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Ace told me to take off my myopia glasses while reading

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Spockie - 24 Dec 2005 15:42 GMT
Ace told me to take off my myopia glasses while reading.

You all agree that there is no reason to do that right?
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 24 Dec 2005 16:27 GMT
I am a -4.5 and I take my glasses off to read. Not only is it easier on
the eyes, its much clearer! The pictures show theres a BIG reason!

Without glasses:

http://www.racerocks.com/racerock/firstnations/gazette.jpg

With glasses:

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/6809/newspaper27vx.jpg
Spockie - 24 Dec 2005 21:09 GMT
acemanvx@yahoo.com wrote in news:1135441660.396390.127530
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> I am a -4.5 and I take my glasses off to read. Not only is it easier on
> the eyes, its much clearer! The pictures show theres a BIG reason!
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>
> http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/6809/newspaper27vx.jpg

If you get the second image with glasses, then you might need to get
another eye exam.

It does not appear to be normal.
CatmanX - 25 Dec 2005 06:34 GMT
You really are a f.cking idiot!!!!!

This is just more proof.

dr grant
Dan Abel - 24 Dec 2005 18:25 GMT
> Ace told me to take off my myopia glasses while reading.
>
> You all agree that there is no reason to do that right?

We don't all agree.

Young people with normal but myopic vision don't need to.

It's pretty simple to test.  Just try it.

Back when I had myopia, I could not reasonably read without my myopia
glasses.

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Petaluma, California, USA

otisbrown@pa.net - 24 Dec 2005 19:29 GMT
Dear Spockie,

This depends on your "situation".

If you can read the eye chart at
20/50, (-1.25 diopters) then
I would strongly suggest that
you never use that minus lens
whilst reading.

And, for that matter, keep the
minus off -- unless absolutly
necessary.

Best,

Otis
Spockie - 24 Dec 2005 21:08 GMT
> Otis

What do you do for a living?
William Stacy - 24 Dec 2005 22:37 GMT
>>Otis
>
>  > What do you do for a living?

Curious that he didn't reply.  Otis always replies.

w.stacy, o.d.
otisbrown@pa.net - 25 Dec 2005 05:37 GMT
Dear Spockie,

I am a retired engineer..

Best,

Otis
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 25 Dec 2005 16:22 GMT
.. who goes around giving unlearned advise about myopia.

.. who practices medicine without a license

.. who ignors the current scientific data while clutching relentlessly
to a few outdated studies on chickens and monkeys to support his
"theory"

.. who believes he has a perfect understanding of the blueprints and
design goals of the human eye even though the objective data on the eye
shows it behaves differently.

.. who has a touch of Alzheimers and really should be kept away from
his computer.

.. who believes there is a conspiracy among eye doctors and optical
companies to put "the wretched minus" lenses on the unsuspecting public
so they can hook them for the rest of their lives.  (i guess the
conspiracy must work better in china, japan, singapore)

.. who is rather taken with himself and his own prose.
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 24 Dec 2005 22:19 GMT
"And, for that matter, keep the
minus off -- unless absolutly
necessary."

I wish I could keep the minus off but being -4.5 diopters and having
around -.5(half) diopter astigmastim, my uncorrected vision is just too
poor. I however do take my glasses off and read at 10 inches which is 4
diopters so its very slightly blurry which is the whole point to
improving my vision. This guy however is only a -2.5 so id imagine he
could forgo glasses around the house, for reading and possibily for the
computer too.

"If you can read the eye chart at
20/50, (-1.25 diopters) then
I would strongly suggest that
you never use that minus lens
whilst reading."

Actually, id reccomend you read without the minus lense even if you
have as much as -5 diopters myopia. I am -4.5 and I read just fine from
10 inches without the minus lense. High myopes could either get
bifocals or use their old glasses for reading. -1.25 does correlate to
20/50 for most people, but for some they can see 20/40 or even 20/30
but then they are seeing better than 20/20 with glasses! I have a
friend whos -1.5 in one eye and sees 20/40 uncorrected, 20/15 with
glasses. His other eye is much worse. He does NOT wear glasses full
time, smart guy I tell ya :) He does want lasik in the worse eye but
will leave the 20/40 eye alone, giving him monovision and keeping him
out of reading glasses.

"If you get the second image with glasses, then you might need to get
another eye exam.

It does not appear to be normal."

You will see for yourself when you approach the age of 40. I am younger
but it can happen earlier. Actually, I bet youll see clearer if you
read without glasses. I told some of my myopic friends to read without
glasses and they are amazed how clear and crisp words are! If you like
seeing a little blurry from near and making your eyes worse, thats your
loss. Most myopes take their glasses off to read.
otisbrown@pa.net - 25 Dec 2005 05:36 GMT
Dear Ace,

Subject: You got most of this "right".

>From a long time ago, I knew of medical doctors who were
VERY RELUCTANT to put a minus lens on a kid.

There "intuitive" sense was right on target!

The would attempt to keep the minus OFF the kid -- until
their eye-chart went below 20/40.

It is tragict that they couild not have been more "articulate".
They were right in their "good sense".

The other part of this "equation" is the matter of the
parents and child ACCEPTING the use of the
plus at that delicate stage.  That is the real
difficulty of true prevention.

I indeed when through this with my nephew, Keith,
explaining how difficult "prevention" is.

He had a "minus" prescription at age 13.  (I said
that this was provided in "good faith" but he
had to "trash" the prescription an accept
the "intutive" (now science-based) second-opinion.

But agressively using the plus -- he cleared his vsiion
to always pass all legal visual requirements.

He is now 40 years old, and has children of his
own.  I think he will monitor them for the
"bad" visual habits some children develop.

By doing this, and avoiding that over-prescribed
minus -- I would hope that they learn the
technique of effective prevention.

This is obviously a matter of PERSONAL choice -- and
if done correctly --- the person avoids that stair-case
myopia -- but avoiding that first "step".

As far as I am concerned our "bad habits" get us
slightly into it.  But over-prescribing is what
"kicks" you down that flight of stairs.

It is indeed a difficult "lesson" to learn.

Not all of this is "OD responsibility"  Some
of it is OUR responsibility -- to take
prevention seriously, and if necessary
learn to do it ourselves.

This is truly the "second opinion" -- however
difficult it will be to implement.

Merry Christmas,

Otis

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> "And, for that matter, keep the
> minus off -- unless absolutly
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> seeing a little blurry from near and making your eyes worse, thats your
> loss. Most myopes take their glasses off to read.
Neil Brooks - 25 Dec 2005 05:56 GMT
>I indeed when through this with my nephew, Keith,
>explaining how difficult "prevention" is.

"Anecdotal evidence is a term commonly used to indicate
(pseudo-)scientific evidence based on single episodes ("anecdotes"),
instead of proper and verifiable statistics.

Anecdotal evidence is often used to support an unlikely claim that
cannot withstand scientific proof; in this meaning, it can generally
not be reproduced, and as such it is not accepted as a scientific
proof, but rather as a hallmark of quackery."
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