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Medical Forum / General / Vision / December 2005Prescription ski goggles?
I posted about this on a skiing group and got no answers, maybe I will do better here. 1) They make them with an insert put in regular goggles and where the lense of the goggle contains the prescription lense. Any preference for either? I would think the latter would fog, but I went up the ski lift with someone on his second pair and he says it is not a problem. 2) Is an antifog coating useful? 3) Is CR-39 adequate? 4) Seems like a natural for the photo sensitive lenses, but they are pretty expensive. Worthwhile? 5) I can't find these for sale anywhere in Rochester NY. Don't people needing glasses ski? I sure wouldn't want to take a hard fall with glasses on under my goggles! I was just reading about sunsensors on the corning website. They say that in cold weather they can get very dark and might be inappropriate for skiing if shade is encountered. That would pretty much rule them out, right? > I was just reading about sunsensors on the corning website. They say that > in cold weather they can get very dark and might be inappropriate for skiing > if shade is encountered. That would pretty much rule them out, right? I used glass sunsensor sunglasses for skiing (and motorcycling) for many years with no problems. It doesn't get really cold in SoCal, though -- maybe 30 degreesF minimum, and not very far into the morning. They never got dark enough under any circumstances. The plastic ones get considerably less dark, especially inside a car, which makes them a real waste of money. Now I use contacts and yellow goggles. I used sunglasses until I hit a strong crosswind at the bottom of a hill which blew my contacts off center, effectively blinding me. Nothing will help if you ski too close to the snow machine :-(  SignatureCheers, Bev ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Friends help you move. *Real* friends help you move bodies." --A. Walker Sorry, but glass lenses and motorcycling is a really dumb move. You are asking for eye damage, when not if. sorry dr grant > Sorry, but glass lenses and motorcycling is a really dumb move. You are > asking for eye damage, when not if. I did it for perhaps 20 years, and skied for perhaps 5 years. So far, so good. Remember, people used glass lenses for such purposes long before plastic lenses were available. > sorry > > dr grant It is generally considered good form to include at least part of the message to which you are replying. I had to look back to make sure that you were replying to my comment -- which isn't an easy thing in Thunderbird, unfortunately. SignatureCheers, Bev ===================================== "Incontinence hotline, can you hold?" Try reading in a NG, the threads folow on and it is easy to know what you are reading about. I find having to wade though paragraphs of crap to find the message rather annoying. dr grant > Try reading in a NG, the threads folow on and it is easy to know what > you are reading about. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > dr grant Change your ways young man/old man, Granite, lest you become just like Otis. Providing a context for your post by including AT LEAST the originating author, and their detail that you comment on is appreciated by everyone I know with at least half brain and half a social awareness. But other folks choose their own ways. That's one reason for kill files. Reader decides! Chypho. I am a former ski instructor and a high myope. I wore contact lenses as did almost all the ski instructors and patrollers that I knew who needed corrective lenses -- the others simply wore their regular eyeglasses under nonprescription goggles. Contacts don't fog, don't break or get lost when you fall, and give excellent peripheral vision. They also allow you to switch to sunglasses as needed and are cheaper than the prescription goggle solution you are asking about. In short, contacts are the best way to go. If you are unable to wear contacts and don't wish to wear your regular glasses, I'd recommend athletic glasses worn under nonprescription goggles. Goggles that are made to fit over eyeglasses are widely available and usually cost no more than regular goggles. The athletic glasses / goggles combination would probably be cheaper, give better peripheral vision, and leave you with a pair of athletic glasses for other sporting activities. I realize this isn't the answer you are looking for, but there is a reason you are having a hard time finding prescription goggles: very few skiers find them to be a good solution. If you are really determined to go the prescription goggle route, I suggest you try calling independent optical shops and ask if they can special order the goggles you are looking for. Independent shops are usually much better about filling unusual requests than are chain operations. > I am a former ski instructor and a high myope. I wore contact lenses > as did almost all the ski instructors and patrollers that I knew who [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > reason you are having a hard time finding prescription goggles: very > few skiers find them to be a good solution. Excellent advice. I really appreciate this, given some advice I've read here. I have better advice, though. Stop skiing. The best part is the hot cocoa and soup. The second best part is when you stop and come in out of the cold. I'm just kidding here of course. I've been skiing a few times. I enjoyed it. I don't like cold. I don't like snow. I don't like the travel. I'm just too old. I'm way over and done with it. SignatureDan Abel dabel@sonic.net Petaluma, California, USA >> I am a former ski instructor and a high myope. I wore contact lenses >> as did almost all the ski instructors and patrollers that I knew who >> needed corrective lenses -- the others simply wore their regular >> eyeglasses under nonprescription goggles. I tried that for a while, but even with goggles made to be worn over glasses it was miserably uncomfortable. I just wore my sunsensor glasses until I got contacts, at which point I switched to goggles. Much better for keeping the wind out of your eyes and they don't hurt when you fall on them. >> Contacts don't fog, don't break or get lost when you fall, and give >> excellent peripheral vision. They also allow you to switch to [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > enjoyed it. I don't like cold. I don't like snow. I don't like the > travel. I'm just too old. I'm way over and done with it. Ha, I think you're younger than I am. I started skiing when I was around 45 and fell in love with it. I wish I'd learned about it way sooner. Not enough snow up in the mountains. When it hits 2 feet, I'm on my way! How do you feel about dirtriding? More expensive, but generally no snow and not as cold. I just watched 'Dust to Glory' and spent a lot of time wondering how people who need glasses or contacts deal with the dust. SignatureCheers, Bev =================================================================== "If your mechanic claims that he stands behind his brake jobs, keep looking. You want to find one willing to stand in front of them." -- B. Ward > > I'm just kidding here of course. I've been skiing a few times. I > > enjoyed it. I don't like cold. I don't like snow. I don't like the > > travel. I'm just too old. I'm way over and done with it. > Ha, I think you're younger than I am. I started skiing when I was around 45 > and fell in love with it. I wish I'd learned about it way sooner. Not enough > snow up in the mountains. When it hits 2 feet, I'm on my way! I gave it up *way* before 45. My uncle loves to ski. I'm 56, and I'll guess he is around 75. He took me skiing when I was a kid. I skied a few times with my wife. I skied with friends a couple of times when I was younger. Of course I had a sled as a kid. Every kid did. The park was 1/2 block away and we would go after school and go down "sled hill". > How do you feel about dirtriding? More expensive, but generally no snow and Same story. I assume you are talking about motorcycles. I had a couple. A Kawasaki 90 street bike and a Honda 350 dirt bike. That was a *long* time ago. I'm all over that also. Next vehicle I get with two wheels will be a wheelchair. :-) SignatureDan Abel dabel@sonic.net Petaluma, California, USA > I gave it up *way* before 45. My uncle loves to ski. I'm 56, and I'll > guess he is around 75. He took me skiing when I was a kid. I skied a > few times with my wife. I skied with friends a couple of times when I > was younger. Of course I had a sled as a kid. Every kid did. The park > was 1/2 block away and we would go after school and go down "sled hill". I'm a SoCal city girl. We had to drive 50 miles up into the mountains and rent sleds, which were generally unsteerable. >> How do you feel about dirtriding? More expensive, but generally no snow and > > Same story. I assume you are talking about motorcycles. I had a > couple. A Kawasaki 90 street bike and a Honda 350 dirt bike. That was > a *long* time ago. I'm all over that also. Next vehicle I get with two > wheels will be a wheelchair. "I'm all over that." Fie. I may never ride again, but that doesn't mean I don't want to. SignatureCheers, Bev ===================================== "Incontinence hotline, can you hold?" Hi there, >I posted about this on a skiing group and got no answers, maybe I will do >better here. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > either? I would think the latter would fog, but I went up the ski lift > with someone on his second pair and he says it is not a problem. Goggles with the Rx in an insert allows you the option of using contacts with the same pair of goggles. > 2) Is an antifog coating useful? Most are useless gimicks. I have used lenses precoated from a vendor in North Pole Alaska that worked as advertised, but they were very soft and failed within a month due to scratching and discoloring. There is actually an antifog lens available in asia that is not available in the US due to safety issues. It works better than advertised. Hard and very anti-fog; unfortunately, it shatters too easily into razor sharp splinters to be allowed on Americans' faces. > 3) Is CR-39 adequate? Adequate is relative to your personal level of risk as an adult. Polycarbonate is alot safer. > 4) Seems like a natural for the photo sensitive lenses, but they are > pretty expensive. Worthwhile? Transitions is available in CR-39, Polycarbonate, and Trivex. They work very well in skiing situations. Photochromics are crappy when trying to use them when driving. The windshields are designed to block UV. The UV is what makes photochromics darken. Glass PGX lenses also respond to blue light since they are basically orthochromatic in a photography sense. Plastics (Transitions, Sunsensors, etc.) require alot more energy than visible light can deliver. This is somewhat a nature of the beast agreeing with day to day practicality issue. > 5) I can't find these for sale anywhere in Rochester NY. Don't people > needing glasses ski? I sure wouldn't want to take a hard fall with > glasses on under my goggles! Go with CLs and a great pair of non Rx goggles if you can. That gives the best all round performance. Carl > Hi there, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Goggles with the Rx in an insert allows you the option of using contacts > with the same pair of goggles. Correct > > 2) Is an antifog coating useful? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > unfortunately, it shatters too easily into razor sharp splinters to be > allowed on Americans' faces. Most AR coats are hydrophobic these days and will lfog much less. There is nothing available in asia that isn't available in the US > > 3) Is CR-39 adequate? > > Adequate is relative to your personal level of risk as an adult. > Polycarbonate is alot safer. Yes, the CR39 will be under your polycarbonate goggles, so safety is not the issue > > 4) Seems like a natural for the photo sensitive lenses, but they are > > pretty expensive. Worthwhile? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > This is somewhat a nature of the beast agreeing with day to day practicality > issue. Transitions is useless in a clip as the UV is absorbed by the goggle lenses. They simply won't work. > > 5) I can't find these for sale anywhere in Rochester NY. Don't people > > needing glasses ski? I sure wouldn't want to take a hard fall with > > glasses on under my goggles! > > Go with CLs and a great pair of non Rx goggles if you can. That gives the > best all round performance. Order from Oakley on line. You can get goggles that go over your existing glasses, goggles with a clip or get some contacts. There are several options. Talk to your optometrist. dr grant > "Ted" <Ted@ixmil.com> wrote: >> 2) Is an antifog coating useful? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > unfortunately, it shatters too easily into razor sharp splinters to be > allowed on Americans' faces. Put a drop of liquid detergent on the clean lens. Polish it off with toilet paper. Free, and can be done in any restroom on earth. >> 3) Is CR-39 adequate? > > Adequate is relative to your personal level of risk as an adult. > Polycarbonate is alot safer. I once face-planted in my glass glasses. Broke the frame, which I fixed with super-glue. I guess I was lucky. I also face planted in cheap plastic sunglasses which scraped off a lot of skin before they disappeared into the snowbank. Goggles are better. SignatureCheers, Bev =================================================================== "If your mechanic claims that he stands behind his brake jobs, keep looking. You want to find one willing to stand in front of them." -- B. Ward Welcome to sci.cheap.vision. DrG So far, so good. We retired at 40. How about you? See, isn't it annoying when you don't know what I'm answering? SignatureCheers, Bev ===================================== "Incontinence hotline, can you hold?" I have a cousin like that. Ever since I knew him he wanted to retire, even before he got his first job. I don't think he would be offended if you called him "cheap." Well, he did retire early. I keep threatening to retire as well...to do what? I like what I do. Apparently different things annoy us. DrG Indeed. SignatureCheers, Bev ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm pretty sure omnipotent entities don't need middlemen to get their message to the people. |
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