.  A guy came in, with a one-day disposal contact.  
> He had been wearing it for a year.  My OD talked to him, but he wouldn't
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> I can't blame him.

I think that's an extreme case of a common attitude today.  The reality
is that 1. the guy probably won't get and ulcer (believe it or not I
have a patient who is a pediatric cardiologist who wears 1 days lenses
30 days at a time, the cheapskate). 2. If he does get an ulcer, if the
doc's records are properly date/time stamped, he's pretty immune (plus
if he really thinks something could become an issue, he just has a staff
person, or better yet, the patient himself) witness his advice against
it in the record as well.  3. He may be steering the patient into a
worse situation through abandonment, something he *could* conceivably
get sued for.

Anyway, yes, I would take $50 to fill out a survey, even from otis or
ace. I know they won't sue me and maybe they'd learn something (for a
change). Remember, you get what you pay for, and they ain't been paying
for much around these parts lately...

Anyway, gotta go do some serious celebrating with friends and
relatives...  Merry Christmas to all

w.stacy, o.d.
Dan Abel - 24 Dec 2005 18:43 GMT
> EOM.
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> DrG
> www.leukoma.com

As a poster on another newsgroup always used to say:

"Use the force, Luke!"

Really.

Some newsreaders have filters.  Some have killfiles.  They are the same,
really.  I didn't have this feature for a long time, but I do now.  
Still, almost every newsreader shows the title and author name.  

I don't have rosacea.  I hope I never do.  Nobody I know has it.  I'm
sure that the guy who posts the exact same message here about it is
performing a service.  I don't read it.  

After you have read a couple of postings from someone, it isn't hard to
tell if they have good information, need some information or are ding
dong crackpots.

We subscribe to three newspapers.  I don't read every word.  I don't
know how much a '67 Buick costs, even though the want ads may say.

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Petaluma, California, USA

Neil Brooks - 24 Dec 2005 18:49 GMT
>We subscribe to three newspapers.  I don't read every word.  I don't
>know how much a '67 Buick costs, even though the want ads may say.

Dear Dan,

Twelve grand ... and it looks like a bargain.

http://snipurl.com/l1m8

Happy Holidays!
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otisbrown@pa.net - 24 Dec 2005 19:14 GMT
Dear Prevention minded scientists,

Subject:  Some Christmas presents -- for our philosophy
             discussion of the nature of fundamental scientific truth.

For our group generally:

    "Two things are infinite:  the universe and human stupidity;
and I'm not sure about the universe."

                       Albert Einstein

For those who suggest "conspiricy"  (there is none)

    Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately
explained by stupidity.

                       Hanlon's Razor

For the majority-opinion ODs -- who can not entertain new
concepts in pure science.

    "I know that most men ...  can seldom accept even the
simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them
to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in
explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to
others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the very
fabric of their lives."

                                               Tolstoy

For people who love a fundamental approach to pure science:

    "Atomic Theory and the Description of Nature."

    The task of science is both to extend the range of our
experience and to reduce it to order, and this task presents
various aspects inseparable connected with one another.  Only by
experience itself do we come to recognize those laws which grant
us a comprehensive view of the diversity of phenomena.    As our
knowledge becomes wider, we must even be prepared therefore to
expect alterations in the point-of-view best suited for the
ordering of experience.

                      Niels Bohr

And for Ace, of course.

    "The important thing is to not stop questioning.  Curiosity
has its own reason for existing".

            Albert Einstein

And for everyone -- let use continue to learn together
about the true nature of the fundamental (and dynamic)
eye -- as the second-opinion.

Best,

Otis
Dr. Leukoma - 24 Dec 2005 19:46 GMT
My wish for 2006 if for Otis to take his own advice, listed below.

DrG
www.leukoma.com

> Dear Prevention minded scientists,
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