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Problem with the optometrist.

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Peter Jason - 13 Dec 2005 00:17 GMT
FIRST PROBLEM:
I have strabismus in my left eye which seven operations have assuaged only
slightly.

Accordingly I am resigned to this condition which gives me a lazy left eye
and a head rotation slightly to the left.

How do I quantify this head rotation in degrees?  Now that I require
bifocals (the new borderless type) my optometrist seems incapable of
understanding that the centrepoint of the glasses must account for my head
rotation, and he seems to have no way of measuring this.

How can I speak a language an optometrist can understand, and who should I
speak to at the optometrists?

Are there keywords familar to these people?

SECOND PROBLEM:
People with bifocals understand that to look upwards to read the title of a
book on an upper shelf necessitates the bending of the head backwards to an
ungainly degree to engage the lower part of the glasses.

This is most boring.

Is there such a thing as "tri-focals" which would be the same as bifocals
but with the lower (stronger) lens duplicated in a thin stripe at the very
top of the glasses?

Perhaps snooker players would find these useful too.

My optometrist has never heard of these!

Please help, pecause I have to order a duplicate set of glasses soon.
Regards, Peter
acemanvx@yahoo.com - 13 Dec 2005 01:07 GMT
heh may be time to find another optometrist if you know more than he
does!
Mike Tyner - 13 Dec 2005 01:14 GMT
> How can I speak a language an optometrist can understand, and who should I
> speak to at the optometrists?

I might say to him "Dot the near OC in habitual head position."

This tells him to seat you in your reading position, in the new frame. He'd
mark the spot in your new frame to place the center of the near addition,
then adjust it to a standard decentration used by the optical lab.

> SECOND PROBLEM:
> People with bifocals understand that to look upwards to read the title of
> a book on an upper shelf necessitates the bending of the head backwards to
> an ungainly degree to engage the lower part of the glasses.
>
> This is most boring.

Turn your glasses over. :)

> Is there such a thing as "tri-focals" which would be the same as bifocals
> but with the lower (stronger) lens duplicated in a thin stripe at the very
> top of the glasses?

In the US, these are called "occupational bifocals". There is a limited
number of shapes and powers for the upper segment.

> My optometrist has never heard of these!

It's basic opticianry, but it's outside the experience of many beginners.
Definitions of "optometry" vary. Graduate optometry programs include at
least one course in occupational designs.

-MT
Dan Abel - 13 Dec 2005 02:01 GMT
> SECOND PROBLEM:
> People with bifocals understand that to look upwards to read the title of a
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> but with the lower (stronger) lens duplicated in a thin stripe at the very
> top of the glasses?

> My optometrist has never heard of these!

Perhaps these don't exist because they aren't realistic?  Trifocals are
very common.  I've known many people who wear these.  My father is
totally dependent on them.  However, the top is for the distance, the
middle is for the middle, and the bottom is for near.  That's how most
people see.  

Those who use computers a lot have a different need.

It is very important to match the glasses to what you usually do.  If
you spend several hours a day looking at the upper shelf, you need to
get glasses that work for that.  If you are like most of us, and spend a
few seconds per week doing that, just tilt your head.  YMMV.

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dabel@sonic.net
Petaluma, California, USA

Quick - 13 Dec 2005 03:01 GMT
>> SECOND PROBLEM:
>> People with bifocals understand that to look upwards to
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>
> Those who use computers a lot have a different need.

Actually I was thinking about an inverted bi-focal... (maybe
even tri).

I want tri-focal translating contacts. Great. Fused Kontacts
makes them. Down side is that the center segment can only
be from 1 mm to 1.5 mm tall.  I use the computer a lot and
the field of view through that is a bit narrow vertically. Ideally
I would have liked the top center segment larger and the bottom
segment very narrow since I do infrequent paper reading or
close work.

So... what I was thinking was tri-focal contacts with inverted
tri-focal computer glasses that would optimize all three segments
(or maybe just the bottom two) for computer distance...

I thought it was a tremendous idea but it was a bit too far out
in left field for my OD to seriously consider as a first option. -:)

-Quick
Peter Jason - 13 Dec 2005 02:36 GMT
Thanks for all replies - except the first.
Sibirer - 14 Dec 2005 06:33 GMT
The optician should be able to handle both issues just fine. THis is
assuming that you live in a licensed state where  an optician has to have at
least a very basic concept of optics and fitting issues such as yours.

Mentioning your condition and the fact that you have your head tilted
slightly when reading normally should clue the optician in if they haven't
already noticed from talking to you and watching your head movements. You
can request that the centers be spotted according to habitual head position.

2nd Issue:

You are vaguely describing double D occupational bifocals. THe drawback is
that the separation is between 11 and 14 mm so the distance correction is
pretty tight between the two near segments.

A trifocal with a top near or intermedaite segment is called a quadrafocal.

Material availability for either lens is very limited and some places can't
even get them so check around if this really interests you.

Carl

> FIRST PROBLEM:
> I have strabismus in my left eye which seven operations have assuaged only
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> Please help, pecause I have to order a duplicate set of glasses soon.
> Regards, Peter
 
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