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prescription glasses for night driving

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alexti - 22 Dec 2005 05:18 GMT
I am trying to find out what are the optimal prescription (or otherwise)
eyeglasses for night driving. The problem is simple: on a dark road you
usually stare in a brightly lit (by headlamps) area in front of your car as
long as you're going straight. But when you start turning into the corner
you have to look in the darkness. That wouldn't be that bad by itself, but
the eyes are already used to relatively bright light of headlights and it
takes them a while to adjust (of course, too long for actually seeing into
the turn). I wonder if some kind of eyeglasses would do better in this
conditions. For example, would lenses with transparency changing inversely
with brightness help? (If such lenses exist)? I've tried to ask this
question to local opticians, they tend to recommend anti-glare coating, but
they can't explain why would it help in these circumstanes. So I've decided
to turn to the usenet wisdom :)

Thanks in advance,
Alex.
Mike Tyner - 22 Dec 2005 05:40 GMT
> long as you're going straight. But when you start turning into the corner
> you have to look in the darkness. That wouldn't be that bad by itself, but
> the eyes are already used to relatively bright light of headlights and it
> takes them a while to adjust (of course, too long for actually seeing into
> the turn).

This is why driving manuals tell you to watch the stripes on the road, and
not dazzle yourself by staring at oncoming headlights.

> I wonder if some kind of eyeglasses would do better in this
> conditions. For example, would lenses with transparency changing inversely
> with brightness help? (If such lenses exist)?

Photochromic lenses have been around for a long time, but with the current
technology the lenses don't change fast enough nor can they darken
selectively in different parts of the lens.

Electrochromic rear-view mirrors do what you describe, but it'll be a while
before the technology can be installed in glasses, and they'll  have to hide
the battery somewhere, and it'll take even longer for the lenses to know how
to darken selectively, dimming the highlights without losing details in
shadow.

-MT
Quick - 22 Dec 2005 05:54 GMT
>> long as you're going straight. But when you start
>> turning into the corner you have to look in the
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> lenses to know how to darken selectively, dimming the
> highlights without losing details in shadow.

Ummm, back up a bit. The area illuminated by headlights
is not "brilliantly" lit. Actually it is more likely less than
adequately lit. reducing that effectiveness is to lessen
the difference between that and unlit areas is probably
not a good idea.  There are cars that swivel the inboard
headlight in the direction of the turn. Buying one of those
might be a better idea.

-Quick
alexti - 23 Dec 2005 02:23 GMT
>> long as you're going straight. But when you start turning into the
>> corner you have to look in the darkness. That wouldn't be that bad by
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> This is why driving manuals tell you to watch the stripes on the road,
> and not dazzle yourself by staring at oncoming headlights.
Just in case it didn't come out clear, I was talking about your own
headlights and contrast betwen the area lit by them and the area remaining
outside of the beams.

>> I wonder if some kind of eyeglasses would do better in this
>> conditions. For example, would lenses with transparency changing
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> current technology the lenses don't change fast enough nor can they
> darken selectively in different parts of the lens.
Don't they react on UV rather than on an amount of visible light?
Mike Tyner - 23 Dec 2005 03:39 GMT
> Just in case it didn't come out clear, I was talking about your own
> headlights and contrast betwen the area lit by them and the area remaining
> outside of the beams.

I was thinking of the headlights themselves, the primary source of glare.
But it hardly matters.

Photochromic lenses work via chemicals that ionize or otherwise change in
response to light. The glass variety responds to visible and UV, while
plastic photochromics require UV.

In order to selectively reduce highlights (to say nothing of amplifying
light in the shadows) the lens must anticipate the line of sight from the
pupil to the highlight source. Without that, you just get generalized
darkening, like the current electrochromic mirrors.

We can only speculate about the technology of the future but any solution
that works as you describe will require an addressable matrix in or on the
lens, capable of darkening in some places without darkening in others.
That's no big problem; a grayscale LCD TV could do that already.

But then it must selectively darken certain areas, so you will also need a
video receiver, perhaps mounted in one temple, and an image-processing
computer in the other, controlling an LCD matrix. The computer and the LCD
must respond quickly enough that the darkening effect can follow head
movements without lag.

When all of that comes together, there's still the problem of where to put
the battery pack.

And none of this does any good for shadows. For that you need amplification.
Get some night vision goggles. If you keep the lenses clean, headlights will
be well beyond exposure range and won't detract so much from shadows.

-MT
Dan Abel - 22 Dec 2005 20:54 GMT
> I am trying to find out what are the optimal prescription (or otherwise)
> eyeglasses for night driving. The problem is simple: on a dark road you
> usually stare in a brightly lit (by headlamps) area in front of your car as
> long as you're going straight. But when you start turning into the corner
> you have to look in the darkness. That wouldn't be that bad by itself, but
> the eyes are already used to relatively bright light of headlights and it

Buy one of those cars that have side lights.  When you flip on the turn
signal, the light on that side comes on also.

The other solution, the one I use, is to not drive at night.  Winter
solstice is past.  That means that it will start staying light later.  
This is a good thing for me.

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Dan Abel
dabel@sonic.net
Petaluma, California, USA

alexti - 23 Dec 2005 02:21 GMT
>> I am trying to find out what are the optimal prescription (or
>> otherwise) eyeglasses for night driving. The problem is simple: on a
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> Buy one of those cars that have side lights.  When you flip on the turn
> signal, the light on that side comes on also.
What are those cars? Not that I'm about to change the car just for that:)
And I imagine you can just install extra lights, but would it be road-
legal? I would think that if you meet another car in left turn you'll be
blinding its driver?

Anyway, it's probably better to post in *.autos.driving.* for some
engineering solutions :)
 
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