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William Stacy - 20 Dec 2005 19:00 GMT
I've used a lot of exec bifocals and trifocals over the years and am
curious about one thing.

Why is it that the seg lines are not as perfect as they used to be?

I mean I remember them calling exec glass bifocals "no jump" because
there was no image displacement at the line, as there was with all other
types that obviously must have prism (base up for flat tops, down for
round ) at the line. But the execs (e-line or Franklins) always had a
crisp, prism free junction at the thinnest point on the "ledge" and that
point was where the two front curves (or 3 in trif) coincided
tangentially. It was always a mystery to me how these surfaces were
generated at the factory.

Now it's even more a mystery.  Plastic execs now almost always have
prism in the seg at the line.  I just checked out a pair that has 1 P.D.
of base down O.U. at the seg, and while the ledge has a minimal ledge
standoff point, it is not zero like the good old days. Sometimes this
prism is so bad I reject the lenses as defective, and sometimes the
optics are even smeared very close to the line, as if the ledge has been
"rolled".

So what gives?  Is the technology lost?  Is there some reason for this
mess?  I still like execs and use them at least 1 or 2x per month.

w.stacy, o.d.  (I think I'll cc this to whoever makes the blanks.  Any
ideas on who makes them?)
Robert Martellaro - 20 Dec 2005 23:44 GMT
>I've used a lot of exec bifocals and trifocals over the years and am
>curious about one thing.
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>w.stacy, o.d.  (I think I'll cc this to whoever makes the blanks.  Any
>ideas on who makes them?)

AO/Sola/Zeiss  and X-CEL make a crown glass and a cr39 Exec.

The base down prism is probably due to "prism thinning" which helps to reduce
the thickness at the top of the lens.

I know what you mean concerning the inconsistent product quality, my only
suggestion is to find a lab that has more experience with this type of lens.

Regards,

Robert Martellaro
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
robopt@execpc.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field."
 - Niels Bohr
William Stacy - 21 Dec 2005 00:48 GMT
>AO/Sola/Zeiss  and X-CEL make a crown glass and a cr39 Exec.
>
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Unfortunately, it's not the kind of prism thinning that I would want,
and rarely order.  Thinning prism is ground into the inside surface at
surfacing time, and affects the entire lens, right?  This is in the seg
only, as I'm getting a prism diopter of jump at the seg line, which I
think has got to have been done at blank casting time because it must be
coming from the front surface. I don't know how much experience the labs
have with this kind of problem, even the good ones that I use. They
don't have much control over the blank manufacturing process. I will try
again with those manufacturers.

Thanks for trying.

w.stacy, o.d.
Robert Martellaro - 21 Dec 2005 17:55 GMT
>Unfortunately, it's not the kind of prism thinning that I would want,
>and rarely order.  Thinning prism is ground into the inside surface at
>surfacing time, and affects the entire lens, right?

Yes.

>This is in the seg
>only, as I'm getting a prism diopter of jump at the seg line, which I
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>w.stacy, o.d.

The problem may be related to the fact that plastic execs are decentered down
and in, and to how the lab and their surfacing software is set up. That's all
that I can add to the subject.  However, here's a discussion concerning execs
here...

http://www.optiboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7981

Most of the folks in this thread are still actively posting and are *extremely*
knowledgable. Feel free to start a new thread or add to this one.

Hope this helps,

Robert Martellaro
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
robopt@execpc.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field."
 - Niels Bohr
CatmanX - 21 Dec 2005 20:09 GMT
What I can't fathom is why anyone would bother with execs. The weight,
the thickness, the ugly line are all total turn-offs. I occasionally
get someone asking for execs because they want a wide reading area.
28mm D-segs get enough for virtually everyone, and rarely we use a 35mm
seg. That said, I have dispensed all of 5 pairs of bifocals this year
and about 1000 sets of multifocals. If you want large reading zone go
for the Ipseo's, SolaOneHD or their ilk.

cheers,

grant
William Stacy - 21 Dec 2005 23:19 GMT
Remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I love them and have
used them hundreds of times over the years.  I have patients who come
from miles away because so many practitioners share your attitude.  A
notable example:  My old high school chemistry teacher drives all the
way across town because I'm the only guy fitting exec trifocals, and he
won't have anything else...

w.stacy, o.d.

> What I can't fathom is why anyone would bother with execs. The weight,
> the thickness, the ugly line are all total turn-offs. I occasionally
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> grant
William Stacy - 21 Dec 2005 23:16 GMT
> The problem may be related to the fact that plastic execs are decentered down
> and in, and to how the lab and their surfacing software is set up. That's all
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> Most of the folks in this thread are still actively posting and are *extremely*
> knowledgable. Feel free to start a new thread or add to this one.

Thanks and yes, that is quite a thread.  I'll go thru it tonight and if
I learn anything apropos to my question, I'll post it.  I'm pretty sure
this has nothing to do with surfacing.  It's like a slab off without the
slab line.  I think they actually tilt the optics when forming the lower
front surface of the blank.  Still don't even know how they manufacture
them...

w.stacy, o.d.
 
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